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Hey Don, no stab at you there. I was just using that as a reference to Mitchell. A lot of people talk about his stuff and his truck, but he doesn't do what we do. Also, how come we don't hear about many people with his stuff?



I've heard numbers on his truck... they were quite low for his success, so I'm not sure they are true. I'd rather witness it first hand, or hear about it from someone that did what that thing makes.



Maybe he can beat us, maybe he can't... I'm willing to put up or shut up, to find out.
 
You companys, one who sells the best, the other is a calling card....

From what I have heard (meaning that it is probly not true), Dave wont open his hood because of compition reasons. He wants to win, and that's all their is to it. I am sure that the M-Train is pretty stripped down for this reason also. I know that Lorreata has a TDR membership, but RARLY posts on this site. I do know that she is a lot more active on the Diesel-central forums though. Briar Hopper knows them kinda I think, as well as Gene M. . Dave would have to switch his tires though, I can't immage that Boggers would be good on a dyno run.



More trucks that should be in this absolute Dyno-To-The-Death event is the truck from Autowurks, and the Schields truck. I know Autowurks huffed a turbo and have not heard from them since, but from what I hear they have quite a few ponnies aswell. The Schields truck I hear is in the ballpark at least for the M-Train, but that's nothing more then rumors agin.



Just more diesel for the fire I guess,:D

Andrew



P. S. Remember whatJoseph Donnelly said on the Cam thread about "The Ohio Pullers" made "403 hp on the TST dyno. " I don't belive that but... it's Joe... . he wouldn't lie to us would he?
 
403 is the number Mark @ TST told me. I would imagine they would make more hp now, and I feel the Dynojet is more accurate for higher hp Rams where traction is a problem on dual roller dynos. I was stirring the pot to get their fan club's attention :D



Let us also recall that Diesel Dynamics trucks, and Sickly [sort of adopted by DD as a valve-impaired poster Ram] as well, are daily drivers and we are committed to driveability and more or less stock rpm ranges. The world of competitive pulling trucks is very different, with double the rpm, etc. We all know torque x rpm = hp. High rpm modified Cummins B engines "should" have a big edge in the hp world, but not real practical for longevity and fuel mileage in daily driving.
 
Originally posted by Joseph Donnelly

403 is the number Mark @ TST told me. I would imagine they would make more hp now, and I feel the Dynojet is more accurate for higher hp Rams where traction is a problem on dual roller dynos. I was stirring the pot to get their fan club's attention :D



High rpm modified Cummins B engines "should" have a big edge in the hp world, but not real practical for longevity and fuel mileage in daily driving.



But you have got to admit that that truck is just too much fun to watch the video of, and look at the pic. :D :cool:



Joe, I know you said that Mark would not lie to you, and I don't think he would either, but do you really belive that he only has 403hp in that thing? If he is running a higher RPM, and we all know he is, then shouldn't he have a higher # by way of the formula that is T x RPM=HP. With a higher RPM, it would have to be a LOW torque # for such a low HP #.



Am I making since???:confused:



Andrew
 
OK, so how close to the bottom of the list was I?

Well, there were 8 guys @ 400+.....



How many of us were in the "I want 300!" crowd?

"Tiny" rolled 268... That was compared to 13 months ago at 254 w/ no addn'l BOMBing... just another 30K of break-in, so I copped 1 HP/month just by driving!!! :)



(still fantasizing about a "hot-sh(insert vowel here)t" torque converter to handle mo'powah, and then doing bigger turbo, injectors, and plate for 350-400-ish... . Could the old S&H greenstamps be used to get that kinda stuff?
 
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first off i want to thank joe, and the guys from dynojet. hats off to dd, they hooked up all the trucks and lawerence drove them all. and there was a ton of trucks.



here is what happened with my truck. kurt and i have been working on his new turbo, and i told him i wanted a big housing so i could make some good #'s. the housing works great on the street, but on the dynojet there wasn't enough load to spool the turbo. i just got this housing on so i didn't test it at all. if i would have known i could have had lawerence load my truck with the brake to build some boost. all i did on this run was #2.



for my 2nd run i was going to try kurts smaller housing but it wasn't a direct bolt in. i had planned on trying a run with everything on, but before i could make my 2nd run the dyno got tired and gave up for the day.



i left pahrump when the dyno broke and drove straight to silverstate motorsports to try and dyno but they were closed. so on my way home i will be stopping in idaho to dyno my truck. i will let you know how it goes.



lawerence and his crew did a great job on those #'s. but when your on top you always have a bullseye on your back. ;)



jim
 
Originally posted by KLockliear





I've heard numbers on his truck... they were quite low for his success, so I'm not sure they are true. I'd rather witness it first hand, or hear about it from someone that did what that thing makes.








