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2nd Gen Non-Engine/Transmission Disappointed w/ Dodge's lack of customer service (A/C issue for 3+ yrs), LONG story

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Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) P1693 with P0216 Questions

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I purchased my 2002 ETH/DEE new in November of 2002 and I've loved this truck ever since with one exception. The A/C has had a leak from day one. The first spring (2003) I tried it and got nothing but warm air. I took it in to the dealer (the first of over a dozen visits at two different dealerships over the past 3+ years), they replaced some hoses and sent me on my way. Two months later it was warm air again. This started a series of "recharge, add dye, come back in a few weeks, can't find the leak" visits which, almost like clockwork, would recycle every two months when the A/C would start blowing warm air again. The exception of course being over the winter when I didn't need it (I live in CO btw), so I/we could only troubleshoot this during the warmer months.



By the time I had 6 visits under my belt I sent in the lemon card. The dealer was refusing to change any more parts until they could find the leak so from my point of view I was stuck in a neverending cycle of recharging every two months. Nice. I was contacted by the local representative who assured me they'd fix it. He claimed the dealer had just received new equipment and they would find it now. So I took it back in, again, and they couldn't find it, again. At this point I insisted that they change something because I was not happy with the whole recharge and fill with dye routine. The dealer reluctantly agreed to change the evaporator since this was the only part they couldn't see (buried under the dash) and was the likely culprit. They then inspected the original evaporator and said it was fine, no leaks, so the leak must be elsewhere. Sure enough, two months later it was warm air again. This forced me back into the "recharge, add dye, no leak found, warm air" routine.



After a few more visits of this (and by now we're into my 2nd year of ownership with this truck) I contacted Dodge again and pleaded with them to resolve this. At this point I was told "sorry, you sent in the lemon card too late". I sent in the lemon card after 6 tries, but unfortunately I had accrued 40k+ miles by that time. It turns out there's a 36k mile limit to send in the card :( The mileage was due to not being able to troubleshoot over two winters. So dodge basically said "tough luck, no lemon law for you" and I took it to a second dealership. By now I'm rapidly approaching 70k miles.



I figured a change of atmosphere and a fresh look at the problem couldn't hurt. Unfortunately it was the same story, different dealership. They couldn't find the leak either and after a few tries I contacted Dodge for the third time pleading for help. Their response? They sent a notice to Star, the local representative, and the dealership stating that "Dodge will no longer offer financial assistance with respect to this issue". In other words, I'm out of warranty now so I'm completely on my own. The dealership sympathized and recharged and checked it one last time which got me into the cooler winter months. That's where I am today and, guaranteed, the A/C will blow warm air this spring.



Over $34k to purchase the truck, 3+ years of ownership, the A/C has been leaking since new, over a dozen visits to the dealership specifically for this issue, 3 fruitless calls to Dodge, weeks spent without the truck (sometimes with a Dodge Neon dealer loaner, sometimes just left to find my own transportation), and Dodge's attitude throughout all of this was "tough luck". As soon as the 70k warranty expired they completely washed their hands of the issue. It was disappointing enough that the A/C has issues in a $34k+ vehicle, but the overall lack of service throughout this whole deal has been sickening.



The lesson learned doesn't really apply to the trucks in this forum, so I'll also post this in the 3rd gen forum for new owners. If and when you have issues with your new truck, send in the lemon card immediately. If you wait until after 36k miles you're screwed. Also if it's a repeat issue you're pretty much screwed anyway, and can fully expect Dodge to nurse the issue until the warranty expires. At this time they'll wipe their hands of the issue and leave it up to you to deal with it.



I would also like to note that this was my first new vehicle. Needless to say I was very excited with the purchase, however after my experiences I can say with conviction that I will NEVER purchase another new vehicle from Dodge. Ever. In fact it's questionable that I'd even purchase a used Dodge. I hope others never share my disappointing experiences :(
 
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I can honestly say Dodge has the worst customer service of any dealership I've ever been to. They hands down absolutely suck. I went through the same thing when my VP was dieing, I was in there almost 10 times before they said "this injection pump is about to die". Ohhhhhhhhh, you don't say. I couldn't be happier with my 12 valver.

Sorry for your misfortune.

-R. J.
 
