Competition Drugs, twins, west vs east, etc.

[Sled Puller]

Magic room eh?

That is all I needed to hear.



It is much easier to improve upon a good design, then start from scratch. That is cool.



Me thinks your interested in max hp, FREE max hp, more power to ya buddy, it is a sweet deal and I am insanely jealous.



Jim gets custom injectors, and I'm stuck with off the shelf. O h well, I am always down on power.

 

[Don M]

A few points:



1) Smoke is not always power.

2) Big holes dont atomize fuel in every case.

3) 40HP spread in injectors at this performance level is huge. These guys have begun to reach the point in which making more power on diesel only takes a ton of technology, research and patience.

4) Jim Fuller was 560HP on diesel at MM with the Mitchell injectors.

He just told us Lawrence pushed him up 40 more with DD injectors. He has also added more DD technology as stated above. Ill let you figure the rest out.

5) Injectors that spit, **** and drip fuel are hard to make accurate power with and raise EGT's.



Just a little fat to chew on.



Don~



Oh, Kat. imagine if you had the DD injectors in your truck right now

 

[D Factor]

We have two excellent pulling tracks within minutes of my home. I am very certain that I could lease either one of these sites for a day or two. We could have grudge matches , east vs west , single turbo , twin turbo . We could get this whole thing sorted out. We could do a lot of hooking for not much money. We could figure out who is KING ounce and for all. Let me know if anyone is intersted and then we'll work out the details.

 

[HoleshotHolset]

I would go!!



I wouldn't hook... . but I'd go (if my work schedule permits)!



I'd even volunteer to videotape it on DV for free!!



Matt

 

[Brandon]

hey don, dont forget about big don's truck, Van's, and dave Mitchels truck... ... For that matter the farmers back there are crazy about there trucks and put lotsa dough in them... I think we are all gonna be surprised by the trucks we DONT know about

 

[HoleshotHolset]

I agree with Brandon..... there are a lot of guys/gals out there just lurking and quietly waiting for the perfect opportunity to show what their trucks are made of... .



It'll be interesting.....



If I don't go to Muncie (and it's not looking too good... . )... somebody PLEASE!! take some video!!



Matt

 

[TxDieselKid]

Originally posted by HoleshotHolset

If I don't go to Muncie (and it's not looking too good... . )... somebody PLEASE!! take some video!!



Matt

Matt,

Got a camera I could use?



Tell Eric I will need a press pass for Munice...



Andrew

 

[HoleshotHolset]

I have MANY cameras at my disposal... . but the only hitch is that I have to be the one signing them out and using them... .



If someone buys me a round trip ticket... . I'll go to Muncie... SHOOT EVERYTHING and edit together a tape all in digital video and sound... . Someone could even have the final master tape duplicated and sell it for about $20 a pop... . This would be a good thought... . I have about a thousand non-linear editing systems at my disposal to use here at work... hehe



Matt

 

[SlyBones]

So no beer fight, huh.

 

[HoleshotHolset]

Well, if I were going to Muncie... there would be all kinds of brews floating around!



Matt

 

[TxDieselKid]

I'm taking a boat load, well enough for me and maybe one for Mark Kendrick, of Shiner Bock!!!



Andrew

 

[Hammer]

It seems kinda funny that Jim has jumped on the DD bandwagon real fast and with both feet firmly planted,,I know someone else has already stated this but it needs to be resaid,"If you can not beat them join them",,That seems like the DD battle plan,,Have a guy get close and watch what happened,swoop,he's part of the "team"(gotta wonder how long it will be before they copy Mitchells twin setup),,As for Don and his constant cheerleading of the Joe D/DD hp,one could only wonder if he's just trying to be the next one for free parts,,You claim alot of knowledge of injectors Don and whose make the most power but is it something you've seen or something you've found on the internet,,Funny thing I've seen back to back runs between DD and another companies injectors and DDs were left sitting far enough behind in HP one would only wonder why use them,,It will all be settled at Muncie,NOT,because what ever happens will not suit the loosers(especially if its the western bunch)and then the excuses will happen again,,Bottom line is just go, have fun, and someone please take a photo of Don M wearing his "Sled Puller is my HERO" tshirt... ... ... . Andy

P. S. -I also would like to see the Mitchell motor dyno sheet you have and its flawed powerband,,MMMM,kinda makes me wonder what is so much different than the ones I have in front of me at my disposal now,post it we'd all like to see it,,I can see the only way to make you, Don, believe in Eastern HP is for a few of us to make a Texas roadtrip to your own playground,stomp your HP pride,then go home to our own neighborhood like the bullies we are... .....

 

[KatDiesel]

Originally posted by Hammer

You claim alot of knowledge of injectors Don and whose make the most power but is it something you've seen or something you've found on the internet

Don knows a lil bit bout injectors, how many people can say they made their own set?

 

[Don M]

Hammer,



In Jims case the Mitchell injectors were a bit lower (40HP) in power than a set of DD injectors. This is fact and truth and was proven on the dyno. Back to back on the same day.



All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed; second, it is violently opposed; and third, it is accepted as self-evident.



Some of us have already gotten past the first two stages of truth and some of us are still on the starting line or at the first stage.



You like the Mitchell products as well as a bunch of your friends and you guys lash out, ridicule, and violently oppose the fact that the injectors made less HP. This is a perfectly understandable reaction from an emotional standpoint, but NOT one that bears scrutiny in dispassionate logic. Still, it has to be recognized that emotion, like intelligence, is something that nature gave all of us to get thru these kinds of decisions in life and thus we cannot disavow that you use more emotion when making decisons than logic. But for all that, I hope you will stick with us and sock it to us from your own perspective from time to time.



