Attention: TDR Forum Junkies well after having them for a month a lot of folks may be interested to what the final results are and a few folks around have already heard the situation at hand which is a bit touchy. Everyone knows the first 3 sets that went out were to m lockner and m simonian and then me. Well there is some results to post and i'm giving the others also the opportunity to chime in since we all had them installed and i know for a fact we have all been on the dyno. I believe it should proove very interesting. I have address the issue and pushed it but with no resolution in sight it's pretty grim. I made sure to wait to the responses before posting anything on here but i've always been one to speak my mind and i do my best to keep in as straight up as i can but i can't and won't sit quietly any longer after not getting any further upon the issues addressed i feel that i should post my results so that nobody else makes this mistake like i did. If you don't believe it like i said ask any of the other 2 guys.
I'll say it drives better and i thought it would have more power well i lied. It gained an amazing 4 hp for heck of a deal too. It was like 6000 dollars installed with head studs and also with ats manifold and i guess i had the cp3 retapped on that bill also. I have always spoken highly of everyone who does me right on here and now i've been quiet to give them a chance to work with this situation and to be honest i'm no further now then when we started. So if this is the truth there should be no problem in me airing it.
so with that in mind i decided to put a little survey out there of course it's only an unbiased survey call it like u see it with no favortism or prefferential thinking in your decision. Not only was the setup not what we expected it was a sad sad showing all around. We had originally planned to have them installed on the greeley dyno day in order to show up and dominate with a new setup. Good thing we didn't what were we going to dominate a fig newton. Now the installer can't seem to understand why someone would be upset after paying 6K for nothing if little at best. He stated that i was out to ruin him. Ruin him can u believe that i just was raped for 6K and i'm ruining him. That's not even right, and even the most demented mind cannot explain how someone would even come to a conclusion like this. We paid months in advance and then waited and waited and got the run around and then got some turbo which basically was not what we were led to believe and now the installer is basically trying to backtrack and in his own words stated " i told u that this would be a neat kit and u chose it" A neat kit wow I was hoping that there were some other neat things out there. There is nothing neat about 1500 per hp. not at all. So you can see i bit my lip for a month in order to get the issue solved and it's not even been addressed. So i feel that being a consumer i owe it to the folks on here to post the factual data.
we were with a sledpuller a 1700 dollar turbo from paul at htt who is a man who will make sure and do what he says and so far has always made good on everything i've ever gotten from him.
with that on we put down 587 and something like 1136 not bad for 3rd gen single #2 only right
now with those twins which were almost 6K installed we threw this down on the same dyno with the same operator hold on are you ready folks for this big display which was to be unleashed at the greeley dyno day we were able to unleash a whopping 592 folks that's right no applause please it's true it's true and for torque u ask we had 1147 oh my god stay seated folks it's ok i put my pants on one leg at a time like everyone else. 11 more foot pounds and 4 hp man oh man now don't everyone line up to buy these things at once. I don't wanna start a riot with everyone running to purchase these all at once. Not only that you wouldn't believe the overall service that they include with this install.
examples u may ask, how about not even returning emails regarding the problem or even trying to address fixing it because of the busyness of the schedule and then u find out that the old turbo u gave to the installer which was just as good had only 5 K mileage on it was already installed in a new rig. Isn't it funny to see how there is no time to work on the others which are already paid months in advance and got robbed but we also find out our old products are already installed by the same guy who can't take the time to address any issues that may be wrong with these.
Now this could be an issue that may work itself out but in order for that to happen they have to address it. It hasn't been yet and i'm not so sure it will be but if they do fix the flaw if that's what it is, then i'll be sure to come right back on this page and tell that to everyone. But after telling them in writing to put my truck back the way it was and give me my cash back it was met with nothing from that end. So i responded again in writing to make sure that they want to make this decision or at least give a counter offer. Something along the lines of a discount a bargain a reduced rape approach. I didn't get these twins to be neat or fancy i got them to add hp and not 4 and i cannot believe this is even an issue. I am no longer waiting for these folks to do whatever if anything. I will now fully address the issue to the best of my ability and I will not keep quiet about it and i'm not gonna try and save anyone's rep. So mr bob i guess where we go from here sir.
Anyone who doesn't believe it ask lockner the colorado chapter pres right. is that the official title. He knows he even pm'd me and told me his results so feel free to ask him. Also ask mike he has results we are about the same power for several months now and what do you know they didn't do much on his either. I don't know exactly but he may have only gained like 30, i'm not sure i thought he was saying that he's not dynoing as high now as he was with the single. Hell i had a stock manifold with 587 so would i get 5 hp with the ats manifold. and 11 ft torque with the ats manifold could it be. If it is so then guess what I paid 6K to lose power yeah that's neat isn't it. about as neat as a wet fart wearing shorts.
