Deletes Legal?

[Ram4Sam]

See issue 127 page 95 for more info on monitors. They can be very hard to complete. I'm glad I got the 67A recall done for the extended warranty, but it would have been much easier had I thought to get the smog test done first before the recall flash wiped out all the monitors.

Is that possible? I have always thought the test station will not pass a truck if the recall 67A has not been done. I haven't done it as I have until December of this year until I need a smog.

Sam

 

[sag2]

You can get the smog done (at least in CA), you just can't register until the recall is done.

 

[Grumpy8811]

I'm sure most do pass , three years ago I did not ,and it was an ordeal . I had a CEL that I repaired ,but unknown to me at the time , we have those monitors that have to clear , and if you have two or more it doesn't pass here in Utah , well I had four . There is no way to clear them expect miles ,and key cycles . I was unable to get enough miles on it before my registration was due ,had to get a wavier from the county to register the truck ,had a trip planned with the fifth wheel . Anyway two of the four cleared at around 500 miles ,the other two hung on for nearly 1500 miles . When I was at the county emissions I was told they have seen some of these Cummins take 2000 miles to clear the monitors to pass emissions .

I'm sure most do pass , three years ago I did not ,and it was an ordeal . I had a CEL that I repaired ,but unknown to me at the time , we have those monitors that have to clear , and if you have two or more it doesn't pass here in Utah , well I had four . There is no way to clear them expect miles ,and key cycles . I was unable to get enough miles on it before my registration was due ,had to get a wavier from the county to register the truck ,had a trip planned with the fifth wheel . Anyway two of the four cleared at around 500 miles ,the other two hung on for nearly 1500 miles . When I was at the county emissions I was told they have seen some of these Cummins take 2000 miles to clear the monitors to pass emissions .

your problem sums up the whole issue because if they simply were slightly less stringent with the rules I suspect most people would not game the system to get around the regulatory nonsense. I can't imagine the amount of frustration and cash you went thru fixing an invisible problem, just keep your truck on the road..

can you imagine what it is like for someone in business who depends on making a profit with a diesel powered vehicle and they can't keep it running because of that sort of issue?

 

[nukegm]

seems that deleting will still be ILLEGAL. according to the owner of this shop. just sharing. cheers all !

 

[bcbender]

It has always been Illegal, just laxly or not enforced at all.. people have been removing emissions equipment since the 70s that was placed there by the OEM to meet the standards of the time, that removal did not make it legal, just not worth rounding everyone up. Personally I lay a lot of the attention to this matter on the feet of the coal rolling crowd who must have more money than I since they have no problem letting it all go out the tailpipe as unburnt fuel.... Most people have no idea what / which vehicles are diesel powered, only that they are pouring out foul smelling dark clouds..... nevermind the pollution their Tesla is creating!

 

[Diesel85]

It has always been Illegal, just laxly or not enforced at all.. people have been removing emissions equipment since the 70s that was placed there by the OEM to meet the standards of the time, that removal did not make it legal, just not worth rounding everyone up. Personally I lay a lot of the attention to this matter on the feet of the coal rolling crowd who must have more money than I since they have no problem letting it all go out the tailpipe as unburnt fuel.... Most people have no idea what / which vehicles are diesel powered, only that they are pouring out foul smelling dark clouds..... nevermind the pollution their Tesla is creating!

I got a neighbor that deleted the cats off their rather new Mustang and F150, along with disabling some EVAP components. Problem is, you can smell it... smells like a running lawn mower, otherwise you'd never know. They own a residence in Michigan and have them plated as such. So no need to deal with NYS emissions and safety.

 

[bcbender]

So no need to deal with NYS emissions and safety.

Depends on how nasty the local govt wants to get right? Like residency, I would imagine if the vehicle spends most of its time in state they could require the license change, I toyed around with that idea when I had my home in VA but cost to transfer plus running around NC with out of state plates all the time were less attractive than just following the law.

 

[Grumpy8811]

I got a neighbor that deleted the cats off their rather new Mustang and F150, along with disabling some EVAP components. Problem is, you can smell it... smells like a running lawn mower, otherwise you'd never know. They own a residence in Michigan and have them plated as such. So no need to deal with NYS emissions and safety.

ever wonder " WHY"?
the emissions stuff is nearly foolproof on modern gasoline powered vehicles and doesn't include that "150 miles until you are screwed ' inducement ,
so why do they do that stuff to an otherwise functioning automobile?

