dse in truck 04-05 CTD

[cj hall]

fuel at 5 degs

Hello to All

HAPPY NEW YEAR

The weather turned a little colder the last few days it got down to 5 degs and the fuel did jell in the tank got the truck some #2 fuel around 9 gallons of fuel and that took care of the problem. the fuel mix is ok to around 19 degs but any lower then that it starts to jell with it just not working at around 10 degs,the heated fuel pump works but it just cant keep that much fuel heated.

I have found a fuel tank maker, have tryed to call them but with Christmas and New Years have not been able to get a hold of them. If the web site is right it looks like they make a 58 gallon tank for my truck it made of the same stuff as the OEM Tank so there would be no rust issues this will be good if it is true.

I will be heating my tank in the next two weeks,will post pics and give you what I find out about the bigger tank. if the new tank is what i think it is and can be shipped this week then this might be a little longer then two weeks.



thanks for reading



cj hall

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

CJ, if you get a tank figured out, how about adding some insulation or something around it to help retain heat?

 

[cj hall]

tanks for truck/ fuel/ oil

Hello to all

Good news I did get to talk to the tank people.

I have two tanks comming my way one for my truck and one for my wifes truck should be getting the heating unit the first part of next week. the heater is set to turn its self off at 80 degs the tank should be in late next week.

I did set my self up as a dealer for the tanks so I got a good price on them.

also I will be taking pics of the tanks and the install of the same. If this tank is built well I will be passing the price on to others if they would like a bigger tank for there trucks, time will tell on this.

The C and C tanks look like they will fit with some mods the price I got is in line with other tanks to add more fuel. Still looking and thinking about this .



Vaughn

I thought of insulation of the tank, just not sure what would hold up under there. will be looking in to that there is an auto repo company here in Billings that is running veg oil in there trucks and they heat the tanks without insulation and are having no problems keeping it hot so I am not sure its needed.

The trucks are running fine and will going to Cat Dealer today to talk about the engine oil results. will be posting later on that.



Thanks for reading



cj hall

 

[cj hall]

engine oil in trucks

Hello all

Went to the Cat Dealer today and talked to the person in charge of the oil analysis side of that dealership.



He and I had talked before about what I am doing, the few things he looks at is the Iron and the other wear metals in the oil sample. most of the other stuff is in the oil from the oil companys.



He told me that the oil in the 04 would be ok to run for 6000 to 8000 miles and that it would not be that hard on the engine. he also said that with the soot being low like it is the engine is running great and the fuel must be burning good once its in the engine, but he could not tell me if I was hurting the injectors or the pump but we both thought that if it was a problem I would have found out buy now.



On the 05 he thinks that I should be changing the oil in it at around 2500 miles becuase of the amount of soot in the oil its on the scale at 158 as the 04 is running 23 he told me what these numbers mean and it a very simple way of looking at the soot level in the oil. they spread the oil on a piece of glass and shine a light thru it the amount of light that gets thru is the level of clean oil and the rest is made up of soot,The numbers are on a scale of soot the oil is able to hold the numbers are not the percent they just are numbers like a scale

he has seen engines runing way higher soot numbers than the 05 and that is not that high the high numbers could be from the fuel,the fuel system, there are only a few things that cause it. Emission Controls are the major cause of high soot levels.

also the way it is driven could be a factor mostly in town stop and go short trips in town are hard on engines, we also talked about the third event on the fueling system and he thought that would bring up the soot level thats the major difference in the 05 engine.

He said as long as I am using an oil made of diesel engines I should be fine and because its a 15/40 that is a diesel oil. just thinks I should watch the soot levels and change the oil more often.

There is one other thing he ask about the oil and that is if you get some on your fingers and you rub it in to your skin and then wipe it off if it comes right off the oil is not all sooted up . but if you do the same thing and it stains your skin and its hard to get it off its time to get new oil.



I hope this helps everyone that is reading this post



My plan is to keep changing the oil at the 3000 mile mark on the 04 and start changing the oil on the 05 at 2500 miles. and testing the oil everytime tell we can get a good read on what is happing to the soot levels in it. i also well be looking at a few other things to be done on the 05 and the fueling system. i will keep everyone posted on this.



Thanks for reading



cj hall

 

[cj hall]

weather

Hello All



WOW its a little nippy out this am - 18 with wind chill -38 both trucks are fine and running great only 10 % fuel in the 05 and 33 % in the 04 .



Saw this one coming and got the fuel mix in to the trucks on tuesday.

Have a small test going on for fuel and what I have is two 5 gallons fuel cans with a 50/50 mix of blend fuel and Conoco Diesel and one with Cenex Diesel sitting out side to see what happend to the fuel when it gets cold so far its looks like the fuel is fine not getting thick and would be good at this temp.

looking at this fuel I might try 50/50 all the time in the winter on the 05 or I might just heat the tank like the 04 is going to have done to it.

