dse in truck 04-05 CTD

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

cj, as an update, how many miles have you run your '04 on dse fuel to date?



Have you ever thought about having any of your injectors torn down at some point to analyze them for any deterioration that could stem from the fuel you are using? Here is a subject on NW Bombers that is worth a look, but hopefully it's a case of bad fuel vs. the consequence of running bio fuel: http://www.nwbombers.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=27442



Vaughn

 

[cj hall]

injectors

hello vaughn



the mileage on the truck is at 49200 I started running the vegoil at 31000 miles so thats 18200 miles but I have run some of the miles have been on #2 so i would think that 14000 miles on vegoil off and on



as far as the injectors and wear my thoughts are that any time you have high pressure and any type of fluid flowing thru small holes you will have wear the bildiesel is a great cleaner maybe to good so is all the products that you use in making the blend fuel

I think that the wear on the injectors is just some thing we need to be aware of.

Taking apart the injectors is some thing I wont do I would replace them and have the old ones looked at that is just to scary for me to think about doing I am sure that its just fine but for me no thanks. when I had the injectors pulled this year they looked ok for wear the shop that I had them done at thought they looked good also. not much difference in mine compared to some others they had.



My thoughts are running vegoil is fine as long as the oil you have is filtered and then filtered some more and then filtered more the cleaner the oil is the better off you will be. running the engine for short trips not letting the engine get to full temp has to be the hardest thing on it. and starting the engine cold is also very hard on it I plug my truck in all the time in the winter its on all night, in the summer I use a timmer so its only on a few hrs in the am. this makes the engine start very easy.

I am very happy with what I have found out I think that running vegoil has its problems but really all fuels have problems it just the way it is.



I will be checking the oil and doing everthing I can to make sure the fuel I make and use is not hurting the engine any more then running #2 or any other fuel.



From March the only time I have run #2 was at the 4th of July and that was only two tanks so this has been the longest run on vegoil so far. there has been a little use of #2 for blending 6 weeks ago but it was only 5 gallons in about 20 gallons of veg oil (the first cold day had a plugged filter)



hope this helps

you should run only the amount of vegoil you think is right. no one can tell you what to do ,they can only give you their thoughts.



cj hall

 

[cj hall]

temps down to 15 and going down

hello all

Will winter is here the temps got down to 15 degs today the truck ran ok but the fuel pump was loud and the PSI was running around 6 psi took off and a 1/4 mile it was running but the fuel was hard to pump no PSI on gauge.



Stoped at the fuel place put in 2 gallons of reg gas about one gallon in to the tank the pump got back to the sounding like it was working and just a few seconds after that the engine started running great thought I would top of the tank with #2 only took 10 more gallons to fill it up.

Right now it got around 66% veg oil and 33% petrol in it,we are going to get a cold snap on monday night of tuesday not sure when but its look's like its going to be 6 degs for the high and 0 for the low.



I did get the ok from my great wife for the heated fuel tank and what ever else I need to get the fuel warm so I can burn this stuff all year. She wants this to work so she can burn it in her truck also. her truck and about 33 % veg oil in it and it started ok and I ran it today and its just fine in this weather.



oil change on the 04 is only 400 miles away so this should be first of next week.

I posted more pictures of the units that a build under the thread (Fuel Oil Filter) in this forum

will be posting on the new fuel tank and other happings as they come up.



cj hall

 

[cj hall]

Hello to all



The temp's are running in the teens all day and tonight they are going to go into the single numbers if not lower.



The truck ran great all day it was 12 degs this am and the temp gauge on the fuel line was at 25 when I started it this am . The temp got all the way up to 16 degs today my fuel was running around 75 degs, PSI in the am was 11 and ran there till the engine was fully warmed up then the psi was 14 to 17 all the time .

Getting all the stuff ready for the oil change later this week or the first part of next week. Got the Oil Sample Kit today at the Cat Dealer got 6 of them for 15. 75 each I did find out that you can get 50 of them for 525. 00 thats only 10. 50 each not a bad buy if you need them we could do a group buy on them if some one wants to just let me know. I would take ten of them.



Called Aero Tanks today,can get a 60 fuel tank for 665. 00 plus shipping. Not sure of the alumnized steel with the veg oil . just dont want to make any problems for my self.



Thanks for reading

cj hall

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[cj hall]

fuel

Hello to All



The temp was 0 degs and my fuel was at 12 degs must be picking up heat off the engine block it started great and is running just fine temp of fuel is running 54 degs after heating up engine to temp.