Don~

 

[CUMINNTSTRKN]

Originally posted by Hammer

It seems kinda funny that Jim has jumped on the DD bandwagon real fast and with both feet firmly planted,,I know someone else has already stated this but it needs to be resaid,"If you can not beat them join them",,That seems like the DD battle plan,,Have a guy get close and watch what happened,swoop,he's part of the "team"(gotta wonder how long it will be before they copy Mitchells twin setup),

yes they approached me, and heck yeh i jumped on there program. they beat me fair and square at mm. so i knew with my twins and there technology we could go much higher than i had been. and i was right they gave me more hp which is what i was after. as far as copying mitchell's twins you crack me up, why would they want to? there is a very small market for twins, they have a hard time keeping up with there normal day to day stuff. they sure don't have time to redeisgn mithcell's twins. dave has enough pictures on his website to copy them. settle down dave isn't worried why are you?

,As for Don and his constant cheerleading of the Joe D/DD hp,one could only wonder if he's just trying to be the next one for free parts,,You claim alot of knowledge of injectors Don and whose make the most power but is it something you've seen or something you've found on the internet,,Funny thing I've seen back to back runs between DD and another companies injectors and DDs were left sitting far enough behind in HP one would only wonder why use them,,It will all be settled at Muncie,NOT,because what ever happens will not suit the loosers(especially if its the western bunch)and then the excuses will happen again,,Bottom line is just go, have fun, [/B]

are you talking 24v or 12v injectors hammer? i think dave makes a great product, and his tuneup gave me 560rwhp at mm. but dd has given me more, this is not to say dave couldn't match dd, but the injectors i had were the biggest ones ee had ever tired in a 24v. i have worked hard on my truck and in helping others to get as much hp as posssible. i remember you saying i was full of it about n2o hp. i was right on the money with doug's setup. you need to remember we are all after the same thing. we want the most hp we can get.

some great company's believe in me enough to sink a ton of $$ and time into my truck in order to help me out. that means a lot to me.

if i get my butt kicked by the east i will not make excuses, i will regroup and get ready for schied.

will you be pulling at muncie??? i sure hope so other wise you are just another talker, we seem to have plenty of those lately.



jim

 

[Sled Puller]

Texas Spin

Shipping a set of proven injectors across the country to a stranger and custom building a set of full race injectors while the truck is in your shop are two different things.





Especially when the truck you are working on is about to travel to the other side of the country with your name on it.



DD threw the kitchen sink at Fullers truck, it is the best they got.





Don,

Nobody back here lashes out at DD, rather, when the***** got so deep, we defended ourselves, and our friends.



In fact, the entire board knows it is the other way around, on here, and Diesel-Central. You kids have just realized this, now you and Joe are a on a damage control post war, trying to point the finger.

Get real!

 

[Don M]

Sled Puller,





Looks like more phantasm from the Mid-West Puller.



phantasm \FAN-taz-um\ (noun)

1 : a product of fantasy: as a : delusive appearance

: illusion b : ghost, specter c : a figment of the

imagination. 2 : a mental representation of a real object.



Things appear to you to be more powerful by watching the sled pulling trucks move down the track with smoke rolling out and dirt flying, but this is not always the case. Phantasm seems to play a big part in your decision making. Evidenced by your ability to concoct a ficticious scenario and speculate that the Mitchell injectors were a foundation of the DD injectors to get where they are. You try to alter the truth to fit inside your invented realm of reality. This does not fit into "actual reality. " Your abilities are not even a persuasive tool, just BS spewing from your orifi and splattering onto the forums. After Jim comes on the TDR and states the Mitchell injectors were weak when compared to the DD's you come on here and install your vision or phantasm of the truth. Not to mention you pulled a sneak attack on my puke reflex!!







Twice you came on here stating that the Mitchell injectors were not the best ones they had to offer. This is too bad for the consumers of their products because Jim specifically asked for the best ones they had. Im not too sure about your comment of Jim's injectors being "full race. " He drives them daily and went from Vegas to Montana and will be driving to Muncie as well. Same injectors Dude!



I request that you begin making your statements based on facts like I have. I have access to dyno sheets that show the power differences between the two products. You have phantasm and statements like "the Mitchell's would not give out the best products to be copied by others. " Well Gene, I guess in your case ignorance is bliss You need desperatly to recognize that truth cant always be put in a straightjacket.



Oh, it will be no surprised to me if your next post will be more incoherent ramblings from your invented realm again. This is what always happens when you try to respond to me, but cant.



Don~

 

[Rob Thomas]

Don... ... ... ... dude, yer gonna make Gene cry. :-laf







Later, Rob

 

[Sled Puller]

Originally posted by Don M











I request that you begin making your statements based on facts like I have. Don~

Best do a little homework, "Dude" while you were ranting, I was talking to Jim.



I have all the facts I need to know the only thing you typed that was truthful above, and not typical Don M spin, is the definition.









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[CUMINNTSTRKN]

Originally posted by Don M

Sled Puller,





Im not too sure about your comment of Jim's injectors being "full race. " He drives them daily and went from Vegas to Montana and will be driving to Muncie as well. Same injectors Dude!



.



Don~

don

i have a set that i will call my towing injectors in right now. they are between a supermental and a mega mental. the ones i will use to compete with are much bigger. i did put about 3000miles on mitchell's and they worked very well. egt's were higher but they worked great.



if the event was only a couple of hundred miles away i would drive with the big ones in, but since it's over 1800miles one way i will be changing them out. i'm sorry if i mislead anyone to think that. although with my towing setup i'm still at 550rwhp.



gene at least were still on topic

jim