Building a better BHAF...

[Matt400]

Pics of the AMSOIL eaau4510. This has become the most popular Nanofiber that guys order from me, nudging out the 4090 unless there are space limitations.

What is the part number for the drop in replacement?

 

[JOdell]

What is the part number for the drop in replacement?

The drop in for your truck is EAA189. -Jason

 

[Duluth Diesel]

Who uses them and in what applications?

Almost every major industry has Nanofiber products available and are widely used. This is a VERY proven filtration technology. Show me where the other popular filter brands (K&N, AFe, Green, AEM) that can tout the same industry-proven track record.



http://www.donaldson.com/en/about/buy/index.html

http://www.donaldson.com/en/engine/extendedservice/index.html

http://www.donaldson.com/en/about/brands/index.html





-Chuck

 

[Yo Hoot]

Almost every major industry has Nanofiber products available and are widely used. This is a VERY proven filtration technology. Show me where the other popular filter brands (K&N, AFe, Green, AEM) that can tout the same industry-proven track record.



http://www.donaldson.com/en/about/buy/index.html

http://www.donaldson.com/en/engine/extendedservice/index.html

http://www.donaldson.com/en/about/brands/index.html





-Chuck

I would like to see a side by side comparison how any of these Amsoil filters compared to the stock paper filter for flow and efficiency.



Tests have all too often proven that the stock pleated paper air filter is best overall.



I will continue to stick with my stock filter media until I see data stating something else is far superior in flow and cleaning.



Yes some tout higher flow but almost always higher flow comes at a cost... more dirt getting by.

 

[Duluth Diesel]

I would like to see a side by side comparison how any of these Amsoil filters compared to the stock paper filter for flow and efficiency.



Tests have all too often proven that the stock pleated paper air filter is best overall.



I will continue to stick with my stock filter media until I see data stating something else is far superior in flow and cleaning.



Yes some tout higher flow but almost always higher flow comes at a cost... more dirt getting by.

http://www.che.com/newsletters/cefree/pdf/June06WP1.pdf

http://www.amsoil.com/lit/g2202.pdf

http://www.pharmaceuticalonline.com...f10-4727-4630-ab8e-b7fbeec54dfd&VNETCOOKIE=NO

http://www.ssc.army.mil/soldier/jocotas/ColPro_Papers/Tepper.pdf



A nanofiber is less than one micron in diameter. A human hair is 80 microns. Nanofiber Filter Media Traps sub-micron size particles on the nanofiber surface, preventing particles from lodging in the filter media depth. Small, consistent fibers trap smaller particles and hold more contaminants with lower restriction.



-Chuck

 

[Yo Hoot]

Here are the results of an extensive tests done a while back when everyone was fighting over who made the best air filters.



This was an independent test done by a fellow member with commercial equipment.



The data indicates that stock AC Delco OE paper filters were the best with respect to doing the job of cleaning the air.



I would love to see the Nanofiber's REAL performance in this data.



Note these were conducted with GM Duramax diesel filter sizes.



Take note the highest flowing filters had the lowest ability to catch dirt.



TEST

 

[Matt400]

The drop in for your truck is EAA189. -Jason

How do I know if it filters any more or less than the OEM Fleetguard filter?

 

[Duluth Diesel]

Well the K&N came in right where I expected it. Dead last. :-laf



None of those filters have Nanofiber technology, and I agree I'd like to see it done compatatively. But Nanofiber filters beat plain paper, and if that weren't so true than hospitals and military equipment wouldn't be switching over to the Nanofiber media. The stuff works, but I can't seem to scrape up enough proof to convince the last 1%.



The AMSOIL filters used in this test were the old, now discontunued oiled type foam filters. I never liked nor sold those anyway. This test with an AMSOIL Nanofiber cone would be interesting to see.



-Chuck

Here are the results of an extensive tests done a while back when everyone was fighting over who made the best air filters.



This was an independent test done by a fellow member with commercial equipment.



The data indicates that stock AC Delco OE paper filters were the best with respect to doing the job of cleaning the air.



I would love to see the Nanofiber's REAL performance in this data.



Note these were conducted with GM Duramax diesel filter sizes.



Take note the highest flowing filters had the lowest ability to catch dirt.



TEST

 

[CTD12V]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like I read somewhere that the stock filter setup on a GM Duramax flowed a lot more air from the factory than does a stock Dodge filter box, at least the 2nd Gens?

 

[Matt400]

The stuff works, but I can't seem to scrape up enough proof to convince the last 1%.

Thats the thing Chuck, you shouldn't have to. I think there is more than 1% that wont buy based on- "cuz we said so" If that were the case we would all be running K&N cuz they have the marketing in place.



I don't understand why flow and filtration is left out of the picture.

Maybe the drop in for example fliters better than paper as you say but restricts flow more than the paper. So to get the added flow back is the larger more noisy eaau4510 needed.

