By-Pass Oil Filter Systems

[GCecchetto]

I'm sure this question has been beat to death but here we go again. I want to install a by-pass oil filter system on my truck. I have an Amsoil system but have not got it installed yet. I was reading some threads talking about noise caused by this system as well as some people saying they don't see a noticable difference in the clarity of the oil with this system. I know you need to test the oil to really know what shape it is in but some people made comments about the Puradyn system keeping the oil looking new. I have a T600 and the oil looks absolutly black after 3000 miles. When I sold my 95CTD it had 86,000 on it and the oil came out looking like new at every oil change. The bottom line is I want to help the new motor stay clean and am wondering what by-pass system most people are using and with what results.



Thanks



Gino

 

[AndyMan]

I would also like to hear some opinions on this. Also, what systems are available besides the AMSoil one?



I changed oil last night, and put synthetic in for the first time (Valvoline PBE). Bought it from the Cummins dealer in my area. The oil jug had the Cummins "C" logo on it. I know they helped develop it, so I'm going to put my faith in it.



Andy

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Here's the setup I use with excellent results...



https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98863&highlight=anatomy

 

[rbattelle]

I've got a MotorGuard filter, which uses a toilet paper filter element just like Gary's. I don't have it installed yet, as I am trying to work out something different for the oil return line.



There's some great reading about bypass filters at www.bobistheoilguy.com

 

[GCecchetto]

Why don't you use the sandwich adapter that they sell? It looks like the right way to do it to me. I'm thinking of installing one of these filters instead of my Amsoil. If so I will install a valve on the supply and return at the adapter. That way if there is ever an issue with the hose or bypass filter I can take it out of the system by closing the valves.



Gino

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

Gino, even the best filtration system is going to do little to make your oil appear clearer due to the fact most soot particles are too small to be caught by the filter media. If that's what you're going after the Frantz Gary is referring to will probably give you the best results.



It is ineresting why the 600s soot oil up so fast. Didn't have that problem on my '03 as well as my '96.



Vaughn

 

[GFritsch]

I don't think the oil filtration is the weak link on these trucks. I too notice how black the oil is, but I think the engine will outlast the rest of the truck with scheduled changes. That being said I will change my oil and filter at 5k instead od 7. 5k as shown in the owners booklet. I was surprised how easy the job was compared to my 94. Getting the filter off was easy with the filter wrench from Genos Garage.



See you in the am Gino-

 

[GCecchetto]

Gino, even the best filtration system is going to do little to make your oil appear clearer due to the fact most soot particles are too small to be caught by the filter media. If that's what you're going after the Frantz Gary is referring to will probably give you the best results.

Vaughn

Vaughn;



According to the info on the Frantz and Gulf Coast web sites, these type filters filter down into the 1/100th to 1/10th micron range which will easily filter the soot out of the oil. Whether or not the flow rate of the by-pass filter can keep up with soot production of the motor is another thing. I suspect it probably can't but I'm going to give it a go. Greg is correct the motor should out last the rest of the truck or a least out last my desire to own the truck. That being said the T600 motor may not give the same engine life as the earlier motors do to the much higher soot levels. Soot is an abrasive and these engines load up the oil to much higher levels than their predecesors. Boy I wish I could find the spell check on the new software!



Gino

 

[GCecchetto]

I've got a MotorGuard filter, which uses a toilet paper filter element just like Gary's. I don't have it installed yet, as I am trying to work out something different for the oil return line.

I'm thinking about buying one of Motorguard/Gulf Coast filters and have been looking under the hood trying to find a mounting location. Can you yell me how tall your filter is including the handle on top?



Thanks



Gino

 

[DLeno]

wow, sub micron filtration? from a roll of TP? I don't think silica particles are that small. IR techniques in oil analysis detect particle sizes in the 5 micron region, and course dust is in the 10s of microns.



I know Frantz has been in the TP filter business for decades. have they published any studies about cellulose breaking loose?

 

[amsoilman]

Micron Ratings are arbitrary values assigned to filters or media. Although a "micron" is a length (1 millionth of a meter), a "micron rating" is not actually a measured value. The micron rating for a filter quotes a particle size without establishing the filter's efficiency at removing that size of particles. A window screen will remove some 1 micron particles, but it will not be very efficient. Since a micron rating cannot be verified, filter manufacturers are safe in assigning any number that they want.

