Blown-Siezed???? SPS What to do?????

[HighRanger]

Gee, I installed mine right after changing the oil in my truck and installed the ats manifold and now I am burning oil... truck is smoking its tail off.

 

[Money Maker]

i've been hearing this fluttering noise coming from i think is my turbo. it happens when the boost starts to build and continues till i let off the pedal. i can really hear it in the exhaust noise when i drive by a wall or close building. any of you that have had a sps 62 blow ever hear any sounds like what i'm describing? i've been thinking about putting the stocker back on and sending mine back to be checked out and updated to spool faster with the G56. there is no end play or side to side on the turbo... . james

Sounds kinda like what mine did. Took about 800 miles before it went boom.

 

[Money Maker]

Well, just heard back from I. I... ... .



Not real happy with what Brady is telling me. He says that the adjustment was bottomed out and that the turbo failed because of excessive speed/boost. Thing is I don't know how to adjust the boost. Plus I didn't need to it was doing everything I needed out of it. I had the edge turned off for the last 10,000 miles anyway because my trannies have been failing so the highest boost I have seen in quite awhile is about 35#'s. And last but not least if I did make an adjustment to it and it failed why wouldn't I adjust it back before I sent it in to be repaired under warranty?



He thinks I took it somwhere and had them turn it up. I actually didn't know you could do that much less need it done.



Don't know what he is going to bill me yet but I know it should be warranty

 

[GButia]

wow..... I wouldn't pay them a dime on this one. If they don't warranty it then tell them to keep it and take your money and business elsewhere. HTT sounds better and better... ... . Let us know what happens. I had a kwikspool B1 on my 03... bought it from Piers. Drove it literally 40 highway miles..... It blew and they denied warranty... . needless to say they didn't get my business again... ... and I know some people swear by them but that was my experience.

 

[AMassaro]

i've been hearing this fluttering noise coming from i think is my turbo. it happens when the boost starts to build and continues till i let off the pedal. i can really hear it in the exhaust noise when i drive by a wall or close building. any of you that have had a sps 62 blow ever hear any sounds like what i'm describing? i've been thinking about putting the stocker back on and sending mine back to be checked out and updated to spool faster with the G56. there is no end play or side to side on the turbo... . james

That fluttering noise is surge. I spent about an hour last night reading about surging and turbos. Not good at all for the turbo wheels and bearings. I bet alot of these failures are due to excessive surging. Any takers?

 

[Money Maker]

wow..... I wouldn't pay them a dime on this one. If they don't warranty it then tell them to keep it and take your money and business elsewhere. HTT sounds better and better... ... . Let us know what happens. I had a kwikspool B1 on my 03... bought it from Piers. Drove it literally 40 highway miles..... It blew and they denied warranty... . needless to say they didn't get my business again... ... and I know some people swear by them but that was my experience.

Maybe that is what I should do.



At this point they have rebuilt it and are ready to ship it back to me..... after I pay for the repair and shipping back to me. Keep in mind I paid to have it shipped next day to them at a cost of just over $200.



I bought all the recommended safe reliable bolt on because I use this truck to feed myself and family. I cannot afford for my truck to be down or for the repairs. I lost $4000 this week alone because I had to pass on a load that I was supposed to pick up Monday.



I was never trying to be the fastest or most powerful. My reasons for upgrading have proved to be completely useless. With the weight that I am pulling you cannot reliably add any torque with out sacraficing the transmission. I have litteraly killed 3 nv5600's in under 40K miles. The only way to make them last is use the factory fueling. It forces you to drop into 3rd and 4th gear on some hills but at least the transmission can handle it.









I guess if I were to tell them that I don't want the sps anymore I would loose what ever value the housing was. I still do not know what they are going to bill me for the repair but surely it is far less than the cost of another turbo. Maybe I will pay for the repair have it shipped and immediatley sell it.



What kills me is I oringinally had a HTT but is was damaged in shipping and they didn't have another one so I bought an SPS... .

 

[lmills]

I wouldn't pay a dime. The charger has only been on for 6 months. Most of those units carry a 1 year warranty. At least I know HTT's do.

 

[JasonCzerak]

How many of these turbo companies deny warranty cuz the end user installed it and they claim user-error?



The fellow with the 40 mile break, did you not prime the oil or something right? huge boost leak? Maybe something else was missed?

 

[pwerwagn]

The odd part is, they were EXTREMELY helpful when luis (LOtero) blew his up. They went above and beyond, to the extreme I think.

But yes, I think it should have a 1 year warranty. The HTT's do, ATS is usally willing to replace them within the year also, and so do the Jammer BB's.



hmmm... .

 

[BJMarshall]

First off, if you can't afford your truck to be down, don't bomb it.

Look at this from the vendor's point of view. It plays out like this. Turbo comes back with fried bearings and the wastegate adjustment is as high as it can go. The customer admits he has a boost leak until he realizes this will overspeed the turbo and damage it then he changes his story. I see it as he had a boost leak and rather than fix it he just tightened up the screws to get the boost back. Turbo got fried. Simple.

I wonder how many of the others that had failures would honestly admit that they blew a boot off a time or two.

 

[GButia]

The B1 was installed by me and a buddy who has installed countless turbos at work and on his personal pro-stock pulling truck. It was installed right. That turbo was supposedly bullet proof... . until others started grenading them too. I had one of the first ones. They tried to blame it on hard fueling from the tst pmxcr I had... ... bullet proof my rear end! The stocker handled it fine for about 12 hooks and 12,000 miles. In fact I put it back on and was still alive when I got rid of the truck.

 

[betterthanstock]

Part of the problem is surging. The other part is critical vibrations, which the article I posted on previos page explains a little bit.

