Banning Pit Bulls

[EMDDIESEL]

Anybody see this new ban idea, Pit Bulls, it was all over the news tonight. They are even considering banning them from the US alltogether. All because ignorant people train them to kill and now they all have to go? i have friends who have Pit Bulls that are less aggressive then some Labs i know. Anybody else have a take on this?.



This thread was started 07-19-2001, 01:31 AM,

 

[Koa Man]

A pitbull I had for 13 years (had to put her to sleep due to old age), was one of the gentlest dogs I ever owned, and I've had at least 12 different dogs over the years. My kids and others 3 or 4 years old would play with her with no problems, she just didn't like other animals and would attack any that came into the fenced yard. (mostly cats). I currently have a 5 year old pitbull/Doberman mix and she plays a little rough, but will not bite.

Pitbulls can be a very good family pet, it is all in the upbringing.

 

[swamp rat]

The only thing that should be banned IMNSHO is stupid people. It is a shame more stupid folks can't help the rest of us by nominating themselves for a Darwin Award by eliminating themselves from the Gene Pool. I don't necessarily care to own a Pit Bull, but in no way would I attempt to prevent any halfway "intelligent and responisible" dog lover from keeping one.



I am a target for the same folks who wish to ban other breeds, with my wolf dog crosses that I keep. Heck, I've got a 10lb. Shih Tzsu (sp) that is more viscious than any of the 12 wolf dogs here. As a matter of fact she rules the roost with the 100pounders. They all walk lightly around her.





Large dogs(any breed)+small children+no adult supervision= trouble



Does this look like a bloodthirsty killer to you?



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[Fireman]

Ban dog owners

The problem with dogs are usually their owners. I don't think the breed matters as much as the way they are handled or cared for. I live in what used to be a rural area, when the area started developing we began having dog problems. City folks started moving in and thought that could turn their dogs loose because they lived in the country. The long and short of it is that in 5 yrs. we've had numerous attacks on people resulting in no fewer than a half dozen dog bites, even more livestock attacked and killed, and a lot of property damage. Now the sad part 3 dogs shot in self defence and in defence of livestock. So far the owners of these dogs have said nothing, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THEIR DOGS ! They are the ones who should be shot! I love dogs and it really makes me angry that I have to destroy one because of irresponsable owners I have 4 dogs that are not allowed to run at large, and Ihave tried to train them to the extent that they are not a danger to anyone or themselves.



The thing that really steams me is the problem continues. These arrogant %#@**s get more dogs and still don't take care of them. If you mention to them that their dogs are a causing a problem they get mad and start making threats.



Sorry for the long sad story, but I just had to vent a little.



Fireman



PS Swamp Rat, you've got a couple of beautiful dogs. Take care of them.

 

[DieselDoghouse]

Pit Bulls

My experience I think fits the trend: I know many, many wonderful pit bulls (or Staffordshire Terriers). I know of many more bite cases from Dachsunds, Maltese, Schipperke, Bichon Frise—not to malign these dogs—but when THESE happen, people are embarassed to divulge it, so the 'news' statistics get distorted. People with any of the listed dogs risk losing home insurance, although I understand this is being challenged in some states sucessfully , and some com-panies like Amica and State Farm want a case-by-case assessment. "Dangerous Dogs" share something with "Dangerous SUV's" its the piece of hardware that attaches to the loop on the leash or the edge of the steering wheel. But then, we live in an age of 'Convenience Law'-ban the dogs, ban the cars, ban cell phones—rather than reprimand the irresponsible way they may be used . Its been suggested we need a new license category for SUV owners, perhaps we need to recognize obedience certification to get these dogs off the hook?? Soap box is available now...

 

[swamp rat]

Thanks Fireman. I appreciate those kind words. I'm sad to say that the big boy lying the little black guy is no longer with us. He lived a long and happy life. One year ago this week, he started losing weight and refused to eat. We force fed him for several weeks to no avail. After tons of tests, the Vet said she could do no more for him. We had to let him go. His lil pal Max (not so little anymore) has moved into the big house.