To compare filters, the filter industry has established standardized tests for measuring performance. These tests include Life and Efficiency Tests (SAE J726, J806, and J905) and Beta Ratio Tests (SAE J1858). These SAE standardized test methods, along with the meticulous recording of test conditions, ensure that filter comparisons are "apples to apples. "



Life and Efficiency Tests measure the filter's ability to remove a standardized contaminant from a standardized fluid that is flowing at a constant rate and a constant temperature. The test continues until the contamination trapped in the media raises the differential pressure drop across the filter to a specific, predetermined level. Life and Efficiency Test results will include a Time Weighted Efficiency (%) and a Capacity (measured in grams).



Beta Ratio Tests are by far the most accurate and objective way to compare the performance of filters. A Beta Ratio Test measures a filter's ability to remove particles of given sizes. In other words, the test measures the filter's efficiencies at specific particle sizes. The beta ratio test equipment actually counts the particles in the fluid before the filter and after the filter.



Wayne

amsoilman

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Here are a few of what *I* consider to be facts as related to bypass filtering - and apply to ALL properly engineered bypass filters, regardless of brand:



1. Bypass filtering WILL greatly reduce percentages of contaminents in an engines filter.



2. Fewer contaminents in the oil pretty much CERTAINLY will reduce contaminent related engine wear.



3. Use of bypass filtering allows longer use of engine lube, dino OR synthetic - and in extended oil use, a good bypass oil is almost a MUST for best ongoing lube condition.



4. The best bypass filter on the market is NO BETTER than the quality of maintenance employed by the owner!



5. Engines that typically are run hard, or in heavy stop and go traffic - or those that typically exhibit a tendency to rapidly "dirty" the oil with soot WILL most likely continue to outpace the ability of the bypass filter to maintain visually clean oil. The oil WILL be cleaner WITH the bypass filter - just not as visually clean.



Is bypass filtering worthwhile for casual owners who will be trading in their truck at several years or 100K miles or so? Probably not - these filters are more for long-term owners or commercial/industrial users who need the very BEST oil filtration reasonably available to protect their investment and increase its usable lifespan - MOST in this group probably don't fit that description!

 

[rbattelle]

I need to research the sandwich adaptor a little more. I didn't realize it has a supply and a return port... .

 

[Rockcrawler]

I've got a used Amsoil dual system and 6 new filters that I removed from my 01. Never put it on my 03 and soon enough will have a megacab. First $100 get's it shipped in 48 states.

 

[KO_RAM]

Filtration Solutions Bypass System

Here's another one to throw in the mix. I use a Filtration Solutions FS2500 oil bypass system. Here's some pictures in my photo album of the install Oil Bypass Install (You'll have to excuse my web site, I haven't had a chance to work on it. )



They have a pretty impressive video concerning soot and comparing it to the Fleetguard and Amsoil systems. I was almost ready to by the Amsoil system until I started finding out some noise/vibration issues with the dual remote setup. I've only had it on for about 1700 miles now, so I can't speak much about what I've experienced yet other than the oil still looks good so far. I'll know more after I get some miles on this and a few oil analysis done. The system is not real cheap, but it is a quality system. Support from the company is very good too.

 

[Rockcrawler]

oh yea, FWIW I was getting 20k out of my amsoil synthetic oil before the lab (blackstone) said I was creeping up on soot limits- all else was looking good. Mild bombing, EZ and DD1's, lots of towing, long trips

 

[DLeno]

what were your silica levels, and did you have the bypass in?

 

[Rockcrawler]

what were your silica levels, and did you have the bypass in?

Yes, that was with the dual bypass filter and the amsoil syn. I was changing one of the filters at 10k and adding makeup oil, changing all filter and oil at 20k. Silica is dirt, right?? Sorry, I can't recall but know it was not close to the level they considered the limit. I was running a BHAF with an Outerwears sock on it. Ran the cycle 3 times before trading in on my 03.

 

[amsoilman]

If you want a "sandwich" type oil adapter for mounting a "Duel-By-pass" system, contact John Strenkowski E-mail:vssyn@rcn.com He goes by CPFF on the TDR sight, and he makes these.



Wayne

amsoilman

 

[DLeno]

cool. I gotta say these bypass filters do look attractive. yea silica is dirt. measured by oil analysis you like to see those numbers in the teens or below. I think guys with factory spin-ons and AFE PG-7s are seeing single digit numbers.