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California.... I don't like living here!

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From what I heard in my Diesel Technologies Class, California is trying to pass a bill, or has passed (I dont know which) that gives older diesel owners OTR trucks and off-highway tractors and such, a $90,000 grant to re-power their vehicles. I know of two guys around here that went through the process. I dont know if it was their choice, or the governments. Apperantly there is a CAT dealership in San Diego that has several older diesel engines sitting out in a "scrap yard". My instructor in the class helped re-wire the two machines that I know of.



I'll try to get some more info.



I can certainly believe that the CA state legislature would do something that stupid but it doesn't make fiscal sense. The cost of a new OTR tractor is somewhere around $120k, more, of course, if loaded up with all the frills. I'd bet that every CA resident who owns an OTR tractor eligible for the repower grant you described would be very happy to allow the taxpayers of CA to buy him a new tractor.



I often feel very wise to have moved away from that looney tunes state in 1988. I only wish they would separate from the US and keep their goofy ideas.



Harvey
 
i work for holt of ca and we have more repowers lined up to come in then we know what to do with. all of it is for this. so far the plan is from april/march through the end of the year.



one thing though we the people arent paying for it through higher prices. no uncle sam is paying for the repower/new machine up front. our broke pennyless government is paying for these 50+ thousand dollar engines/machines.



on an edit if you are buying a new otr truck the government pays for 80% of the bill. i know this for a fact cause a friend of mines company just bought 3 brand new petes and uncle sam payed 80%
 
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one thing though we the people arent paying for it through higher prices. no uncle sam is paying for the repower/new machine up front. our broke pennyless government is paying for these 50+ thousand dollar engines/machines.



:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:



I hope that comment was in jest - otherwise...



Here. sadly, we see yet another individual who doesn't "get it"!



Exactly WHERE do you think the government GETS the $$$ to subsidize these modifications, if not thru taxes (higher prices)?



Do ya suppose that widespread hordes of government workers are going out to somehow EARN the $$$ this project will cost? :-laf:-laf:-laf



Wake up, smell the coffee, we ALL are paying for these upgrades, on April 15th!
 
I can certainly believe that the CA state legislature would do something that stupid but it doesn't make fiscal sense. The cost of a new OTR tractor is somewhere around $120k, more, of course, if loaded up with all the frills. I'd bet that every CA resident who owns an OTR tractor eligible for the repower grant you described would be very happy to allow the taxpayers of CA to buy him a new tractor.



I often feel very wise to have moved away from that looney tunes state in 1988. I only wish they would separate from the US and keep their goofy ideas.



Harvey



Like I said, I don't know the facts just yet. I'm trying to contact my instructor to get some truths.
 
I'm a veteran of more than 27 years in the Navy and also college-educated whatever that means, and retired now.



When I was on active duty we didn't publicly criticise our Commander-in-Chief or arrogantly assume we knew better than the President and top civilian and military leaders regardless of our personal feelings. I served through the disastrous years of Jimmy Carter, the worst president in modern history and we still didn't criticise him publicly.



I consider it shameful that you would announce in a public forum that you are Navy and then criticise the President. I hope you are a minority among sailors of today.



Harvey



Thanks for your service. I understand your point of view..... noted. My opinion still stands. Hopefully it will comfort you that on the job I follow orders regardless of opinion. And I'm not an activist running around picketing.



j



ON EDIT; It's really bothering me that you may be doubting those who are serving after you because of my post. I can't allow that. I can't take back the email, but I will edit out my previous post.
 
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Thank you Jeff. That is the honorable thing to do. I suspect you weren't thinking of how your post would be viewed when you wrote it.



I will edit or remove the quote in my post as well.



Harvey
 
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Word I got from another diesel owner a few days ago was that recently a bill was submitted in the NC state legislature proposing that we adopt CARB emissions standards in this state as well.



Lord help us. :{



No word right now as to the status of that bill. Hopefully it died before it even left committee. I'm all for emissions standards that work and are based on sound science, but not the cobbled-together claptrap that passes for such out in CA.



The '07 emissions standards have already put a major hurt on the OTR rig manufacturers. I work at one of the Freightliner plants here in NC, and those of us that didn't get laid off spent nearly half of last year drawing unemployment. We're just now getting back to the point of running two shifts shifts full time, and still have a shutdown week scheduled for this month and one in March.



Most of the operators bought pre-'07 trucks like mad, then the orders just flat-out went away. Can't blame them - emissions gear added at least 10 grand per truck, plus lower fuel economy, and then diesel goes above 3 bucks a gallon. Gonna be tough times in the OTR world for quite a while yet.



And now CA is forcing them to re-engine all their rigs to '07 standards, to be followed most likey by all the me-too-CARB states? Talk about a kick to the privates while they're already on the floor from the one-two punch of the EPA and fuel prices.



And if what one gent working for Holt said is true - that federal money is being used for grants to pay for this re-equipment mandated by the state of CA - for me, that's the straw that broke the camel's back. In essence, I and everyone else in the other 49 states are being forced to pay for a program adopted by the state of CA when we don't even live there, and none of us in the other 49 states had any say one way or the other in electing the representatives that passed this law or in whether or not to adopt it. That's flat-out BULLS###!!!!#@$%!



