dse in truck 04-05 CTD

[cj hall]

jeeeeep

Hello Mark



I can almost smell it .



Thanks

cj hall

 

[Msilbernagel]

Yeah... I love the smell of flash-oxidized partially hydrogenated soybean oil in the morning. Smells like... victory!!! Oo.



Mark

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Hello Mark



I can almost smell it .



Thanks

cj hall

 

[cj hall]

fuel and oil

Hello Mark and to all



victory over big oil !!!!!

that makes it even sweeter



The oil test came back today everything is fine with the oil (wear rate normal)

only thing I see is the soot level is up could be the winter time fuel. more kerosine is used and more time idleing looking foward to spring. also did run more diesel #2 up till the heated fuel tank install next oil change should be better.



Soot level to 78 up from 23 so its only half of my 05 at 158

looking at her oil I think a bypass filter is in order might just get two of them.



200 Gallon storage tank in house. rolling rack in the works. pictures to be posted when done. more tanks on order



cj hall

 

[cj hall]

Hello All

The fuel is working just fine with the Jet A , I have burned about 30 gallons of it in my 04. 15 gallons of it in my wifes 05 and 20 gallons of it in my friends 01.



There seems to be a lot of talk about running biodiesel(Homemade and Store Bought) in newer cr engines (see the new posts on this) and I dont know the reasons behind this. Seems the issue is with the lube on the IP and Injectors? but with the new ulsd its the same issue ? Could it be that the item they take out of the veg oil to make biodiesel could be what is needed in the fuel to make things run right, and lube right. If this is the case then maybe one should run just plain old veg oil.

But the real problem is telling your self it will work (right boys and girls) I would love to pull the ip pump on my truck and see if there is and damage yet or any, but a long time ago I was told some thing buy my Dad he told me IF IT IS NOT BROKE DONT FIX IT. So I think I will not fix it.

 

[cj hall]

fuel

Hello to All



Really nothing to report the trucks all three of them are running just fine.

Got the last three gauges for my truck rail press / press ,temp / temp, rearend / trans temp just need to put them all in also have a DD trans pan and a rear end cover that have been installed so hooking up that gauge will go easy. the others will take some time



the temp / temp will be for the fuel tank and fuel temp at the pump.

the rail press is for that and the press will be the fass fuel pump.



Did get a fass pump for my wifes truck so that is starting to come together.



Will post pic after they get installed



cj hall

 

[Msilbernagel]

cj,

The rail pressure ought to be interesting! Do you think it will have diagnostic uses?

Thx,

Mark

 

[cj hall]

Hello Mark

The rail press gauge might be usefull in finding out if programers mess with the rail press or not. just trying to get the most info and also might give some idea if the ip pump is working right.



the fuel press at pump and one at ip will tell me if the lift is working or not and if the ip is working to good and sucking the line dry if thats the case then a bigger line could be added before any damage would be done. thats what i am thinking



The temp gauges are just for making sure the heaters are working and keeping the fuel thin it a lot of info and sometimes its nice to have most of the time its just messes with you and makes you think the worst. Then after I get a good base line on diesel fuel I can start tweaking the blend fuel to get the best preformance out of it.



alll the other gauges are just for the fun of it.



My wifes truck will have two SPA Gauges the egt/boost and fuel press /temp

after running the smarty downloader , (EVERYONE NEEDS ONE BY THE WAY)

I really think the egt gauge is a must if running up a steep grade or messing around and the high settings one can see 1400+ degs on the egt gauge.



cj hall

 

[Msilbernagel]

cj,

Look forward to hearing more. I can see how all the 'telemetry' can help take the guesswork out of this experimentation with alternative fuels. I got a ScanGauge II this week, and it's nice having that window into the engine!

BTW - I located a source of "transformer oil" today. A friend works for the power company and occasionally gets (55gal drum in this case) a batch as part of their maintenance work. I'll be interesting to see how it burns.

... and, he promises, there aren't PCBs in that stuff any more. Wouldn't *that* be nasty!

TTFN,

Mark

 

[DBond]

CJ

This is an intersting thread and project you are trying. I have read a lot of it, but it is hard to put it all in prospective.

If you could write a short summary of the truck / fuel history it would be very useful to me, and I think others too.

I am thinking of;

date started,

miles on the trucks at start,

miles on trucks now,

modifications to the trucks & when,

gallons of fuel used,

amount of fuel that was veg oil,

issues / problems that you have had,

etc

Thanks

 

[cj hall]

Truck And Fuel

Hello DBond and to All



The main truck is a 2004 dodge at the time of starting this the truck was stock but was running a dr p stage 4 chip. the fuel is a blend of vegoil /kero gas/power service/ dse additive (note I make my own additive that is the same thing they sell but is way cheaper). and yes I think it need to be in the fuel after seeing what it does when you mix in and knowing what it is.



