auto transmission

[rrausch]

Clint Cannon, and his wife Ranee are the owners of ATS. They are assisted by Clint's Father-In-Law Ray, who is a retired fluid engineer from Gates, and by Don Ramer.



Call Clint and speak with him if you want to know anything about his integrity. These are good people. 1-800-949-6002





Deleted material that was directly antagonistic toward a different vendor.

Robin

TDR Admin

03/28/03

 

[rrausch]

Let me be more specific...



The owner of DTT was, I believe, the first trans guy to figure out how to get the Cummins massive power to the ground. For that he justly deserves accolades. He knows the stock transmission and he builds a good trans. If you buy a DTT trans you will get a good trans.



I was a supporter of DTT at first, and before I got my ATS Stage IV, I posted on this site urging people to go with DTT. However when I learned how thorough the ATS system was, and how strong the TripleLok TC was I went with ATS.



I'm convinced the ATS Stage IV is a GREAT trans.



Material that was directly antagonistic toward a vendor was deleted.

Robin

TDR Admin

03/28/03

 

[jwilliams3]

I went ATS and I am extremely happy with my decision!



The Triplelok torque converter is second to none.

If you like firm and positive on-time shifts the ATS transmission is for you.



I suggest giving Clint or Don a call at ATS.



--Justin

 

[TDRadmin]

Auto transmission War - NOT

I copied this thread. I then edited out any/all directly antagonistic material toward any vendor.



Without naming names - you know who you are (so does everyone else) - STOP.



I have no patience for another auto transmission war. So, if you post about product, direct experience, technical material - go for it. It could be a great line of discussion.



BUT, if you post what "he said/she said," "history" (you know that stuff that happened a long time ago that isn't anything but gossip and baiting now), cheerleading, or decide to have any other sort of personal attack toward ANY OR ALL transmission vendors, I'll lock this thread down.



Auto transmission discussions are like religion and politics - you can't convert anyone to your side with emotional garbage, and this thread is going down the path of emotional garbage as fast as any other auto transmission or oil thread I've seen.



Robin

TDR Admin

 

[Challenger-II]

Originally posted by Evil Otto

DON'T KNOW ABOUT THERE OTHER TRANS CO. BUT I WOULD GO DTT. THE TECH SUPPORT AND CUSTOMER SERVICE IS EXCELLENT. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS TO TELL BILL WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO WITH THE TRUCK AND HP YOUR TRUCK PUTS OUT. ADD AN EXTRA 200HP BECAUSE YOU WILL GET BORED WITH THE HP YOUR TRUCK WILL PUT OUT AND YOU WILL BE LOOKING FOR MORE.



ED

FROM SOUTH JERSEY

Ed... . where did you get your work done in the NJ area??

 

[pwr2tow]

Originally posted by rrausch

The owner of DTT was, I believe, the first trans guy to figure out how to get the Cummins massive power to the ground. For that he justly deserves accolades

Get your facts straight, bd-power was building transmission parts for the dodge cummins many many years before DTT was even a thought. Fact is DTT came from a guy that worked at bd-power before DTT became a company. EDIT:: as has many other guys that are now running their own performance shops.



Suncoast converters was also building parts long before DTT. I think there was also some more but am not sure so will not make such a statement.



Ron

 

[pwr2tow]

Forgot to add this to my post.



Thank You Robin for being on top of things and keeping this thread headed in the right direction.



Ron

 

[Stefan Kondolay]

Ron,



I agree, factual information leaves little room for mis-understandings. You may find it interesting to note this for your factual file, a company known as Abbotsford Automatic Transmissions, you may want to do a little homework on that with your vendor before you start along these lines. You might not want to guess who the performance builder and the owner of that shop was and who HIS customer was. .



I am sure Steve can fill you in on that. I'm sorry Steve, this is as tactfully as i can say it. I am attempting to give Ron a heads up so we don't have to continue along these lines .