Its going to be a cold day here high of 5 degs and a posable low of -9 this is a good test of the fuel and the heating system I have for now.



cj hall

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update on fuel at 12 O clock the temp is 4 degs and driving the fuel temp was 65 degs. temp of fuel when started was 41 degs but did drop to 36 degs before going back up.



thanks

 

[cj hall]

fuel

hello to all



Last night the temp went to -11 degs this am the truck started great the temp was -5 and the fuel temp was 7 degs.

The truck is running great and by the time the engine is up to heat the fuel is running at 40 to 60 degs alot of the temp difference is caused by way the wind is blowing and how fast I drive down the roads.

Where the pump is mounted and it really in the best place it can be the wind and snow from the road takes it toll on the amount of heat that transfers to the fuel



thanks for reading



cj hall

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[Msilbernagel]

Hey cj,



Which formula are you using for the fuel... still with the DSE (your version) or have you switched to using IPA also? Sounds like your setup is working fantastic - especially at those temps. :--)



It hit the 20's here last night. Like yours, mine's running great, but I doubt I'll see the kind of temps you have almost every day. . Portland OR area stays pretty moderate.



Thanks for keeping us updated!



Mark

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hello to all



Last night the temp went to -11 degs this am the truck started great the temp was -5 and the fuel temp was 7 degs.

The truck is running great and by the time the engine is up to heat the fuel is running at 40 to 60 degs alot of the temp difference is caused by way the wind is blowing and how fast I drive down the roads.

Where the pump is mounted and it really in the best place it can be the wind and snow from the road takes it toll on the amount of heat that transfers to the fuel



thanks for reading



cj hall

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[cj hall]

fuel

hello mark



its nice hearing form you

the fuel is the same as dse blend i have not got the IPA as of yet thinking it should be here by now. will post as soon as i get it.

the fass fuel pump works great i will be posting on the heated tank as soon as i get going on it.



the temps are up today 25 degs this am no problems running this is the end of the cold snap this time. heard there is another one commimg soon.

the trucks are running just fine and if i have time today i will be getting the oil changed if not it will be done on friday.



thanks for reading



cj hall

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[cj hall]

temps

hello to all

temps holding at 19 in the day 0 at night



both trucks are running just fine oil change on 04 did not happen on friday but it should be done on monday if all goes as planed



nothing new to report



thanks for reading



cj hall

 

[Msilbernagel]

cj,



Do you have any trouble with the filters in your filter/blending setup getting too cold to function, or is the oil hot enough to fix that problem... ?



Thx,



Mark

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hello to all

temps holding at 19 in the day 0 at night



both trucks are running just fine oil change on 04 did not happen on friday but it should be done on monday if all goes as planed



nothing new to report



thanks for reading



cj hall

 

[cj hall]

Hello Mark

Yes if it get's below 30 degs its hard to get it moving I put a band heater on the drum and heat it for 15 mins then turn the pump on that takes care of the problem once it's thined then its not that big of a deal to get moving also the pump will put a few degs into the oil when pumping.

If you blend it warm then never stop blending /mixing then you should be ok as long as its not below 0 if it is then the only way to make it work is with heat.



This is the bigest problem with running this fuel all year long if you had a heated tank then I would think that this would work all year long thats what I am thinking at this time.



Nothing new to report on the fuel temps are in the fortys and I have about 200 gallons of oil needing to be picked up. Thinking about a lift gate for my wifes truck that would make picking up oil in the winter time easier than trying to pump it, I just dont know if I want to invest in one right now.



I also built a rolling cart for my 250 gallon oil tank it will have a bag filter on it also a pump to make transfering to the heating unit easier going to clean the oil twice before heating it up to rid it of water here are some pictures.



Thanks for reading



cj hall

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[cj hall]

fuel

hello to all



nothing new here waiting for oil tests to come back

I am making more fuel one batch done and one batch heating



Oil tank is now ready for more oil this weekend i will be out getting oil



thanks for reading



cj hall

 

[cj hall]

oil test on 05 dodge

Hello to all



I got the oil test back on my 05 dodge this is my wifes truck and it has 15,000 miles on it it also has been running the blend fuel up to75% at times but right now it has only about 5 gallons of blend and the rest is #2.



The test came back ok nothing needed at this time is what they are telling me,and this seems ok looking at the test from my 04 oil I saw the soot count way up on the 05



the soot count on the 04 is 13 on the scale that is the numbers of particals per ml ct/ml



the soot count on the 05 is 158 on the scale

the nit (nitration)is up also 0 on the 04 32 on the 05

sul (sulfation) is up also 18 on the 04 39 on the 05



no water/fuel/antifreeze in the oil this is good news



I think all of this soot in the oil is from the third event in the injection of the engine but this is just my thoughts and I will be trying to find out more on this.