I found 500 ppm fuel for mixing not sure why they have it but an not saying a thing about it,O by the way its cheaper than the 15 ppm cleaner (I will not call it fuel) by 7 cents per gallon ,and its not that green tint or red dye fuel so I am thinking it is the real stuff. I will check in to this today



News on the Heated Tank

Got the heating unit for the tank last night and the tank is shipping yesterday or today

Here is a picture of the heating unit this has a thermalbypass on it it heats to 80 degs and then bypasses the heating loop this should keep the fuel at a good temp to pump all the time will be putting in a 120 V inline tank heater for heating at night that will heat the fuel tank the heated fass pump and then back to the engine



the weather is going to the midwest so look out for the cold



Thanks for reading

cj hall



UPDATE YES IT IS 500 PPM FUEL

 

[Msilbernagel]

cj,



The temps around Portland OR / Vancouver WA area (I live about 1/2 hour north, NE of Battle Ground) hit in the 15F-19F range overnight. Last night I added enough WVO-mix to bring the mix up to a little more than 50% blend (balance #2 diesel: yea, a little bold) - but I'd read your post indicating that yours worked at 19F @ 50/50. . so I went for it.



Ran fine this AM (did have the block heater going). Started instantly - no smoke at all - the heater really helps that. Fuel pressure was normal at idle, but did pull a little less than 1psi lower during acceleration than I'm used to seeing. Given what I've seen with the new 15ppm fuel, it's more viscous than 500pm as far as I can tell, I can't say that the fuel pressure changed much with the added blend.



This is the coldest I've run the blended stuff - and I'm happy so far!



FYI - Mark

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[cj hall]

fuel in cold

Hello Mark



I have the fuel cans outside and the fuel was ok looking down to -25 below wind chill -48 + so one would think its ok at that temp. I would run it as long as the fuel line was warm as far as heating the line I dont really want to do that but indriect heating would be ok.

Sounds like your mix is running great I have not been able to get my IPA from Emerald in montana not sure why but I just might get the stuff here. its way more in cost but its here and I can go and get it. Kerosine is hard to find here the Refinerys here wont put there name on it they would rather make Jet A and sell it at 6. 00 per galllon or more.



cj hall

 

[cj hall]

trucks

hello to all



the trucks are running fine the cold weather is mostly gone running about 30 to 40 degs daytime and in to the teens at night



fuel tank has not been shipped as of yet rethinking the brand and might end up ordering some thing else i will post on what i decide to do buy the end of the week.



thanks for reading

cj hall

 

[Msilbernagel]

The fellow who supplies me Schaeffer's oil for the engine gave me a fuel sample container this week, so I could send it off to the lab for analysis. He was curious as to CFPP (etc) - and willing to pay and have it analyzed. I've got a batch ready to go, so I should get it mailed off this weekend. I'll post the results when I get them.



Although... -25 should get me by around here!



FYI - Mark

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Hello Mark



I have the fuel cans outside and the fuel was ok looking down to -25 below wind chill -48 + so one would think its ok at that temp. I would run it as long as the fuel line was warm as far as heating the line I dont really want to do that but indriect heating would be ok.

Sounds like your mix is running great I have not been able to get my IPA from Emerald in montana not sure why but I just might get the stuff here. its way more in cost but its here and I can go and get it. Kerosine is hard to find here the Refinerys here wont put there name on it they would rather make Jet A and sell it at 6. 00 per galllon or more.



cj hall

 

[cj hall]

update on heated fuel tanks

Hello to All



The Fuel tanks are in and I will be fitting them up in the truck to see if one has more room above it than the other



What has happened is that I ordered tanks from titan tanks and after some delay and outright being lyed to I did receive the tank for my truck I thought that I was never going to get it so I ordered a fuel tank from transfur flow.

this friday if things work out I will be pulling the stock tank and putting in the Titan or the Trans Flow hoping that one will work better for the space I need for the tank heater

both tanks look like very good products the trans flow tank is nice but heavy the titan is also a good looking product and is light but the poly tanks are thats why the truck companys use them.

my thoughts are that the poly tank is the one I will be trying first, lighter and then I wont worry about the alumasteel tank rusting where its been welded together



I will be taking pictures of the change over and posting them here after I get it done also I will be selling one of the new fuel tanks this should not take long to fine some one wanting to buy a new bigger fuel tank for there truck.



Both trucks are running fine and there has been no problems with either in the last few weeks the cold weather has made a problem for picking up used oil (frozen in the drums) but I am working on this also and have a few ideas to try before I give up for the winter on getting oil from them.



Thanks for reading



cj hall

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[cj hall]

heated tank is in and working

Hello to All



I did get a chance to install the tank and get this project done.

After looking at both tanks I thought that the Titan tank would be the one to use if there was room under the truck for the heater. after getting the stock tank out of the truck we lifted the new tank in to place looking for a place for the heater, this went really fast and a spot was found, its right befind the filler opening in the deapest part of the tank. I started to mount the heater in the tank and the owner of the diesel repair shop in Billings started to mod the pickup tube ,the stock tube is . 261 ID on the sending unit and is very hard to get any type of flow thru in it was been replaced by . 500 SS . 035 wall (. 430 ID) tube and fittings. if you are running a fass punp or any other type of performance pump this mod should be done the restictive pick up tube is the down side of the dodge diesel trucks and might be the cause of the lift pump problems they are having ,the way is was done leaves the pickup tube in the same area as the stock one but is much bigger. all in all the tank mod and pick up tube mod went well this will be done on my wifes truck this summer.