 

[Evil Otto]

Ed... . where did you get your work done in the NJ area?



Challenger-II installed it my self i use to work for a dodge dealer.



Ed form south jersey

 

[pwr2tow]

Yes Stephan I know all about a guys rebuild shop before a certain someone worked for a company and then went out and started his own company. bd-power was a company a long long time before DTT and yes they made transmission parts before DTT became a company.



Stephan since you seem to know so much about most things maybe you could tell me how long bd-power has been a company and how long DTT has been a company? Stephan please make it clear if you are trying to say DTT was the first company or even your dad was the first person to be able to put the power of the cummins engine to the ground through an automatic transmission?



Another thing why did you drag Steve into this conversation? He has nothing to do with this and I have not spoke to Steve since April of 2002, almost a year ago. Why do you and some of your vendors and supporters always try to make me look like I have something to do with bd-power? I assure you I have nothing invested with bd-power, the only thing I have of theirs is now my transmission that I paid my hard earned money for. Why do you, a representative of DTT always have to come on the TDR and make remarks that are open to anyones interpretations?



Ron

 

[Edward]

The following are my personal observations. This may seem off topic at first but I believe it does relate directly to this thread. It seems to me that all transmission topics sooner rather than later end up revolving around just one transmission vendor. In every controversy about transmissions there is one company name that stands out. A person who owns a transmission from vendor “A” and a guy who owns a transmission from company “B” can have a good informative discussion without any strife. Now let company “D” get involved in that discussion and the bickering, put downs and mean natured comments start. I know of one company who doesn’t post any longer and another company who refused to start posting because of the attacks and bickering. This is regrettable for all of us who like to hear different ideas and approaches to modifying our trucks. Yes an idea and approach can be different and not wrong. There is no one company that has all the right answers. There is not just one company that the rest are measured by. What I would like to see is the open exchange of ideas without the strife. Please lets turn this around it will make this forum we are paying for so much more enjoyable.



Edward

 

[csutton7]

Robin--why don't you ecit out the crap torque #'s-1740lbs--talk about misleading and falsehood----it's funny that the truth gets deleted but all lies can stay----I'll say this-everyone likes one of the transmission dealers for their own reason and that's good--I'm just as tired as you are of the transmission wars, but I hate this misinformation bunk that gets tossed out there and then when someone says something about it you guys delete that post-you could have deleted parts of my post but not the whole thing--I'm out... . chris

 

[SLDirks]

Well golly I only have 105,000 miles on my stock transmission. If someone

wants to send me a new transmission Iwill be more than happy to brag about it. LOL I can't even turn on my comp with out it slipping. Dont even have the pump wire hooked up. Maybe I need new injectors. Don't post much here

but it's sure fun reading!

 

[Chipstien]

Originally posted by Edward

The following are my personal observations. This may seem off topic at first but I believe it does relate directly to this thread. It seems to me that all transmission topics sooner rather than later end up revolving around just one transmission vendor. In every controversy about transmissions there is one company name that stands out. A person who owns a transmission from vendor “A” and a guy who owns a transmission from company “B” can have a good informative discussion without any strife. Now let company “D” get involved in that discussion and the bickering, put downs and mean natured comments start. I know of one company who doesn’t post any longer and another company who refused to start posting because of the attacks and bickering. This is regrettable for all of us who like to hear different ideas and approaches to modifying our trucks. Yes an idea and approach can be different and not wrong. There is no one company that has all the right answers. There is not just one company that the rest are measured by. What I would like to see is the open exchange of ideas without the strife. Please lets turn this around it will make this forum we are paying for so much more enjoyable.



Edward

I would say it is completely the opposite. And this thread is a prime example of it. What is the first post that has nothing to do with this thread... . The one that added nothing to the conversation. If company D is the problem then why is it that before company A came along the TDR had few if any transmission wars. Now you find that a transmission thread ALWAYS ends in the same way. We have seen just recently that even a technical discussion ends up going no where.