 

[Grumpy8811]

Depends on how nasty the local govt wants to get right? Like residency, I would imagine if the vehicle spends most of its time in state they could require the license change, I toyed around with that idea when I had my home in VA but cost to transfer plus running around NC with out of state plates all the time were less attractive than just following the law.

lets face it , some states and locales are far less interested in that sort of thing than others but once a person is settled where they are,
most people don't have enough money to do that sort of thing so compliance is easier than non compliance.

 

[Topzide]

Depends on how nasty the local govt wants to get right?

Takes just 1 law enforcement officer. The fines are pretty steep! The only way around the residency are, being an enrolled student or on a temporary job assignment.

Some areas have people assigned to just this type of enforcement. Their job of finding you has been made easier with the license plate readers! Easy to program them to flag out of state plates, then follow up on them.

 

[Grumpy8811]

Takes just 1 law enforcement officer. The fines are pretty steep! The only way around the residency are, being an enrolled student or on a temporary job assignment.

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I can remember standing at a fuel pump and commenting to the off duty deputy on the other side of the pump filling his truck, and the deputy recommending I delete mine,
my neighbor is an owner operator, his Peterbilt is deleted.. like he said, stay out of California and the upper NE and you are good.. apparently the rest of the US isn't all that interested.

 

[NIsaacs]

seems that deleting will still be ILLEGAL. according to the owner of this shop. just sharing. cheers all !

 

[Grumpy8811]

yeah, if the EPA relaxes their push against companies selling the delete stuff, it goes back towards where it was..
I do know the EPA had consent decrees with multiple companies in the past because of targeted enforcement actions
but that could all go away under the current situation.

But it is still against the law. LOL.

 

[Cummins2014]

your problem sums up the whole issue because if they simply were slightly less stringent with the rules I suspect most people would not game the system to get around the regulatory nonsense. I can't imagine the amount of frustration and cash you went thru fixing an invisible problem, just keep your truck on the road..

can you imagine what it is like for someone in business who depends on making a profit with a diesel powered vehicle and they can't keep it running because of that sort of issue?

Well it wasn't exactly invisible , it was the nox sensors . They were intermittent , cleared the code a couple times ,seemed like the third time was the charm . As said unknown to me at the time , the monitors had not cleared , no passing the emissions test . This went on for a couple years ,just the once on the emissions test . Eventually the code came back ,and would not remain cleared , replaced both nox sensors , upper ,and lower . Problem solved for now .

Was not terribly expensive , here is how I look at it , bought the truck new . It is now 11 years old , it's the price of owning a piece of equipment , equipment breaks . For what I have spent on repairs in 11 years , not a complaint . Sure I wish it hadn't been any ,but thats not realistic .

 

[NIsaacs]

Good bye, strict vehicle emissions standards. I won't post any videos because they might be considered political, but they are out there, look them up.

It is done, gone, history.

Maybe I should wait for a '26 model, the improvements will be huge.

 

[Diesel85]

Good bye, strict vehicle emissions standards. I won't post any videos because they might be considered political, but they are out there, look them up.

It is done, gone, history.

Maybe I should wait for a '26 model, the improvements will be huge.

I'm hoping to see more small diesels on the road. Half tons and cars primarily. Let WE THE PEOPLE have a say on what fuel WE want to use.

Diesel engines are fantastic at what they do over gas, when they don't have the extra luggage.

Heck, look at the EcoD, I am absolutely stunned I can get 30+ mpg in a heavy half ton rolling brick.

I'd like to see EV/Diesel/Gas options available for every manufacturer in the USA.

 

[Units]

Good bye, strict vehicle emissions standards. I won't post any videos because they might be considered political, but they are out there, look them up.

It is done, gone, history.

Maybe I should wait for a '26 model, the improvements will be huge.

‘26 would be good anyhow. Gives them some time to work out any kinks.

 

[Grumpy8811]

I honestly don't think emissions related regulations are going to disappear, but they may become more ignored like it used to be.

 

[AH64ID]

I honestly don't think emissions related regulations are going to disappear, but they may become more ignored like it used to be.

That’s my thought as well. The used diesel market would crumble, and dealerships make more money used than new.

To dissolve emissions and keep the used market alive would require cheap removal options with factory backing and I don’t think we’ll see that.

 

[sag2]

Any changes would be slow to roll out and costly to reengineer. The manufacturers have to work years ahead to plan and source the parts necessary to meet requirements. I would not expect to see any significant changes to hardware, but they may be able to quickly alter programming that might help.
I'm sure the manufacturers are just as rattled with changing emissions as the markets are at the back and forth on tarifs. Once things settle down a bit there should be significant progress.