If I felt like wasting the time finding his e-mail address (because I know his "handlers" would never let him read it), I'd send the Governator an e-mail congratulating him on being such a inventive politician and outright thief - he's found a way to pick the pockets of everyone in the country to pay for this latest round of stupidity from the land of fruits, nuts, and flakes.



As was said, all of us are going to pay for this mess in the end - either for higher prices for virtually everything shipped by OTR, because sooner or later the operators are going to have to recoup the higher cost of trucks and fuel to stay in business - or on April 15th when our tax money is spent on programs such as this that we had absolutely no say in.
 
MOATES,



I agree with you.



Take a few minutes to discover for yourself which political party runs CA. Also the other states which follow CA's lead on similar matters.



All legislative action begins in the legislature. CA governor pretended to be something else to get elected but he is of the same philosophy as the legislators.



Harvey
 
From my perspective, it doesn'r really matter which party label they have any more - to paraphrase a line from "The American President", they're too busy trying to keep their job to actually do their job.



I'm also retired Navy enlisted. Sad to say, more and more often over the past few years, I've found myself asking the question - what was the point of all those years of service I gave, if they were simply going to turn the country into this godawful mess?



The way in which the EPA and CARB seem to be "targeting" the OTR industry at much the same time, with '07 emissions standards and the re-engine mandate, has me wondering if what one of the supervisors at work ventured a couple weeks ago holds water - that this is also tied into NAFTA.



When NAFTA was first enacted 13 years ago, the idea was that eventually OTR's from any of the 3 countries would be able to cross borders and conduct business without restriction anywhere. With Canada, that wasn't a problem - similar DOT, emissions, safety, and driver training requirements to ours.



Mexico was a different kettle of fish. Virtually nonexistent DOT, weight, emissions, safety, and driver training standards. And while they wanted unrestricted access to make deliveries anywhere in this country, the Mexican companies wanted their government to restrict US trucks from making deliveries in Mexico, claiming that would give US OTR companies an "unfair advantage" and that they couldn't compete with them.



Congress, for once doing a semblance of their job, enacted a provision putting a stop to this - it stated that once Mexican OTR's could meet standards equivalent to ours as far as the truck itself and driver training, they would revisit the idea of allowing them to make deliveries throughout the US - but until then , no dice.



Last year, 12 years down the road, the Mexican government and OTR's hadn't moved one iota toward meeting these requirements. But the current administration decided to start up a "pilot program" and start allowing a certain number of Mexican OTR's to make deliveries throughout the US - while at the same time the Mexican government is still preventing any US trucks from doing the same - the Mexican companies still complaining that would give US companies an "unfair advantage".



Last word I had, Congress was trying to enact a measure prohibiting any federal funds from being spent on this pilot program - in effect, stopping it dead in it's tracks - but no idea if it went thru.



Strange indeed, that at the same time US OTR's are being hit with the expenses of meeting '07 emissions, retrofitting older rigs, and $3/gallon diesel fuel - and eventually having to pass these costs on to their customers - that they would suddenly decide to start allowing Mexican OTR's - which don't have to incur the expense of added emissions equipment, safety requirements or driver training, nonexistent weight limits, driver pay that is peanuts compared to US pay scales, and cheaper fuel courtesy of the state-run oil industry - to start doing business in this country, while allowing the Mexican government to prohibit US companies from doing the same in Mexico.



As the ols saying goes, follow the money.
 
I agree with your concern about why you spent many years serving your country. I often have the same thoughts. The political party these blowdried empty suits claim is often used to get elected but does not accurately describe their deep political convictions, or they simply don't have a political philosophy beyond self promotion.



The political parties do, however, have clearly identified beliefs and goals, even when they deny or obfuscate them, and I consider it important to know which way the candidate for office leans or acts, regardless of what he/she claims.



The parties are not the same regardless of what some would have you believe.



Harvey
 
Wxman, you are right.

Already, (as of 2007) within the Santa Barbara APCD, we are being held to a 0. 01 g/bhp-hr particulate standard for stationary engines. This is on top of EPA certified Tier-3 engine.



Trouble is, none of the major diesel engine manufacturers make a Tier 3 engine meeting this standard. So I have tried aftermarket PM filters (ridiculous to buy for a brand new engine). Now take into account that the California Air Resources Board regulations were written in mind around over-the-road trucks and gensets, which operate under conditions allowing engines to get to operating temperature (at least long enough to regenerate a catalyst particulate or oxidation catalyst) - but in my case, I'm trying to meet the regulation on a crane, which, at best, is only under load for 50% of the time, and a lot of idle time at that. Short story is, that the filters plug up and turn into a huge maintenance headache. I'm looking into active filter technology, which will require 220 VAC power or diesel injector and a burn cycle. I wouldn't be surprised if we end up replacing the brand-new diesel engine with a natural gas engine instead.



And, as others have already mentioned in this thread, I could electrify the process, and let the electrical power plant produce far more emissions than what I am presently producing, but then I would be totally exempt.
 
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