Blown-Siezed???? SPS What to do?????

[BJMarshall]

Truck went 208,000 miles without a single failure. It hasn't gone 10,000 without a failure since putting aftermarket parts on it. I was assured that my modest performance upgrades wouldn't be any less relaible. I bought into it, reliablility has suffered as a result. I am not bitter, wouldn't do it again if I could choose to go down that path though.



I could careless what you think I need to do. You have no idea what I am doing so for your to suggest alternatives is ridiculous. If you can't stand name calling you should invest in some thicker skin.

You apparently have no idea what you are doing either :-laf

You think I need some thicker skin? You're the one that got all up in the air because I offered a different point of view. You were the one that stated you had towed more than 30,000lbs over 2000 miles. That puts your gross weight at close to 40k. Your transmission puked its guts and you wonder why. How idiotic. I'm surprised your builder would warranty it at all. I bet you never told them you were doubling the gvwr of the truck and adding a couple hundred horsepower.



GButia,

No need to be hot, I was just offering a different point of view. I wasn't defending II, just looking at it through their eyes.

 

[jwilliams3]

I am sure II is following this thread, I am surprised they havent got involved and tried to smooth things out or at least find a middle ground with you (MoneyMaker) because it would probably be in their best interest as a performance shop.

Maybe offer you a rebuilt center cartridge or a new charger at cost or something like that... .

 

[2broke2smoke]

As far as that goes, I have never bought anything from II, but they seem to be a reputable, knowledgeable vendor.

????



you've never bought anything from them but they seem reputable?



good arguement



i agree with jwilliams3 that it would be to II advantage on here to post and maybe shed a little light on this from their point of view ...

 

[jjdiesel]

????



you've never bought anything from them but they seem reputable?



good arguement



Can we feel that a vendor 'seems' reputable based on a lot of good comments by guys on this forum... even though we ourselves have not yet bought from said vendor? I think that seems reasonable. FWIW

 

[BJMarshall]

????



you've never bought anything from them but they seem reputable?



good arguement



i agree with jwilliams3 that it would be to II advantage on here to post and maybe shed a little light on this from their point of view ...

That's what I come here for. I did say they seem not that they are reputable. Based on what I have read here there are a lot of vendors that seem reputable and there are some that don't and most of them I haven't bought anything from.

 

[AMassaro]

This isn't helping anyone with anything...

 

[BJMarshall]

I agree. Never meant to start a mess. Didn't plan on getting called a retard either.

 

[JJPage]

Last fall I had a failure on my SPS62 with less than 1000k on it. The thrust bushing on the compressor side went Kaput!



Brady could not explain the failure, thought maybe my intake was obstructed or restricted. Oil analysis was good, everything appeared to be in order. I had towed my 5vr to Helena and back, the rest of the miles were running around town empty.



Brady sent me a new Silver62 for a replacement, I did have to pay a $200. 00 dollar upgrade fee, but I was totally cool with that.



I had first contacted them on a Monday morning, by the time I returned home on Thursday (working out of town) my replacement was at my house. He sent this to me before he received the failed turbo.



The folks at II treated me with respect, I was completely satisfied, and I would strongly recommend them. I am sorry for the people that are having problems, we have all been there over something or other! Hope it works out.



Jess

 

[Money Maker]

You apparently have no idea what you are doing either :-laf

You think I need some thicker skin? You're the one that got all up in the air because I offered a different point of view. You were the one that stated you had towed more than 30,000lbs over 2000 miles. That puts your gross weight at close to 40k. Your transmission puked its guts and you wonder why. How idiotic. I'm surprised your builder would warranty it at all. I bet you never told them you were doubling the gvwr of the truck and adding a couple hundred horsepower.



GButia,

No need to be hot, I was just offering a different point of view. I wasn't defending II, just looking at it through their eyes.

