ATS Twins Are Installed!

[JoshWelsh]

Anyone else have these? I love the power, but supposedly the tst and edge ez are not helping me any. I am getting alot of smoke when I take off from a dead stop and the takeoffs are slower than stock. ATS says that I need to add there Accelerator w/ a special program with the Edge Juice. Anyone have any imput on my problem?

 

[RDusch]

Sound like someone wants some more money,,, the twins are going to take a little longer to get moving.

If you're making smoke on take off seems more fuel will just be more smoke.



I felt the same way when i got my twins, took a little while to get used to the new feel.



Rick

 

[mattymac]

Twins are going to be a bit laggier than your stock turbo (if thats what you had on there before the twins) there is really no way around that, except to dump more fuel right off idle, but still you will have more lag than most smaller singles. You may want to look into getting the TST flashed with the twins program if you already havent had it done. You can get the Hot Juice but its probably no diffrent than the TST twins. Also you may want to concider getting a cam, it will help some with spoolup, EGT's, and HP. Another thing to concider if you got the transmission done at the same time the lower stall converter can hurt your spoolup as well.

 

[MikeS1]

Do not believe them that the Accelerator with the the Juice will pump those twins up better than the TST stack this is typical ATS salesmanship BS, I think those guy's work on strait commission but If they talk you into it make sure they will take it all back when it does not work how they claim. Just my opinion, Mike

 

[JoshWelsh]

How much will the TST Twins program help? The lag I am talking about feels like its flooding. If I slowly get into it vs. flooring it I can get off the line equally fast, but by flooring it it start dumping balck smoke out until 1600-1700 rpms. After that its a raped ape. I thinking about adding ATS CP3 pump for the mid and top end. Any thoughts on any of this?

 

[MikeS1]

If you already have the TST than to have it reprogrammed would only be $50.

 

[JoshWelsh]

ATS said on the 03 HO that the TST isn't the greatest like it is on the 04. 5 and newer. Do anyone else agree or disagree?

 

[JoshWelsh]

I thought about maybe changing out my 373 to 411, especially w/ my 35" Toyos. What do you guys think about this?

 

[JoshWelsh]

CAM??? What will this do for me, how much would this cost me, and is it worth the price and the down time?

 

[JStieger]

CAM??? What will this do for me,

Check these threads in relation to single turbo cam performance:



https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132035



https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145131



https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146186



For me it gained about 1. 5 mpg, quicker turbo "spool" by "making" a turbo feel like the next smaller size down, better pull "down low"

how much would this cost me

$1000 or so with price about 50/50 on parts/labor

and is it worth the price and the down time?

Yes!! While it's a mod that's at a first pass hard to justify due to initial cost, once you start driving with it on the roads you do day in and day out, the perma-smile just gets bigger and bigger.



Do a search on the 2nd gen forums and there are tons of posts on cam swaps and subsequent performance/driveability enhancements.



I rank the cam and injectors as the #1 and #2 improvements on my truck, respectively. Turbo, clutch, gauges, etc are all #3. In hindsight, if I could only do one mod it would be the cam. The rest are icing on the cake.



Cam vendors include PDR, Don M, Scheid, DD,...



Is this enough to convince you? :-laf

 

[MikeS1]

ATS said on the 03 HO that the TST isn't the greatest like it is on the 04. 5 and newer. Do anyone else agree or disagree?

Nope they really are not telling you the truth, on the 03 and early 04 HO motors the TST twins program is by far more aggressive than the 04. 5's and up, I have had both programs and can tell you from experience that there is absolutely no comparison. Mike

 

[AK RAM]

ATS said on the 03 HO that the TST isn't the greatest like it is on the 04. 5 and newer. Do anyone else agree or disagree?

Ditto. I disagree. I'm sure TST would tell you that ATS's programmer (rebadged PPE programmer) is junk. See how that works?

 

[Tomeygun]

ATS said on the 03 HO that the TST isn't the greatest like it is on the 04. 5 and newer. Do anyone else agree or disagree?

Amazing, because of statements like that I choose not to use ATS stuff. Its not so bad when they say that TST is not best, but when they follow up with a sales pitch for their product... no thanks



I will say I think programmers are great with the TST on 04. 5, but seem not to be as awesome on 03-04 models.



As for your smoke problem on bottom end, how much? Like 12valve with 370's + "0" plate? --- sometimes the smoke problem is because of poor PSI in the rail due to the CP3 not keeping up...



And oh yeah, concerning a modded CP3, keep in mind alot of them are coming out of the woodwork from various companies, So do some research before you buy

I thought about maybe changing out my 373 to 411, especially w/ my 35" Toyos. What do you guys think about this?

I say add more power first, then after that think if you need the switch

 

[JCleary]

I say add more power first, then after that think if you need the switch

I'll agree with that statement. I wished I had 4. 10's quite a bit until I had the TST. Now I'm happy I have the taller gears. I don't have to shift quite as soon when I'm testing out my trucks acceleration capabilities.

 

[ATSDiesel]

Do not believe them that the Accelerator with the the Juice will pump those twins up better than the TST stack this is typical ATS salesmanship BS, I think those guy's work on strait commission but If they talk you into it make sure they will take it all back when it does not work how they claim. Just my opinion, Mike

MikeS1,



Where do you get off talking about things you HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT!?!?!?!?!