It had 29,000 miles on it and the first tank of fuel went in it on oct 31 2005

the truck has 54,500 miles on it and the mods are really only a few.



Fass Pump, heated for fuel in winter that was in June or July of 2006.

Gauges for keeping track of the Temp and Press of fuel Sept of 2006.

Smarty Downloader for performance not really needed but I wont give it up! in Oct of 2006. The Heated Fuel Tank in Feb of 2007 its a bigger tank and its heated with an Arctic Fox Heater ,this is for running the fuel all year long with no problems in the winter , have been able to run this 100 blend fuel at -10 degs with no problems.



Not sure of the amount of fuel that has been used ,have three trucks running this will make at least 1 batch a week and some times more so I would think 200+ gallons a month for the last year.



The blend in my truck is 100 % so thats 85% veg oil my wifes is at 75% blend and the 01 dodge is at 50% but this week we are trying 75% blend



Issues would be Jelling in the winter and losing lift pumps other than that nothing with the truck longest road trip was 1100 miles just a month or so ago small issue with the fass pump but I think it was a filter issue not a pump issue.



the biggest problem is getting the right oil and getting it filtered right. most of the problem you will have with running veg oil in your truck is because of the bad filtering of the oil/ yes a have pluged filters but only the stock ones the fass filters have never pluged they did jell once but it was 10 degs and snowing and the wind chill was at -15 degs 5 gallons of #2 and 3 gallons of gasoline fixed that problem in about 30 mins.



I have learned a lot in the last year and a half about fuel and other things and I am sure I will be learning more as time goes on. but with fuel prices at 3. 099 per gallon and this stuff at . 56 per gallon I will be making my fuel for a long time.



hopes this helps



cj hall

 

[DBond]

CJ



Thanks for the summary. That gives me a good overview.

Just to make sure I understand this, when you refer to the blends, your wifes truck running "75%" that other 25% is regular #2 diesel? In which case it would be 64% veg oil, 11% additives, and 25% #2, right?

Is there a probelm running her truck at "100%" like yours?

Oh, and how many miles has the wifes truck gone on the blended fuel?

Have you had any injectors looked at for deposits/wear or similar checks done? oil analysis shown anything?



I imagine ssome of these questions have been answered in the thread, but even if I tried to read through it all, I would end up missing some things.



thanks

dave

 

[cj hall]

Blends

Hello Dave



Yes that's right it is mixed with #2 diesel and the problem with her truck its a 2005 and the computer running the injection has 3 events in each powerstroke, the first one when the piston is coming up thru the compression this makes it not rattle some much then the main event and then there is one more small injection after the main one this is to cool off the charge and fuel the cat for cleaner emishions. this last event when running this fuel on this truck makes it smoke if the cat is on the truck, it does not smoke as bad now. and this is the main reason I only run it at 75%. her truck had 12000 miles on it when I started and it has 18000 on it today we take my truck more because it runs this fuel better and its cheaper to run.



The other thing with running my wifes truck on this is the lift pump is still stock , just got the FASS unit to fix it but I want to heat the tank and do a few other things to it when I put the new lift pump in it. i need to find a computer for a 04 truck,a smarty unit,for the 05 I would like to put blueheat units on both trucks for preheating the engines and heating the fuel up the wamer for keep the engine and fuel the better it starts this is better than trying to start it cold.



I do oil checks eveytime I change the oil in both of my trucks and they are both fine the 05 is a lot harder on the oil than the 04 and again its the third event. The soot levels in the 05 are running 158 on the scale and the 04 is running 74 on the scale. Cat Oil Services thinks I need to change the 05 oil around 2500 miles and the 04 is good for around 8000 miles. thinking a soot filter on her truck but I just dont know witch one to get.



The injectors have been pulled on the 04 and there are pictures in this post showing them we looked down the injectors holes and you could see the burn pattern on the piston so all looked good when we did this also the inside of the engine was very clean the person that did thie injector pull had no idea what fuel was beening used but he thought some thing was up when he saw the injectors and how clean the engine was. INJECTOR PICTURES ARE ON PAGE 9 AND 10 OF THIS POST



the post is very long,there is a ton of info in there but the biggest thing is the filtering of the oil. this will make or break the outcome of running this fuel.



hope this helps you



cj hall

 

[Msilbernagel]

Hello Everyone,



I picked up the transformer oil today, and learned a little more about its composition. It is Univolt N 61 B, which is more generically:



HYDROTREATED LIGHT NAPHTHENIC 100 DISTILLATE (PETROLEUM) (CAS 64742-53-6). No real toxic issues - it's essentially 'mineral oil'.