I also have an '02, my story is almost identical to yours and I share with you in the disappointing experiences. This is my last Dodge as well because of the treatment with regard to fixing the A/C problem. I am now over my warrenty period as well, but Dodge told me I could buy an extended warrenty and they would fix it under that. Right, I gave them 5 tries under the standard warrenty, so I am off to a specialty A/C shop as soon as I can afford it. I hate having warm air when I should be expecting cold. I have a feeling that the treatment won't be any differently with any other dealership.



Disappointed in Dodge,



Casey
 
My father has a 2002 that has had the same trouble. They replaced several parts and then when summer came it was warm air again. the last time thit was out of warrenty and the listed it as a one time good faith repair. We will see how long it holds out. Sorry to hear you have had such bad luck with this. The scary part is I have a 2002 as well and my ac works very well.
 
It's comforting to know I'm not alone in this experience, and sorry to hear it at the same time. For something so seemingly simple, it just baffles me that they have no interest in making it right. "Thanks for your hard earned money, now buh-bye. " We also have an $8k Kia Spectra and you know what? The Kia's A/C works great :rolleyes: The Cummins can pull a house, but Dodge can't figure out how to fix an air conditioner. #ad




Hoof, I also plan to seek out an A/C specialist shop this spring. That's basically the only option I have left at this point (aside from installing a water misting system and a fan inside the cab :D ).



From what I understand it's illegal for Dodge to wash their hands of this situation like they have since there is clear history of the problem, and their failure to fix it, under warranty. However, do you pay a lawyer to force them to jerk you around some more or pay an A/C specialist shop to fix it and be done with it? I've chosen the latter.
 
Hercules130 said:
If i went through all that i would say goodbye to Dodge and buy a chevy, even if it were my second choice.

Oh I've said goodbye to Dodge alright, they've made it crystal clear that they don't appreciate my business or stand behind their product. Thank goodness I paid extra for that premium warranty :rolleyes:



I don't know who I'll try next, hopefully this truck stays together for several more years and I don't have to cross that bridge any time soon.
 
I know this won't help it get fixed but... Can you park your truck in front of the dealership with a BIG sign in the bed/tailgate/etc... ? Pick a Saturday or Sunday when the weather is getting nice = most people looking for a new car...
 
You need to tell them you want a complete new system installed. All new hoses, compressor, condensor, etc. . Everything NEW. If they refuse, talk to a lawyer and get him to write a letter and take dodge to court. Your only option. You will win hands down in court.
 
Same boat...

I have never used Dodge for warranty repairs. Sometimes I wish I'd purchased the extended warranty, but then again I've been using aftermarket parts for everything and it has mostly worked out well.



I, too, had an A/C problem for a couple of years on my '01. After a couple of recharges with dye and no stains anyone could see anywhere, I paid nearly $600 for replacement of the evaporator coil in the dash. Two months later, same problem. Finally, the A/C completely shut off, and the rainy season hit, so I had to do something to be able to see out the windows. After a few more recharges, the A/C shop guy said "hey, wait a minute... maybe it is that simple". His eureka moment resulted in the replacement of the low pressure schrader valve, a $26 deal. The dye stain was showing up there, but we expected to find it and never thought anything about it. The charge still holds a couple months later.



Be sure to have your A/C guy clean off the fill port with some brake cleaner or something to get the dye off. Then, if the dye shows up later there, that is your leak.



It's hard to diagnose a problem where you would be expecting to find evidence of leakage anyway. It's even harder to get good service! Nothing like spending big $ to fix a little problem.
 
Some times ya gotta do what ya gotta do. :{





03 with bad upper ball joints at 28k mi. Tires starting to wear. Take to good front end shop for alignment. Upper ball joints real bad #@$%! . Malloy Dodge says in spec :-{} . Back to front end shop and $700. 00 later , new Stemp adjustable ball joints, alignment is right on the nats as*. Drives better than new ( non adj caster was - on left and + on right ), right drift even in left lane. :mad:
 
Shooter said:
( non adj caster was - on left and + on right ), right drift even in left lane. :mad:



Unless the axle was assembled/welded incorrectly, how was the caster different left to right? And the caster is adjustable via the eccentrics in the lower control arms.



Brian
 
I guess I should feel lucky my 02 ETH/DEE has been has only had a couple of problems: main computer @ 11,000 & VP44 @ 44,000 miles, & I'm at 77,000 miles. Sychros are going in the transmission, but I want to wait a little longer (got the 7yr/100,000 warranty)



The dealer I bought my truck has been very good with me - except being able to reprogram my speedo, which was done by a performance shop that owns a DRB III.