This is my Wifes second fav of our pack behind Smokey of course:



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Smokey will always and forevermore be Alpha in our hearts.



http://members.aol.com/wolfhybrid/smokey.htm



DD, you are right on the money. Some of the last real stats I recall seeing, had none other than the lovable Cocker Spaniel as the number one biter. That was a few years ago, but not that many.



Cockers are prone to be fear biters as much as anything from what I recall. They are a rather hyper breed anyway, that coupled with their presumed inferiority complex to people and other animals tends to get them in that fear-bite mode rather easily.

 

[RottnDogue]

Breeding a dog by breed is as Dumb as you can get

I am with Swamp Rat Ban the Stupid people. There goes our Government at work again. Trying to regulate you tell you what you can and can't do. What you can and can't have..... Land of the Free Home of the Liberal A**Hole we let make our laws.



Darren - Still not a Liberal

 

[Champane Flight]

Ban stupidity!

I have had several dogs in my lifetime and found that most of the time a dog will bite is in selfdefense,teaseing,or when hurting. You can train a dog to be agressive,but this goes for any breed. I once had a neighbor who had a big ole German shepard,One day he was standing on his back legs,with his front on the fence. Just wagging his tail. I went over to him and started petting him. He just ate it up. His owner cameout the backdoor yelling,back off he will bite you!I never had a problem with him. There are several factors in a dog bite one is showing fear to a already skittish or agressive animal. I did get bit once by a Saint Bernard,He had been in the back of a pickup for a long time and his owner took me out to meet him. He just bumped my face and I didn't really feel the bite. His owner went crazy to the point of me saying"Its OK,hes been in the back of the pickup to long,Take him home and let him run a little". I knew the animal was not at fault,his owner was!



My two boys are not vicious,but do protect the backyard,and garage with great vigor. If I was a criminal I would think twice before I jumped the fence. And of course they are my buds.



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[Fireman]

Well put Diesel Doghouse.

Swamp Rat, Sorry to hear about the big
fella, leaves a big hole in your heart
don't it ?

Fireman

 

[illflem]

Like everyone has said, it's the owner, not the dog. I owned a pit bull once, it was as gentle as can be, but not real smart. A problem with pit bulls is that they have a bred in trait so when they bite they lock on and shake, won't let go for nothing, causes much more damage. Should they be banned for this? NO.

 

[Bigsaint]

I Agree

I had a friend that owned a local gun shop, my oldest daughter, who was then 2, loved to play with his two PitBulls. They were great and as friendly as any other dog I've seen. As stated above, it's just like children, they are what you teach them to be.



Scott W.

 

[The patriot]

I agree with all said.

The only breed I have any reservations about is a Fila Brasierio.

I spoke to breeders of this type of dog. They said that they wouldnt just sell one to anybody.

I was told "these dogs MUST be brought out to interact with humans daily, or youre BUILDING A TIME BOMB!"

I still wouldnt fault the animal. If this is the price to pay for getting the breed you want, live up to it!!

Eric

 

[Doc Tinker]

I'd hate to have one of my dogs kidnapped for use as "excitement" in a pit fight. I suggest we feed the guys that organize pit fights to the dogs, not ban the dogs.



I'm opposed to banning any animal. Especially pitcats. You know... The ones you tie the tails together and throw over the clothes line.



Doc

 

[NVR FNSH]

Bay Area Pit Bull website - pretty good info.



http://www.badrap.org/rescue/index.cfm



Brian

 

[HEMI®Dart]

A guy at work was telling me that he knew a guy (inner city) that rasied Pit Bulls to fight. He said he used to feed them Raw Meat & Gunpowder . Its not the dogs fault he's aggressive now. Idiots like this give the breed a bad name. He should be in prision.



GREAT pet pictures are in this thread too.

 

[HEMI®Dart]

Any Pit Bull owners?

My nephew adopted a pit bull about 2 years old. It took some time before he liked me, but now he's a good dog.



My question:



Sometimes he sounds like he choking or coughing. It lasts about 10 seconds. It happens out of the blue. My old dog I had years ago never did this.



