Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Bully Dog vs Diesel Dynamic Injectors

[Archive]

I've run a little over 7000 miles on a set of Bully Dog III's and I'm happy with them. They smoke at low boost - but then pull HARD and run CLEAN when when they get the oxygen they need. A LOT more power than what I needed, so that just about makes 'em perfect.

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1999 White SLT Dually Auto 4:10 Posi. NOT BOMBED... ... ... ... (very much) 28,000 miles

 

[bow hunter]

I agree with TopFuel, my bd II are awesome, Awesome price Awesome power. I need a boost module to finish of the power. Waste gate line pinched off. 28 psi of boost.

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98. 5 SLT Q/C L/B intense blue loaded 3. 54 5 speed straight exhaust,isspro boost egt dual pillar, bullydog stage II injectors

 

[WeirCummin]

I've had sportbike's test injectors in my truck for almost week now and am keeping them. They gave my truck an honest 70/75Hp increase over stock and no smoke as long as there is some boost.

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Y2K(BD. 11. 18. 99)PW7A BE2L34,(A4OP=ETC/DDX),DMDP w/DSA,AHJ,Autometer Pyro& 50#Boost,STD. PE&EZ,sportbike injectors, PSA, Majestic HX40,4"exh. w/Stan's downpipe

 

[Joseph Donnelly]

Big Bob, DD injectors were never done by a 3rd party. Lawrence has always done them "in-house. " Also DD gives monthly specials although many are not aware of that if they don't visit their website at www.dieseldynamics.com
so the TDR discount was just an extension of that policy. I'm not sure, but it may be over now.
As for the "premium price" if you saw the amount of work, care, and quality control that DD uses, you would understand. They take many steps that go way beyond industry standards.

 

[BIG BOB]

Joe,

Thank for the info about DD injectors. However, I do have to disagree with you about the discounts. I have watched DD site on a religious bases this last year do to the fact I was looking at purchasing injectors. Before Bully Dog started marketing injectors, I had never seen DD with any discounted prices on their website. I purchased the Bully Dogs before DD offered their discount, if the discount had been offered prior to my purchase, I probably would have chosen the tried and proven DD's. However I am very pleased with the Bully Dogs and especially the service from Bully Dog. Competition is good for all of us. That is what make business in the U. S.

I would like to see some dyno result with Bully Dog going straight up against DD in the same vehicle. If someone had a set of DDIII's they wanted to donate for the comparison with Dyno numbers, I would do the testing in my truck, and return the DDIII's after the comparison. That would give alot of people good information about them both.

 

[RobbyRam]

Yeah! DD's vs Bully Dogs in a head up competition!, on a dyno or at strip!!

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Y2K Black 3500 ISB 4x4, 4:10 LSD,Auto,QC,SLT Laramie,"EZ", LB, Polished Stull Billet Grill & Fog inserts, Chrome Smitty-Built Step Rails, Mopar Chrome-Tipped Mud Flaps, A-Pillar mounted West-Tach Turbo/Pyro/Trans Temp gauges,Rancho 9000's set at '1',Diamond Plated Tool Box, OEM U. R. Bedliner + other stuff.
Fact:The First Fords' had 'DODGE' Engines! The new PSD's need them!

 

[BLACKRAM]

In the end, there only be one . . . DD #ad
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1999 2500 4x4, auto, 3. 54 LS, HD241, Quad cab SLT, Blk Sport Pkg, 285 Bridgestone AT,Amsoil,80/100w lights, DTT TC/vb, DD2's,DD TTPM,Isspro gauges.
1992 SC400
1978 Mooney 201 IFR

 

[Bill Kondolay]

Here is my 2 cents for whats it worth,

I have had opportunity to try almost every possible power combination with the exception of the twin turbo set up.

I have tried the bully dog injector and they are a good injector. They meet the hp they advertise.

Diesel Dynamic injectors also meets their advertised power. The difference between the two injectors in my testing was the DD injectors ran smoother and less smoke.

What swayed me towards Diesel Dynamics was not only the product but the man behind the product. I personally talked to and met Lawrence, now this man is knowledgable, he can give you what you want.
Now from a transmission point of view, he can make my job very challenging #ad
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Something he did recently really spoke volumes to me, i gave him two choices on how to set up a vb on a truck he was working on.
The hard /proper way, or the easier way, keeping in mind the customer would not have known the difference. He actually did it the way i would have done it myself. It didnt matter to him that it was harder. His pride in his workmanship and his product knowledge
is very impressive.