 

[Duluth Diesel]

Thats the thing Chuck, you shouldn't have to. I think there is more than 1% that wont buy based on- "cuz we said so" If that were the case we would all be running K&N cuz they have the marketing in place.



I don't understand why flow and filtration is left out of the picture.

Maybe the drop in for example fliters better than paper as you say but restricts flow more than the paper. So to get the added flow back is the larger more noisy eaau4510 needed.

But that's not even it. The Nano drop in flows better and filters better than a stock paper filter. Look at that article in the latest TDR magazine where they did a test on Nanofiber and paper drop-in filters. People keep insisting that better flow means less filtration, but it has to be understood that technological advancements can make things more efficient. Nanofiber technology makes a better filtering media with better CFM per square inch of filter media than paper. Sometimes scientific advancement actually works! This Nanofiber material gives us a very clean filtering, high flow rate material. The proof is all over the place. Some folks just don't want to open their minds and believe it. Kinda like the old timers I run into that simply say "I don't beleive in Synthetics!" and walk away. There is nothing I can do to change their close-mindedness and deeply entrenched opinions.



-Chuck

 

[Matt400]

The Nano drop in flows better and filters better than a stock paper filter. Look at that article in the latest TDR magazine where they did a test on Nanofiber and paper drop-in filters.

I didn't see that I guess or just skipped over it, I will check it out-thanks

The proof is all over the place. Some folks just don't want to open their minds and believe it. Kinda like the old timers I run into that simply say "I don't beleive in Synthetics!" and walk away. There is nothing I can do to change their close-mindedness and deeply entrenched opinions.



-Chuck

I am open to change, I just need hard data to do it. I see on TV the K&N hype, then the trucks that come into the shop with them that have gunk on the turbo inlet. I am not saying the Nano is like that but there has to be some concrete data somewhere on it. I will check the TDR and see how they tested it.

 

[Duluth Diesel]

I didn't see that I guess or just skipped over it, I will check it out-thanks

I am open to change, I just need hard data to do it. I see on TV the K&N hype, then the trucks that come into the shop with them that have gunk on the turbo inlet. I am not saying the Nano is like that but there has to be some concrete data somewhere on it. I will check the TDR and see how they tested it.

There won't be gunk inside your intake tube with a Nanofiber, because there is no oil used with this filter. The oil is what K&N uses to catch the finer particles. The oil is what is unable to stay suspended in the filter media under the high air demands of our engine. This dirt-containing oil gets released up the intake tube with a K&N filter, effectively "dusting" your engine. No semi truck, or hospital air filitration system, or U. S. Military tank, etc use an oiled filter! That is true for a very good reason. They don't work reliably enough. Our engines are worth too much money to have poor air filtration.



-Chuck

 

[Duluth Diesel]

I went down AMSOIL Corporate HQ in Superior, WI the other day and pulled out a bunch of Nanofiber air filter and shot comparative photos of all the different models. If you guys are interested, and want to see what these all look like, follow this link: http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/a...15611-nanofiber-air-comparative-pictures.html



-Chuck

 

[CumminsPower98]

Here is an update on the Amsoil air filter. I just looked up my latest 24k mile oil sample online and it looks like the filter is doing it's job. My silicon is 9 ppm and I had the front cover and vacuum pump both off during this period and resealed with RTV so that might or might not have some affect on the data. I had a number of 51 ppm with a K&N drop in that was well greased around the edges many moons ago before going to the paper BHAF. Oh and the plexi glass box is still holding up fine but more time will tell with the high summer towing temps just around the corner.

Here are my last four samples with the first number being the total miles on the oil.

24k silicon 9 Amsoil filter
28k silicon 20 Duralite BHAF - Not sure why it went so high on this one but still not tagged as abnormal. I don't know what engine work I might have at this time either.
76k silicon 7 Duralite BHAF
52k silicon 6 Duralite BHAF

 

[CTD12V]

Good deal. Thanks for letting us know some numbers!



CTD12V

 

[Duluth Diesel]

Thank for the numbers on the Nanofiber, CumminsPower98!



Ah, since we're on the topic again, check out these new Nanofibers for hot rods and muscle cars: https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/eaar.aspx?1206252



-Chuck

 

[CumminsPower98]

I hope they make some for the dirt bike market at point. I would love to have one on my Honda XR600.

 

[Duluth Diesel]

Well, for dirt bikes, they do offer these: https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/twinair.aspx?1206252



And for Harleys and other motorcycles, there are Nanofibers available: https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/eaam.aspx?1206252

 

[CumminsPower98]

Yeah but I don't like the foam filters. They are a pain to clean and not in a nice rigid case. I used to run a K&N, which was nice for cleaning and flowed good but it seemed I had some dirt in the intake so I did away with it. Maybe someday they will offer the nanofibers for the off road market.