Rest of the wear metals look about the same all but the fe (iron) this might be the difference in mileage on the engines.



Thanks for reading

 

[tgordon]

It is nice to see someone else willing to buck the system! I wish I had the resources to do what you are, thank you for sharing what you find.

 

[Msilbernagel]

cj,



Man, I like the way you build things! Looks 'commercial' grade. :-laf



With the temps here down into the high-20's, I've found that while the band heater works well for the oil in the drum, I've had to drop the filters into a bucket of hot water to get them warm enough for the oil to start flowing through them! I don't think my pump has the "oomph" to push cold oil through the filters. What is the pump you are using in the pictures with the 250-gal container, cj?



I keep the fuel and mixing away from the house, for safety, and to keep any mess away from Mama's turf! That also means I don't even get a heated garage to help keep things warm!



Mark

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Hello Mark

Yes if it get's below 30 degs its hard to get it moving I put a band heater on the drum and heat it for 15 mins then turn the pump on that takes care of the problem once it's thined then its not that big of a deal to get moving also the pump will put a few degs into the oil when pumping.

If you blend it warm then never stop blending /mixing then you should be ok as long as its not below 0 if it is then the only way to make it work is with heat.



This is the bigest problem with running this fuel all year long if you had a heated tank then I would think that this would work all year long thats what I am thinking at this time.



(snip). .



Thanks for reading



cj hall

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[cj hall]

pump and pictures

hello mark



the pump I use is from harbor freight the clear water pump for about 30 bucks same pump most others use to make biodiesel.



here' what the plumbing looks like did this this weekend this should pump right to the heating unit i will finnish this next week and try it out next weekend



for your filters try some heat tape the kind they use to keep water lines unfrozen on trailer houses get the good stuff some of them dont like running over them selfs,



good luck



thanks for looking



cj hall

 

[Msilbernagel]

cj,



Nice photos... How much pressure does the pump generate?



Thanks - my son-in-law had the same suggestion re: the heat tape. I'll do that next.



Regards,



Mark

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[cj hall]

pumps

Hello Mark



if you close of the valve to the tank and turn on the pump you can get 100 psi but its not a closed system so it never sees any presure I have seen cold oil around 40 degs run it up to 30 psi. there a svo person in bozeman that broke the basket on his filter the same blue ones i have with one of those pumps so you can build some psi. he now uses heat to get the oil thin then starts pumping it the pump will build heat in the oil but it takes some time to do.



thanks for reading



cj hall

 

[cj hall]

fuel tanks

Hello to All

I have been pricing out tanks for my 04 dodge what I have found is that all the tanks out there are made with aluminized steel this is fine but my thought is that when its welded the flash coating of aluminim will be burned of and if this is that would let the veg oil in to contact with the steel and this would be the start of where it would rust. I sure there are some other tank builders out there I have only found two transfer flow and aero tanks.



I did some reading on the stock tank on the dodge truck and I did find out that the tank should be able to handle 70 deg C thats around 175 degs F I am only planing on heating the tank to 80 degs f so this will be just fine. the other thing was to increase the amount of fuel on the truck.

I stoped buy the dodge dealer today and looked at a new C&C today nice looking truck not sure about the new engine and its use of all those hoses.

I did see that it has a 52 gallon fuel tank behind the rear wheels. I did not have a tape on me but I think that it will fit under the older trucks if thats the case I think I will be getting one for my truck I will be going out there later to do some harder looking at it.

have any of you thought about doing this also, or I am I just crazy.



If this is the case that would give me 87 gallons of fuel.

Both trucks are running great no problems with the cold weather so far this year.



thanks for reading



cj hall

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[cj hall]

oil in 04 test report

Merry Christmas to all



the oil test came today in the mail for the 04 dodge

( no action required)

(wear rate normal)

( suggest resample next normal interval )

I won't go in to all the things in the oil but here is a few of the main items



al (aulm) = 0

cd (cadmium) = 0

cr (crome) = 1

cu (copper) = 2

fe (iron) = 29

pb (lead) =2

ni (nickel) = 0

ag (silver) = 1

sn (tin) = 1

ti (titanium) = 0

v (vanadium) = 0



the report also has last test so I can see if things are changing

what I see is the only change the fe (iron ) is up from 17 parts per million to 29 ppm

All the rest are holding the same.



oil condition,

st (soot) 23

oxi (oixdation) 65

nit (nitration) 27

sul (sufur products) 49



note these are all up from last time 13/25/0/18 in same order

water/fuel/ glycol/ all negative



I will be getting more info on these to help me understand what all this means . THIS INFO WILL BE POSTED AS SOON AS I FIND OUT .



thanks for reading



cj hall