Your an idiot. Where are you pulling these numbers from? How do you think you could possibly know what I am doing when you can't get one # right



My trailer is 21k my truck is about 9k that makes 30K. I am not the only auto transporter out there. I now have 240K miles on my truck, all towing. Where did you get that I have only done this for 2k? Yet you seem to think you know what I am doing. Edge claims 100 hp increase on level 5. Most I ever used was 4, they claim 80 hp at that level. But again you spout off with a drastically different # of 200 hp Your a moron.



If you want to agrue you should get your facts right.

 

[Money Maker]

I agree. Never meant to start a mess. Didn't plan on getting called a retard either.

You didn't think I was going to sit back while you made me out to be a liar did you? I think you either enjoy this or your trying to get all warm and fuzzy with II

 

[Money Maker]

This isn't helping anyone with anything...

I agree.

 

[JWashburn]

Given the rate of eating NV5600s maybe the long term solution would be a medium duty truck. A 2004 F650 with a Cat engine (40K miles) sold at a local auction a couple of weeks ago for $35K. I suspect that the life cycle costs of a medium duty truck would be lower, especially considering downtime.

 

[Money Maker]

Good point however, this thread isn't about trannies.



Which btw the transmission builder does know what I do with this truck and knows how much it weighs when loaded. It would be hard to conceal that when the GCVW is posted on the doors. He also knows about my edge. He continues to belive that the parts he is using are defective and doesn't blame anything else. I have spoken with other shops that say either he doesn't know what he is doing or my ugrades are pushing to much torque through the transmission for extended periods of time while climbing mountains.



I only keep going back to this guy because he is still covering the transmission under his warranty. I have turned the Edge off because I am tired of my truck being down. If the transmission lasts then I blame the edge if it doesn't I get it repaired by someone else.



Btw I just changed out the factory ujoints last week. That means if they lasted this long than the loads I am pulling can't be that far out of the design spec.



Reguardless this thread is about a faulty turbo and the lack of a warranty.

 

[BJMarshall]

Update...

I have now driven about 2k miles with a 30K+ load, since I discovered the above mentioned problem. I still have a ways to go but a new development has occured along the way. At idle I now have a random blue/grey smoke coming from the tailpipe, also when this is occuring there is usually a bit of a rough idle. I assume this to be a "miss" and figure it has to be an injector.

ANYONE..... ANYONE... .

I'd just like someone to second that.



Thanks,

You wrote it. 30K+ load

 

[Money Maker]

You wrote it. 30K+ load

Your right I did write that back in November. It was about a completely different problem that I has since been cured (I think) with the use of fuel conditioner.



You seem to be making an effort to discredit me.



Here is a link to the thread you are quoting me from:

https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169444



The word load is not specific to type, that is why the DOT invented GVW, GCVW, GVWR. For you to begin your argument against me with your interpretation of "load" was your mistake, not mine.



I am getting bored with you and your petty reasons for continuing to post in this thread with nothing of value. Except that is for your desire to defend a company that you claim to have never done business with.

 

[JWashburn]

It sounds like you haven't operated the turbo beyond its advertised design parameters. II says that you have. The problem is that you know your operating practices, and II has the turbo which has been rebuilt. So the evidence has been destroyed.

One possible approach would be to try to show a design/manufacturing/marketing flaw. Some useful data might be a poll on the board of SPS 62 owners or former owners to determine failure rates and/or operating life. Or maybe a poll of SPS 62 failures and info regarding those failures. I'm sure II would be interested in the results either way, and TDR members would, too.

The SPS is sold as a performance turbo, if its not as advertised then somebody needs to find out why. Perhaps there is a balance problem which wears the thing out in short order. Without data nobody knows.

 

[Money Maker]

Sounds like a logical next step. If someone wants to start a poll I'll be sure to vote. I have a truck to put back together right now and need to schedule pickups and deliveries so I do not have the time to construct such a poll at this time.



I'll have time next week and can do it then if it hasn't already been done.

 

[AMassaro]

OUCH!... . Someone calls me a liberal democrat and we're throwing hands... fighting words for sure... :-laf