Its a collection of carbon number(s) C15-C30; by comparison #2 ULSD is C10-C28. It has a higher specific gravity (little thicker) and slightly higher BTU in combustion than #2. (For info on BTU content, see: http://www.wrapair.org/forums/msf/projects/offroad_diesel_retrofit/V2-S10_Final_11-18-05.pdf )



Auto-ignition temp is somewhat higher than #2 - 600F . vs. 475F.



The fellow I got it from told me that his friend burns in in his rig; seems to work fine. He didn't mention percentages, but the specific gravity of this oil is right on the line between #4 and #2 diesel so it won't be a 'thinner' per-se!



I'll let you know how it burns. I mixed a batch of blend last night, 30-gals since I only had enough RUG for that much (on hand). That leaves me with enough room in the drum to toss some of this in and see how it burns at 5%, 10%, etc.



If you are interested, you might look for local sources. The supply here is from a shop that rebuilds electrical transformers and switches for the power companies. They seem to have a need to get rid of quantities fairly regularly. Filter it well, it can have some carbon content from arcing...



FYI - Mark

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BTW - I located a source of "transformer oil" today. A friend works for the power company and occasionally gets (55gal drum in this case) a batch as part of their maintenance work. I'll be interesting to see how it burns.



... and, he promises, there aren't PCBs in that stuff any more. Wouldn't *that* be nasty!



Mark

 

[cj hall]

transformer oil

Hello Mark



So how much of this oil can you get ?

It sounds like it should work great.

keep us posted





cj hall

 

[Msilbernagel]

cj,



When I was there yesterday, it sounded like there was a significant supply. He mentioned having another 100 gallons from the previous day.



Two of the last concerns I had was how well it burns, and what is the lubricity? It feels much slicker - like 3-in-1 oil.



Turns out this stuff is used as a lubricant in refrigerants and machine shops, so I think it exceeds #2 by itself - though I'd like to find an objective measure such as the 'scuff' test used for fuels (e. g. ASTM D 6078-Evaluating lubricity of diesel fuels by the scuffing load ball-on-cylinder lubricity evaluator (SLBOCLE) or HFRR)



I filled the Sub with a standard batch last night, and added 10% of the mineral oil. .



Ran great so far, so I'm encouraged.



Mark

hello mark



so how much of this oil can you get ?

it sounds like it should work great.

keep us posted





cj hall

 

[cj hall]

fuel in a ford

Hello to All



Ya I know helping a Ford Owner what can I say.

He has been thinking about this for some time and I think with the fuel prices at 3. 099 he just could not take it any more anyway he came over and was talking and then he asked if he could try my fuel in his truck I told him sure ask how much fuel he had in his tank he thought about 10 gallons so we thought 10 gallons of blend would work we put in in the truck and off he went.

I did tell him to go buy some spare filters because the gunk in his tank is going to come out and to call me if he has any problems .

if he didnt like the way it was running just fill the tank thats really not enuff to hurt anything.



This was at 2 oclock today. .

cj hall

 

[Msilbernagel]

cj,



Another happy convert... my son-in-law asked me if the stuff would run in their family tractors the other day. :-laf



Mark

 

[cj hall]

farmers and fuel

Hello Mark



If he has land he shoud be growing his own fuel right !!!



Give him some to try he will see the light.



cj hall

 

[cj hall]

Fuel Update

Hello to all

the trucks are running just fine and the only thing to report on is i have had some blending issues with #2 ULSD have any of the rest of you had any issues?

I have a batch of oil that will not mix and all it does is sink making the ULSD float. its only in the 2001 truck at this time and we did mix it with some reg gas today about 15 gallons of oil and 3 gallons of gas. the truck is running just fine. Might have to run some tests on this oil to make sure its ok.



I have been trying to get a few storage tanks for this winter so I can get a stock pile of oil well I got TWO 275 gallon totes today kinda out of the blue and they cost me zero. I like the price. this should help me store some oil for later on.



thanks for reading



cj hall

 

[cj hall]

ford and fuel

Hello to All

I talked to my friend today and he is very happy with the blend fuel. He came over and we put 15 gallons in his truck so he is running it at 65%.

If this runs the way it did before looks like I will be setting up a unit or two for his work place and getting his trucks ready for winter he has 2 Ford trucks and the one he drives is working great on this fuel.



Still not sure why the fuel did not mix with the diesel fuel in the 01 Dodge but the oil he got tonight is the same oil so this should be fun to see if his truck is ok. his truck has a FASS pump on it so we are thinking just that alone will mix the fuel better. that might be the problem. the 01 Dodge is working just fine now so its a brain tester for me.



Thanks for reading

cj hall