So no more hiding the info from people this is what it did and this is how it was responded to after just over a month of being there. I could have used my money to light on fire at least then i could of kept warm and actually got some benefit from it .
so my question is regardless of who did the work and what brand it was and all that crap. If u spent 6K for headstuds and manifold and twins installed and added 4 hp with 11 ft torque would u be upset. Feel free to elaborate too would u have been angry right away do you feel i've waited too long and how do you think i should respond to a premium price product with subpar in fact borderline negative performance.
Oh yeah it's true it's damn true.
Way to go to bat for us bob
I'll say it drives better and i thought it would have more power well i lied. It gained an amazing 4 hp for heck of a deal too. It was like 6000 dollars installed with head studs and also with ats manifold and i guess i had the cp3 retapped on that bill also. I have always spoken highly of everyone who does me right on here and now i've been quiet to give them a chance to work with this situation and to be honest i'm no further now then when we started. So if this is the truth there should be no problem in me airing it.
so with that in mind i decided to put a little survey out there of course it's only an unbiased survey call it like u see it with no favortism or prefferential thinking in your decision. Not only was the setup not what we expected it was a sad sad showing all around. We had originally planned to have them installed on the greeley dyno day in order to show up and dominate with a new setup. Good thing we didn't what were we going to dominate a fig newton. Now the installer can't seem to understand why someone would be upset after paying 6K for nothing if little at best. He stated that i was out to ruin him. Ruin him can u believe that i just was raped for 6K and i'm ruining him. That's not even right, and even the most demented mind cannot explain how someone would even come to a conclusion like this. We paid months in advance and then waited and waited and got the run around and then got some turbo which basically was not what we were led to believe and now the installer is basically trying to backtrack and in his own words stated " i told u that this would be a neat kit and u chose it" A neat kit wow I was hoping that there were some other neat things out there. There is nothing neat about 1500 per hp. not at all. So you can see i bit my lip for a month in order to get the issue solved and it's not even been addressed. So i feel that being a consumer i owe it to the folks on here to post the factual data.
we were with a sledpuller a 1700 dollar turbo from paul at htt who is a man who will make sure and do what he says and so far has always made good on everything i've ever gotten from him.
with that on we put down 587 and something like 1136 not bad for 3rd gen single #2 only right
now with those twins which were almost 6K installed we threw this down on the same dyno with the same operator hold on are you ready folks for this big display which was to be unleashed at the greeley dyno day we were able to unleash a whopping 592 folks that's right no applause please it's true it's true and for torque u ask we had 1147 oh my god stay seated folks it's ok i put my pants on one leg at a time like everyone else. 11 more foot pounds and 4 hp man oh man now don't everyone line up to buy these things at once. I don't wanna start a riot with everyone running to purchase these all at once. Not only that you wouldn't believe the overall service that they include with this install.
examples u may ask, how about not even returning emails regarding the problem or even trying to address fixing it because of the busyness of the schedule and then u find out that the old turbo u gave to the installer which was just as good had only 5 K mileage on it was already installed in a new rig. Isn't it funny to see how there is no time to work on the others which are already paid months in advance and got robbed but we also find out our old products are already installed by the same guy who can't take the time to address any issues that may be wrong with these.
Now this could be an issue that may work itself out but in order for that to happen they have to address it. It hasn't been yet and i'm not so sure it will be but if they do fix the flaw if that's what it is, then i'll be sure to come right back on this page and tell that to everyone. But after telling them in writing to put my truck back the way it was and give me my cash back it was met with nothing from that end. So i responded again in writing to make sure that they want to make this decision or at least give a counter offer. Something along the lines of a discount a bargain a reduced rape approach. I didn't get these twins to be neat or fancy i got them to add hp and not 4 and i cannot believe this is even an issue. I am no longer waiting for these folks to do whatever if anything. I will now fully address the issue to the best of my ability and I will not keep quiet about it and i'm not gonna try and save anyone's rep. So mr bob i guess where we go from here sir.
Anyone who doesn't believe it ask lockner the colorado chapter pres right. is that the official title. He knows he even pm'd me and told me his results so feel free to ask him. Also ask mike he has results we are about the same power for several months now and what do you know they didn't do much on his either. I don't know exactly but he may have only gained like 30, i'm not sure i thought he was saying that he's not dynoing as high now as he was with the single. Hell i had a stock manifold with 587 so would i get 5 hp with the ats manifold. and 11 ft torque with the ats manifold could it be. If it is so then guess what I paid 6K to lose power yeah that's neat isn't it. about as neat as a wet fart wearing shorts.
So no more hiding the info from people this is what it did and this is how it was responded to after just over a month of being there. I could have used my money to light on fire at least then i could of kept warm and actually got some benefit from it .
so my question is regardless of who did the work and what brand it was and all that crap. If u spent 6K for headstuds and manifold and twins installed and added 4 hp with 11 ft torque would u be upset. Feel free to elaborate too would u have been angry right away do you feel i've waited too long and how do you think i should respond to a premium price product with subpar in fact borderline negative performance.
Oh yeah it's true it's damn true.
Way to go to bat for us bob