I have a few pictures of the tank and pick up tube. I will be getting a temp gauge on the tank and on the pump along with a rail pressure and fuel pump pressure.



hope this helps all who read this post

 

[cj hall]

heated tank and draw tube

Hello All



Here are a few more pictures of the tank.





Thanks for reading,



cj hall

 

[cj hall]

heated fuel tank

Hello to All



The tank is working great the fuel temp is running at 80 degs within 15 mins of start up this is hooked up to the cooling for the truck and is working great the heating lines running to the tank and fuel pump will be gettting a diesel fired heater in line (blue heat or another brand)and this will preheat the fuel tank and the pump in the AM so when its started the fuel and the lines are up to 80 degs also this will heat the cab and make starting easy in the cold weather.



the trucks are running fine the temps are in the high teens to mid 20s



cj hall

 

[Msilbernagel]

cj,



That puppy is so cold-tolerant, you'll be displacing sled-dogs at the Iditarod soon... :-laf



Nice handiwork with the tank fixtures! You adding them (completed tank assemblies, etc) as a second item in your product line?



Mark

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Hello to All



The tank is working great the fuel temp is running at 80 degs within 15 mins of start up this is hooked up to the cooling for the truck and is working great the heating lines running to the tank and fuel pump will be gettting a diesel fired heater in line (blue heat or another brand)and this will preheat the fuel tank and the pump in the AM so when its started the fuel and the lines are up to 80 degs also this will heat the cab and make starting easy in the cold weather.



the trucks are running fine the temps are in the high teens to mid 20s



cj hall

 

[cj hall]

lol

Hello Mark



If you saw the tube that come in the dodge tank you would want to change it . . 261 id cast from plastic or nylon Idont think it would pass much fuel thru it . the Fass pump has 1/2 inch ports on it ?????



My new way of thinking



58 gallon fuel tank 875. 00

heater for fuel tank 300. 00

new dip tube 100. 00



going past a fuel station with a full tank of heated veg oil priceless .



I don't think many people will go to this much work, but then there are some of us that will.



Any one need a new dip tube?



cj hall

 

[HallC]

Home Brew setup

CJ, I really enjoyed the chat today. After we chatted I figured I'd post some pictures of mine. You have surely set a goal for me to build one as nice as yours.



Sometimes it feels good to beat the system :-laf

 

[HallC]

Filter unit

CJ, where did you find your filter unit?

 

[cj hall]

blue filter

Hello C Hall



The filter system I use can be found on the internet and you can get them from me also, I have bought so many of then they are giving me a better price also I mod them a little on the lid so they don't leak. if you would to get a price on one give me a call or email me.



When you start making a lot of fuel the PVC pipe that you are using will not hold up for long be careful that you don't let it go to long. yes it will be ok for around 6 months but after that it wont the gasoline will break down the pvc and soften it up.



the best fitting to use would be stainless steel then black steel ,bronze,brass. hdpe fittings work fair.

pvc,copper,galv fittings abs fittings should not be used long term.



thanks for reading



cj hall

 

[cj hall]

your system

hello c hall

i ment to say that your system looks well thought out and should make good fuel.

the biggest thing about using used veg oil is the water in the oil and the filtering of the same you have a heat supply and you got the filterrig to work nice job on that . getting the oil over 250 degs will rid it of water but doing it in a plastic drum might not be the best thing. its hdpe poly and if i remember right it will only like heat up to around 175 or 180.

i think it might be better in a heavy steel drum with band heaters keeping the oil away from the heating unit. good luck with your fuel and please post if you find out any thing new.

TO ALL

There are a few people using this dse type of fuel BLENDING do you all think it might be a good idea to post pictures and talk about what we have leaned so far. this might just help other's brake the chain of crude oil . we can do it in this post or we can start a new one, its time! one thought a have had is an story in the tdr magizine its self that might get somepeople thinking about something new. I am just not a good story writer.



just let me know what if anything needs to be done



thanks for reading



cj hall

 

[cj hall]

update on 04 and 2001 2nd gen truck

hello to all



I just wanted to update the post the tank is working great as far as I can tell the dip tube is working great the pump is working and you cant hear it when the truck is running this is from the new dip tube the flow is better and the pump is running at 13. 5 psi all the time temp is running from 80 to 100 degs after the engine is up to temp. in the am after its been pluged in all night the fuel temp is 10 degs warmer then ouside temp there must be some convection heating taking place from the engine to the tank. the trucks are running great also.



one other thing the person that has been helping me with this project has just bought a 2001 dodge diesel and we are planing to start running it on this blend fuel also we have a fass pump on order for it and will be getting a tank heater as soon as we can this will be another test for the blend and we are both looking forward to posting the findings on this truck.



Thanks for reading



cj hall