Bill Kondolay
Diesel Transmission Technology

 

[Diesel Guy]

DD used to offer TDR members a 5% discount, now they upped it to 20%. It's just never been listed on their website... only for us to know. #ad

 

[Archive]

Thanks for the input Bill K. Experience always takes precedence over opinion. I still would be interested to see a direct comparison. Three dyno run test results and the readings from an opacity meter. May the best minds and products win. Am I alone on this injector "shootout" or is this of interest to anyone else? The results would GREATLY influence my purchase decision regarding my next Cummins powered Ram.

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1999 White SLT Dually Auto 4:10 Posi. NOT BOMBED... ... ... ... (very much) 28,000 miles

 

[KatDiesel]

Nice old thread to resurface.



I have both DDIIIs and BD IVs ... ... however I have not compared them back to back same day... ... yet.

 

[Briar Hopper]

Nobody on the TDR ever did answer the age-old question of whether it's okay to just slap in any 'ol injector in your Cummins, and expect the engine to last, as well as run right... . spray pattern is crucial, is it not? The sled pullers and extreme HP crowd are running ANY injector they can, especially in the 24 valve applications... but they have the $$$ to not care about the old cylinder wall washdown scare, and whatever other threats that funny injectors may pose... . all of this was brought up over a year ago, and there were no answers.

My DD3's have performed flawlessly for over 70,000 miles. An excellent choice, considering my truck pulls quadruple duty as daily transportation, a work vehicle, an RV-towing vehicle, and a part-time drag racer.

I'M NOT SAYING OTHER INJECTORS WILL CAUSE PROBLEMS. I'm simply pointing out that we never received an answer from anyone on the EDM vs. extrude-hone, and the spray-pattern issue.

If DD has a different way of doing it, you can bet they have a mighty good reason. Research & development.

I acknowledge that some of my favorite vendors do sell brands other than, or in addition to, Diesel Dynamics. It does come down to giving the customer what they want, and that's fine. Anybody on here have a 24-valve with 80,000-150,000 miles, with a set of "showerheads" ?

 

[Joseph Donnelly]

Jim Fuller now runs Diesel Dynamics 24 valve injectors and makes more power with them.



Of course, my poor old sickly 12 valve Ram also has run DD injectors for some time. They are an important part of his horsepower addiction program

["his," yep rams are male. Ewes are female. Beware of owners who call their trucks "she" as the trucks may have lost some important body parts ]

 

[Briar Hopper]

When I say "showerheads", that's not in reference to Diesel Dynamics injectors. I would not insult the high quality of Jim Fuller's injectors by calling them that. "Showerheads" is a midwest term for injectors that get massive quantities of fuel into the cylinder ANY OLD WAY they can. I'll repeat the question, clouded by the previous poster's obfuscation, and ask if anyone here has a 100k or higher, Cummins with showerheads in it, having been run daily with those injectors?

 

[Bob Wagner]

DieselDynamics will always be one step ahead in the injector game





Pushing the envelope is the name of the game



Right Jim oh yeah

 

[Bigsaint]

I think I'll just add that I am very happy with my BD 5's, and leave it to that. Mr. Donnelly beat me up pretty good the last time I posted otherwise . Many members have commented on the heavy smoke with BD injectors. I think it comes down to what your tolerance level is in regards to the smoke. I didn't mind the BD 3's at all, the 5's are right on the edge for me in the hot summer months. Fortunately, that's just a few short months. Come Sept. , all is well again in my little diesel world.



Pick your poison and enjoy the ride.



Scott W.

 

[Roger rodbolt]

Bully Dog Injectors

I have nothing bad to say about Diesel Dynamic injectors in fact they were great and have ran the early set of their "showerheads" for about sixty thousand miles. I now have a larger set of Bully Dog injectors that make more power and have less smoke then the old DD's when driving with lower throttle settings. The BD's with smoke a lot more at WOT but a compound turbo would cure that . The point that I make is that I believe several companys have made progress in injector development and in talking with Mike at Bully Dog I was impressed with the amount of experimentation/engineering they have done. BTW: the BD "magic injectors" smoke just as they were designed. :-laf :-laf