There isn't one person at ATS who is working on commission - never has been either. So speak facts, or don't speak at all! If you have an issue with that, you can certainly call me. My name is Joel - I'll even pay for the call - the number is 800. 949. 6002



So, that being said, as far as the programmers and modules are concerned, the TST does work well. The Xcelerator, which is OUR PROGRAMMING in a PPE box works extremely well. It stacks with other boxes better than most because in our programs, unlike the PPE programs, we do not add timing (among other proprietary features). We have created programs for different trucks by putting them on a dyno and running them for days at a time to get the right program for the situation and the truck. TST has done the same (in fact, they have used the ATS dyno in the past).



So, now that the facts are out there, I invite people to make informed decisions. ATS stacked, or TST stacked, or Edge stacked - they are all good choices.



Joel Richards

ATS Diesel Performance, Inc.

800. 949. 6002

 

[Diesel Power]

fuel

i agree with tomeygun i think its a fuel issue

 

[MikeS1]

MikeS1,



Where do you get off talking about things you HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT!?!?!?!?!



There isn't one person at ATS who is working on commission - never has been either. So speak facts, or don't speak at all! If you have an issue with that, you can certainly call me. My name is Joel - I'll even pay for the call - the number is 800. 949. 6002



So, that being said, as far as the programmers and modules are concerned, the TST does work well. The Xcelerator, which is OUR PROGRAMMING in a PPE box works extremely well. It stacks with other boxes better than most because in our programs, unlike the PPE programs, we do not add timing (among other proprietary features). We have created programs for different trucks by putting them on a dyno and running them for days at a time to get the right program for the situation and the truck. TST has done the same (in fact, they have used the ATS dyno in the past).



So, now that the facts are out there, I invite people to make informed decisions. ATS stacked, or TST stacked, or Edge stacked - they are all good choices.



Joel Richards

ATS Diesel Performance, Inc.

800. 949. 6002

Joel you do not have to pay for the call I am only 1/2 hour from you and would be more than happy to meet and talk trucks, than you can show me how smart you really are. Before you start spouting off at the mouth you should have been truthful with this gentleman instead of throwing him an uneducated sales pitch to buy your product. I admit that I have never tried one of your Accelerators but I have friends who do run them and are not impressed, for ultimate hp and torque they do not even stack up the TST dyno proven not word of mouth. You see Joel here on the TDR people have tried all kinds of things to make there rig's perform better and we learn from practical experience not just from reading a sales flyer, so if you cant take the criticism to bad.



Sorry to hijack your thread Josh

 

[ATSDiesel]

Joel you do not have to pay for the call I am only 1/2 hour from you and would be more than happy to meet and talk trucks, than you can show me how smart you really are. Before you start spouting off at the mouth you should have been truthful with this gentleman instead of throwing him an uneducated sales pitch to buy your product. I admit that I have never tried one of your Accelerators but I have friends who do run them and are not impressed, for ultimate hp and torque they do not even stack up the TST dyno proven not word of mouth. You see Joel here on the TDR people have tried all kinds of things to make there rig's perform better and we learn from practical experience not just from reading a sales flyer, so if you cant take the criticism to bad.



Sorry to hijack your thread Josh

So, you've never tried the Xcelerator, but you have friends who are not impressed - and EVERY SINGLE ONE of your friends has the same opinion about it? Amazing! BTW, not one time have I, or anybody at ATS said anything bad about TST, or anybody else for that matter. Damn, man - WE SELL TST!



So, come on down - I'm there Monday - Friday, 7:30 - 7:00. On your way, see if you can pick up a new Dodge for a test drive - we'll put it on the dyno stock, then with the Xcelerator so I can show you "practical experience" up close and personal - no sales flyer needed.



Bring the criticism, I welcome it - just do all of us a favor - leave the rhetoric at the door!



... and yes, sorry for the hijack Josh.

 

[MikeS1]

So, you've never tried the Xcelerator, but you have friends who are not impressed - and EVERY SINGLE ONE of your friends has the same opinion about it? Amazing! BTW, not one time have I, or anybody at ATS said anything bad about TST, or anybody else for that matter. Damn, man - WE SELL TST!



So, come on down - I'm there Monday - Friday, 7:30 - 7:00. On your way, see if you can pick up a new Dodge for a test drive - we'll put it on the dyno stock, then with the Xcelerator so I can show you "practical experience" up close and personal - no sales flyer needed.



Bring the criticism, I welcome it - just do all of us a favor - leave the rhetoric at the door!



... and yes, sorry for the hijack Josh.

I am not saying that you bad mouthed TST all I am saying is that if you do sell both brands than you should know the differences between the two, I have seen both 1st hand on the dyno early TST program (twins) and your Xcellerator and there is absolutely no comparison on how they fuel down low and how aggressively they fuel, I have never heard of one of your boxes grenading a stock turbo because it is two aggressive, but the TST I know first hand on what it can do to a stock turbo just ask around on this site and you will get tons of feedback on this subject. As for my friends that have your Xcellerator they have the same opinion about it and do not like it, all I am saying is that for what Josh is asking for the TST with the 03 twins program would be a much better choice to get those twins spinning especially if he stacks it with a good pressure box (just my opinion) no criticism just be honest Joel.

 

[michaelRitz]

I would like to know some dyno numbers with the Xcelerator and the Aurora Twins, maybe this truck also has injectors, FASS, intercooler, and anything else to complete the package.



I have an 05 with the NV5600 and want to end up 550-700rwhp, I currently have Edge Hot Juice, Techni-Cooler, aFe Stage 2, straight exhaust



With a SB DD and a FASS (dont know whether to get 95gph or 150gph so it will accomdate the numbers I want to achieve) soon to add to the list.



Maybe you guys can point me in the right direction so I can put a good system together and still keep reliability, but be able to "smoke" the oppoisiton when I want to.



Thanks In Advance for all help and info.