What it means is that the length and thickness of the shaft, and the size and weight of the rotors, has a lot to do with what rpm they resonate (badly vibrate) at. Those are forbidden RPM.

How many of these aftermarket companies test for those critical frequencies, to determine what RPM's are to be avoided, and then go back and redesign them to not fail within their advertised specs?

Just testing at maximum boost is not enough, if you have one of those bad resonances at an intermediate RPM/pressure. That's how they can hold up fine in competition, but fail on street driving.

By the way, jet engines operate above the critical speed, and they are required to accelerate quickly above that speed (from idle), but this is not possible with a street driven turbo. They have to operate below critical speed, or they blow up in normal driving.

 

[jwilliams3]

How many of these aftermarket companies test for those critical frequencies, to determine what RPM's are to be avoided, and then go back and redesign them to not fail within their advertised specs?

Your not going to find a "perfect" turbo no matter who makes it. Once you go away from the stock unit you go into the hybrid area. Some can come close to having good manors but many are purpose built for "hot" engines and only do so many things well.



We can't have our cake and eat it too... .

 

[zstroken]

As far as piers not honoring the warranty. I have had great luck with them. I know several people who deal with the B1 said that warranty was not existant. Once you bought it you owned it. Piers sent me 3 intercoolers cause fed ex damaged the first two.

 

[Forrest Nearing]

Part of the problem is surging. The other part is critical vibrations, which the article I posted on previos page explains a little bit.

What it means is that the length and thickness of the shaft, and the size and weight of the rotors, has a lot to do with what rpm they resonate (badly vibrate) at. Those are forbidden RPM.

How many of these aftermarket companies test for those critical frequencies, to determine what RPM's are to be avoided, and then go back and redesign them to not fail within their advertised specs?

Just testing at maximum boost is not enough, if you have one of those bad resonances at an intermediate RPM/pressure. That's how they can hold up fine in competition, but fail on street driving.

By the way, jet engines operate above the critical speed, and they are required to accelerate quickly above that speed (from idle), but this is not possible with a street driven turbo. They have to operate below critical speed, or they blow up in normal driving.

this post kind hurt my head... kinda like posts about 5. 9's blowing up at 4,000rpm...



turbos die from overspinning... ALL of the turbo vendors that we buy from have high speed balancing equipment...



my little theory is that the 3rd gens spool turbos so hard that the 62's are failing on them due to overspinning...



this post seems to suggest that there was a boost leak, which sends turbine RPM to the moon



my little sps62 was run at 55psi for a couple months till I put the bigger inejctors in... then I saw drive pressure going up, so I turned the boost back down.



turbos are very simple creatures. don't over-spin them or overstress their bearings, and they'll go a LONG time.

 

[AMassaro]

I've read countless articles on the net about compressor surge in the last few days. Surge kills bearings. Some turbos surge more than others due to their design and complicated factors that would require a thesis to explain. I've learned ALOT about this recently and it makes me worry about my turbo. I can drive around it most of the time. But sometimes I can't. I don't believe these turbos are dying from overspinning. That's too easy of an answer. Surging is causing undue stress on the bearing and rocking the turbo on it's axis. Jmho.

 

[Money Maker]

First off, if you can't afford your truck to be down, don't bomb it.

Look at this from the vendor's point of view. It plays out like this. Turbo comes back with fried bearings and the wastegate adjustment is as high as it can go. The customer admits he has a boost leak until he realizes this will overspeed the turbo and damage it then he changes his story. I see it as he had a boost leak and rather than fix it he just tightened up the screws to get the boost back. Turbo got fried. Simple.

I wonder how many of the others that had failures would honestly admit that they blew a boot off a time or two.

I never changed my story. I sadi that I was loosing boost pressure and checked the hoses to find one that didn't look healthy. I figured it was the problem but didn't take it apart to verify it. I bought another hose then before I put it on the turbo blew up. All of this happened in an afternoon.



After getting towed home I took it all the way apart. The hose looks bad but does not have any holes in it. Turbo is blown. I. I. says the power was turned up and denies warranty. How convient that it worked in their favor and no one can even challenge their finding since they now have the turbo.



I took suggested advise from several vendors on different pieces of bolt on aftermarket parts. All parts that I purchased were said to work together reliably. That was the only stipulation I had was that everything had to be relaible. I put on all of these parts and it did work as it was supposed to. Which would give me zero reason for adjusting things for more power.



As I already said the power was not even useable because the trannies cannot handle any more torque than a stock setup can throw at it with the kinda weight I haul with my truck.



If you wanna defend I. I. go ahead and blindly follow them while they spoon feed your retarded ***** what ever story they want to tell you. I have been nothing but honest. In fact, I. I. sent me an extra turbo on accident and I could have kept it but I called them to let them know about their mistake and arranged with them to send it back. After the way I have been treated I'm not sure I would be willing to so nice.



How do you like me now???

 

[BJMarshall]

Name calling huh? That's mature of you. I was merely pointing out things from the vendors point of view, not defending them or the turbo. As far as that goes, I have never bought anything from II, but they seem to be a reputable, knowledgeable vendor.
What you need to do is go out and buy yourself a medium duty truck. Regularly pulling 30k with a 1 ton truck is way more than it was ever intended to do. No wonder you break stuff on a regular basis.

 

[Money Maker]

Truck went 208,000 miles without a single failure. It hasn't gone 10,000 without a failure since putting aftermarket parts on it. I was assured that my modest performance upgrades wouldn't be any less relaible. I bought into it, reliablility has suffered as a result. I am not bitter, wouldn't do it again if I could choose to go down that path though.



I could careless what you think I need to do. You have no idea what I am doing so for your to suggest alternatives is ridiculous. If you can't stand name calling you should invest in some thicker skin.

 

[GButia]

So you have never bought anything from I. I and you are defending them? After your first post I would be hot too.