Is this something that happens to just the Pitbull breed?

 

[Ol'TrailDog]

Okay... YOU asked for my take on this (in the first post). So, I guess I'll give it even though it disagrees with most.



Some breeds of dogs are bred with a specific purpose, or for particular traits. For example, Border Collies, Australian shepherds, Blue heelers, and many others are bred for their ability to work stock. Even within these breds there are different traits that are "hard wired". Border Collies are headers, i. e. the go for the head-throat area. Whereas heelers and Aussies go for the heels. Sure you can train a Border Collie to drive, but it takes training and is not their natural or hard wired instinct.



The same breeding philosophy applies to the spectrum of bird dogs. From retrievers, to pointers, to labs, to spaniels, and so forth they all are hard wired bird dogs. The abilities and behavior varies by breed, but it is a hard wired or instinctual behavior.



Well... the same principle applies to fighting dogs. They are bred to fight and kill other dogs, or even people. They were bred for that specific ability. Some may be better at it than others, just like there is variation in Border Collies, but it is in their genetic heritage.



When I was in Lyndon, WA two weeks ago to see my newest grand daughter my Son-in-law's dad asked me what I thought about my daughter's pit bull. I said, "Well, since you asked, I'll give my opinion. " And I didn't let an opportunity for another "Pa lecture" slide. Basically, I said get rid of the dog because you are playing Russian roulette with you child. And secondarily, if not with the child, with your property because, you see those young kids walking home from school over there? Well, just imagine that one of these days your dog goes over to say hi, and the kid runs, and the dog reacts to a running kid, and ..... you get sued, and there goes your $400K house and property, pfffffftttt. Aint worth it, get rid of the dog. Don't get a Border Collie or any other stock dog because they are NOT family pets. Don't get a guard dog because in this little berg you don't need a guard dog. Get a family pet dog, say a Golden Retriever, a former bird dog that has all the "bird" bred out and a lot of lov'n bred in.



Sure, I'll grant socialization and upbring can play a part. I had a large Doberman for 13 years. He was raised in the back country and absolutely loved people. But he also inadvertantly intimidated people. Intimidated people can react to aggressive breeds in ways that could trigger an unwanted results.



Bottomline, unless you plan on fighting pit bulls, round them all up and... ... well, I guess I don't want to PO more of you than I already have. :-laf



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[scootergmc]

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[The patriot]

I was attacked by a PB last summer.

I was walking my dog in the street, leashed, and out of nowhere I was thrown off my bicycle, and the dog was ontop of my puppy.

After I realised I wasnt hit by a car, I started trying to get the PB off my dog. I couldnt get hold of his collar (he had no leash) so I started kicking the cr@& out of it. I was suprised his privates werent coming out of his ears... . I was a whalin on that dog.

The owner wasnt as smart as his dog. All he did was say" stop kicking my dog" I told him to get his dog off mine or he's next. "(cleaned up version) He moved with no urgency, like he was heading for a beer at a picnic. White trash mother ****** I really wanted him next!!! The dog finally lost intrest.

Long story short is, the cops didnt come out (weekend, no dog catcher. ) When the dog catcher made it to their house, she was attacked TWICE in front of the dogs owner, the owner did NOTHING!!! She told me if there was an armed officer there with her that dog would have been dead. Too bad.

The guy had no license, he got a ticket for that.

We were sent to a marrige counselor for neighbors. I live 1/2 mile from this ******* !!!

After all this I finally got an apology. That's all I ever wanted. Oh, and maybe "could I pay for your dogs emergency bill". WTF!!!

This dog is WELL KNOWN. I know people who work for the town and they wont go there to do annual trash pickup, etc because of this dog.

I cant say it's the dogs fault, but I wouldnt mind seeing both the dog and his owner gone in this case.

My dog lived. I dont know how she wasnt messed up.

Eric

 

[jwilliams3]

There was a guy bit yesterday 2 towns over by a pit bull...

He was leading a church youth group in a small town square.