Blown-Siezed???? SPS What to do?????

[Money Maker]

I don't think it was leaking after all. There are no holes in it. I just couldn't imagine at the time that the turbo was failing. It failed as a result of the bearing locking up, pretty sure anyway. I am taking it off right now.

 

[LOtero]

I had the same thing happen to me, i was just driving home from colorado, dont know why but the bearing failed. I I took real good care of me though.

 

[pwerwagn]

Jeff, its not just phat shafts the failures are not brand specific since they are using the same borg warner parts then any of the above you mention are just as likely to fail.

It's kind of like FASS issue you hear alot of issues but they also probably have the most aftermarket systems out there. . Just like II probably has the most aftermarket turbo's out there at this point (relatively speaking).

youre prolly right Justin. I was just wondering if II is doing something diff with the cartridge that HTT and other guys arent, and thats the problem. It seems like the SPS's are failing under more "normal" useage, and the HTT's and others tend to fail under extreme use. I dunno. Maybe it is the fact that there are more of them.

Its kinda odd that there are 2 local guys here with HTT's, 2local guys here with SPS's, and 2 or 3 here with B-1's, and none of the HTT's or B-1's have had any problems, and BOTH of the SPS's have failed!!!! Pretty strange.

Probably just a coincidence though.



--Jeff

 

[Money Maker]

Got it off and as you may already have guessed the exhaust side was in no better condition. In fact all the blade tips were bent and one tip had broken off. Quite a bit of the blades on both sides have been ground away and both are very sloppy.



I called Brady and have since overnighted it to him. Wished I had gotten a pic of it but didn't remeber until I had it wrapped up and I had no time to spare in getting it to UPS.





I cut open my full flow amsoil filter and found some very small pieces of metal in the bottom. Oil also has a metalic look to it so I guess more metal got injected than I had hoped. I am going to drain the oil and drop the pan to clean eveything out as much as possible before I try to fire it back up.



The oil pump does pump the oil through the filters before it goes through the motor and not the other way around right??? If that is true maybe I won't have to many bits of metal flowing throughout the motor.

 

[jwilliams3]

The oil pump does pump the oil through the filters before it goes through the motor and not the other way around right??? .

Thats right.

 

[JasonCzerak]

Got it off and as you may already have guessed the exhaust side was in no better condition. In fact all the blade tips were bent and one tip had broken off. Quite a bit of the blades on both sides have been ground away and both are very sloppy.

I called Brady and have since overnighted it to him. Wished I had gotten a pic of it but didn't remeber until I had it wrapped up and I had no time to spare in getting it to UPS.


I cut open my full flow amsoil filter and found some very small pieces of metal in the bottom. Oil also has a metalic look to it so I guess more metal got injected than I had hoped. I am going to drain the oil and drop the pan to clean eveything out as much as possible before I try to fire it back up.

The oil pump does pump the oil through the filters before it goes through the motor and not the other way around right??? If that is true maybe I won't have to many bits of metal flowing throughout the motor.

Yes, the pump first pushes though the filters then into the motor.

I bet that metal in the oil pan is metal from the barrings and shaft. The impeller metal had to have gone though the motor. If you have the impeller blades ground down, I would expect them to be small enough to pass though? maybe? Short of a motor tear down, anything you can find pass the grid heaters is going to have to pass.

This does suck to hear, I was thinking of getting an sps64/14(or maybe 12). I think I may look more at HTT now.

 

[Cattletrkr]

I'm sure they have, but I haven't heard of the Super B's doing this.

 

[daytripper63]

I'm sure they have, but I haven't heard of the Super B's doing this.

No problems with my Super B Special

 

[TCDiesel]

The stock running oil temp 250/280. Modded trucks will easily hit 320 plus, than used 320 plus to cool a bearing that may see temps 1000 plus ,this may Help post # 9. https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133104

 

[donnier]

The more I read about problems with y all changing turbos makes me think Im going to leave mine stock and avoid the hassle.

 

[pwerwagn]

Nah, dont get scared off. There are many many turbos out there that are reliable, in fact many are more reliable than the stocker are. I think this is just a fluke.

Usually S300's are fairly bulletproof. Thats one of the reasons some upgrade from the holset to begin with. thats the reason Im gonna upgrade from my 35/40 hybrid to a HTT.



--Jeff

 

[lmills]

I can honestly say I have never had an HTT unit fail that I have sold.

 

[Jim Fulmer]

Why is it that you guys are having issues and I'm still running the very same turbo for 2 1/2 years with no issues what so ever, heck Sat I hit 65 psi with it on the dyno!



Jim

 

[LOtero]

i think all this is is the 20 or so people who have been unlucky enough to experience a turbo failure are speaking up, the thousands who are all smiles are out there. i have had the failure and am now really happy with my SPS... kind of a squeaky wheel thing goin on here.

 

[pwerwagn]

I agree, I think its a fluke as well. Seems like you always hear the bad more than the good...

Take my dodgezilla for instance. Way overfueled, and everyone says they are prone to explosion. Ive ran it at 50psi, gotten it waaay hot, and its still kickin.

 

[betterthanstock]

I agree, I think its a fluke as well. Seems like you always hear the bad more than the good...

Take my dodgezilla for instance. Way overfueled, and everyone says they are prone to explosion. Ive ran it at 50psi, gotten it waaay hot, and its still kickin.

Is this the "phat shaft?" Is it fatter than other turbo shafts? That may be ironically why it fails. See this engineering paper on turbo design.



http://www.rodyn-inc.com/ISCORMA3_Gunter&Chen_TurbochargerVer2.pdf

 

[LeeJ]

Use hot water and cascade dish washer soap it wont foam and will break up the oil

 

[LeeJ]

Oh crap! my bad wrong page to post sorry

 

[tobaccogrower]

fluttering sps62

i've been hearing this fluttering noise coming from i think is my turbo. it happens when the boost starts to build and continues till i let off the pedal. i can really hear it in the exhaust noise when i drive by a wall or close building. any of you that have had a sps 62 blow ever hear any sounds like what i'm describing? i've been thinking about putting the stocker back on and sending mine back to be checked out and updated to spool faster with the G56. there is no end play or side to side on the turbo... . james

 

[pwerwagn]

Is this the "phat shaft?" Is it fatter than other turbo shafts? That may be ironically why it fails. See this engineering paper on turbo design.

no, its a holset design. Has a purty small shaft. .



--Jeff