But for you that think the grass is greener on the other side, I have a 2001 Chevy Blazer that I would like to drive up someones backside. The problems I have had with it & the dealer we bought it from are as bad as listed above. Example - clunk in the front suspension & it took 5 trips to the dealer, reaming the Head Service Manager to find a single, loose control arm bolt.



With the price of diesel on the rise, I might just start riding a horse to work... .
 
hey guys, a/c problem I know all about it. 2001/2500 been it shop six times in for a/c. we live in south la. do not get much cold wheather, about the third time i had to bring to shop, i got a good friend of mines that has a mech shop. to look at it before i go back to dodge again. , he said he thinks the comp. was leaking, I when to dodge again and told them to look at comp, next day pick up truck and dodge said comp. was good could not find leak, so they put dye in system to locate leak later. they said to run a/c hard as possible. too months later same problem, they said it was a schrader valve leaking. did not help stiil changing parts,still a/c problems this will be the six time, had it out with shop foremam & manager of dodge, I ask them to change out comp, as of 11/04 with a new comp installed,it still running good, know my friend that has a small mech. shop said comp. was leaking months age, only a one man shop. how many mech dodge has in shop, not good.
 
if you want a fix for your ac i cen get you some cans of selent you put in and it should fix all your problems a guy around me knows all kinds of stuff about freon and ac systems and they have a enviroseal which will fix your leaks if they are in the seals and then if that dosne work they have a stuff called prodry/proseal which is a 2 step process that fixes small leaks in the alumninm and fixed all my problems on my truck this guy said that 134 is crap and it actually eats away at the aluminum and thats why ou get leaks the prodry/proseal is either 30 for each can or 30 for the 2 cans and then enviroseal is about 15-20 and i would bet it would take care of your problems



ken
 
RCrosby said:
I when to dodge again and told them to look at comp, next day pick up truck and dodge said comp. was good could not find leak, so they put dye in system to locate leak later. they said to run a/c hard as possible. too months later same problem,



Ditto that. After researching on here and hearing about compressors leaking behind the pulley I specifically mentioned this to the service manager and asked them to check it. When I went back to pick it up they claimed they looked at it and it's fine :rolleyes: Dodge should have stepped up and replaced the entire A/C system long ago. This spring I'll find an A/C shop and ask them to check the compressor.
 
2001. 5/3500:



Replaced evaporator at 42K (no leaf rot found)

Replaced compressor at 54K (seal leak at pulley shaft)



Something is inherently wrong IMO. I think I will try what Ken suggested.
 
52,000 km's to get fixxed and still not working!!!!

Yes having the same problem with my 99.

The steering had excessive toe in from the factory. That cost me $5000. 00 out of warranty.



The engine has been gutless since new. 39 visits so far and nada. I just can't believe that they are so incompetant cumins included. kind of like more parts. They have lost me forever. :D
 
Just thought I'd post an update on this. We've had some warm weather recently and to no surprise the A/C air is warm as well. Dodge has undeniably proven that a problem doesn't disappear if you just ignore it for a sufficiently long period of time. Once we have some more consistently warm weather I'll seek out an A/C specialty shop and let them have a go at it.



Oo. :rolleyes:
 
I think it's time to finally close this out. As I hinted above, last spring I finally took the truck to a repair shop other than the dealer. I discussed my painful history and described the problem. Unlike the dealer techs, this shop actually worked the problem. Their first conclusion was that it wasn't a hole because the system wasn't completely discharged. It was still pressurized, but not enough to actually work. If it was a hole the pressure would have leaked out completely, and in this case it appeared to leak down to a point and then stop.



The prime suspect was the compressor shaft seal (the same one I asked the dealer to inspect but they didn't). They replaced the seal and I've had cool A/C ever since. It's over a year now and still working so it appears the problem has finally been fixed. After 3+ years and more than a dozen dealer visits, this shop fixed it on the first try. It's amazing what you can accomplish when you work the problem rather than wait for the problem to reveal itself (refill with dye, wait, see nothing, rinse and repeat).



I hate to say it, but Dodge Customer Service kicking me to the curb and washing their hands of the problem was probably the best thing that could have happened. Now that this is behind me I plan to send a copy of the stack of dealer receipts and this shop's one receipt to DCS. IMO they owe me for the repair (not to mention the 3+ years of frustration), but based on my less-than-impressive experience with DCS so far I'm not holding my breath.
 
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