If you want to know who's best... . just look at the signatures of the fellow members and choose from that. I think you would find that company D has by FAR the biggest following.

 

[banshee]

Robin--why don't you ecit out the crap torque #'s-1740lbs--talk about misleading and falsehood

And you KNOW it's false, huh? Have you ever tested one? They where tested on a test bench. We have torque wrenches here at work that read to 2500 ft lbs, so why can't one of these be used? It's not that hard of an idea.

 

[Magnum Express]

As you can tell by the number of post I have I don't reply often but choose to sit and watch and hopefully learn from what I read. I can learn very little from this post besides there are some very biased individuals out there. The post started out with some good info then turned to ****. I spend my money the best way I know how so if it is OK with everybody out there, please try and stick to the facts and not start wars. One war is one to many.



Jeff



Please do not try to skirt the profanity filters.

Robin

TDR Admin

03/29/03

 

[csutton7]

Banshee--that torque # came from some truck on a dyno that was never even close to being duplicated when a lot of TDR people asked for it--even when they went to May Madness and ran the dyno on their own they couldn't come close, but I guess that was a different truck and setup---'ell they couldn't even duplicate at the original dyno when they tried----it's evident that ATS has a following and so does DTT and Suncoast and Goerend and BD and Dunrite----most of them do what they are asked to do and that's how you get guys bantering for that product----that's fine, but false #'s are misleading and that's not fine---chris

 

[banshee]

That's all fine and dandy, but how do you know that it won't hold that much without testing it yourself? You can't! It's not false until it is proven false... kind of like innocent until proven guilty. A little looking into their claim will easily show that it holds water and is not some number they pulled out of the air. A stock truck makes, what, 500 lb-ft of torque at the flywheel and that torque is held by a stock, single disk TCC at stock line pressures. Multiply the numbers of disks to 3, and voila, you instantly increase the holding power of the TCC 3 times to an impressive 1500 lb-ft of torque at stock line pressures. The other increase in torque holding ability comes from both an increase in disk diamter (which directly relates to a radial disks holding power... I'd be happy to show the formulas if you'd like) and a change in friction material to a compoud that offers a higher coefficient of friction. There inlies a formula for a TCC that can hold the claimed 1740 lb-ft of torque at a stock line pressure setting! Raising the pressures only further raises this number and assists the rest of the transmission. Wrap all of that in a solid CNC machined billet steel cover, add in a CNC machined stator, and you have a bulletproof TC. I can tell you that it HAS held my dyno certified 1189 lb-ft of torque for 26k miles and my dad's dyno certified 1284 lb-ft of torque for over 20k miles. Those two runs were made in front of dozens of people in August at the Scheid Diesel Extravaganza, and the results are posted on the web at http://www.scheiddiesel.com/ and follwing the extravaganza and dyno runs links.

 

[TBrennan]

If you want to know who's best... . just look at the signatures of the fellow members and choose from that. I think you would find that company D has by FAR the biggest following

I have no knowledge of any of these transmission vendors (although I read the threads) but I would say this is not sound logic at all. Shouldn't you be driving a Ford since they have the biggest following they must be the best right?



It always pushes my button when I hear people exclaim majority = better.



Again, I have no idea who makes the best transmission, just don't like this logic.

 

[csutton7]

banshee--we don't know if it can or can't---and that's the bottom line---it hasn't been proven it can nor has it been proven it can't----so you still say it can because of the math 500 x 3==1500---1740 lbs of torque is from an 800hp truck and there aren't but a couple of these trucks around and I don't think ATS has one--yes this is at the wheels and that's what we always refer to when it comes to the HP and torque #'s---not sure just because you add more clutches and make them bigger that in the real world it will hold--mathematically many things are proven, but when put ot the test they fail---again you can't make claims that aren't proven and can't be duplicated-that's the just of my statement, it doesn't matter who it is---chris