No you haven't Keith! And Joe, it did not wind us up, because it is just plain ridiculous. A misleading little story, for laughs.



Stefan,

I never asked to look under the hood. If I did look or you did, what could you see? A 12 valve with two turbos and a P-pump.

No propane, no nitrous.



The White Dodge is a rolling R&D machine, so I would say no, you could not buy what he is running NOW, but in the near future. But you can buy the stuff that has been tested.

What do they have to offer? Check their website. Call for pricing, how far do you want to pull that sled?LOL!



It was ok for DD not to show their cam, unless they do the install, but you want Daves guts on the table, eh?



I doubt they could make May Madness, that is a busy time of the year down there, but I bet they would make Scheids.



And yea, where is the rest of the TDR HP advertisers?

Gene
 
Originally posted by Stefan Kondolay

Personally, after weighing all my options I want Diesel Dynamics P-Pump set-up like on Lawrences truck. Unfortunately I don't have the $$$ flow. :( :( But at least I have the options.



Ask your dad for a raise? :D



Are y'all going to May Madness next year? Dropping truck off at Diesel Dynamics for a lil work to be done to it. And want to make sure I have the transmission set up properly. Its holding pretty good so far and I don't baby it.
 
Originally posted by MGM

No you haven't Keith! And Joe, it did not wind us up, because it is just plain ridiculous. A misleading little story, for laughs.



Stefan,

I never asked to look under the hood. If I did look or you did, what could you see? A 12 valve with two turbos and a P-pump.

No propane, no nitrous.



The White Dodge is a rolling R&D machine, so I would say no, you could not buy what he is running NOW, but in the near future. But you can buy the stuff that has been tested.

What do they have to offer? Check their website. Call for pricing, how far do you want to pull that sled?LOL!

Gene



Dang Gene, do you get a commission or something? :)
 
Attitude 101

Stefan,,One would only have to admire your young and sticking your chest out attitude on this auto vs stick deal,,I of course realize where I am at and have always known even thogh you think not,,You say about not getting that type of attitude and all you have shown here is the same,,The only point I am trying to get through your head is a easy one,,Never and I mean never feel you are not going to be beat by a stick truck because its that same attitude that will give you the biggest let down of your "racing career",,See somewhere out there ,reading your rather overloaded posts and lofty claims, there is a stick truck with the same mods as yours with a driver that can row his manual trannie as slick as buttering a piece of bread that WILL educate you as far as a stick truck WILL run around you,,See the way I see it,you think,no,you know your truck is "unbeatable"by a evenly prepared manual truck and the beating will happen,all I can hope for is the person that hands it to you is from here so we all know the whole story,,By the way,as for the not seeing under the hood goes,do I detect some fear here??,,Worried that somebody else may have something you do not??,,Easy way to settle it,MUNCIE,,I think the three way dance is the way to do it(drags,sled pull and dyno shot),,Need some rules though, like this for example... ... .

1-Tagged,inspected and current insurance card

2-ALL factory equipment in tact and working

3-Engine compartment sealed at start of competition by a judge and only allowed to be unsealed in the event of breakage and repairs made in an area to be witnessed by a judge so no more changes are made

4-Street tires only,equal pressures for all trucks,no race tires and no modifications to tread or compound,also the same tires WILL be used for ALL events(this will eliminate the need for extra tires giving the little guys who do not play with cubic money a chance)

5-Trucks will be run at the FACTORY spec'd shipping weight,thus ruling out lightweight parts or panels

6-#2 fuel ONLY,single turbo charger no NO2 or Propane allowed

7-ALL competitors WILL run a set street milage run BEFORE any competition will begin after the tech men had sealed engine compartment thus making a level playing field for all those involved

8-Trucks will be grouped equally by mods/dyno numbers for competition

This will give some of us guys who lack cubic money to compete with the others and allow the real question to be answered,auto or stick who's better(Or maybe who's going to drive around the auto),,Just a few ramblings,any takers on it????
 
Re: Attitude 101

Originally posted by Hammer

1-Tagged,inspected and current insurance card

2-ALL factory equipment in tact and working

3-Engine compartment sealed at start of competition by a judge and only allowed to be unsealed in the event of breakage and repairs made in an area to be witnessed by a judge so no more changes are made

4-Street tires only,equal pressures for all trucks,no race tires and no modifications to tread or compound,also the same tires WILL be used for ALL events(this will eliminate the need for extra tires giving the little guys who do not play with cubic money a chance)

5-Trucks will be run at the FACTORY spec'd shipping weight,thus ruling out lightweight parts or panels

6-#2 fuel ONLY,single turbo charger no NO2 or Propane allowed

7-ALL competitors WILL run a set street milage run BEFORE any competition will begin after the tech men had sealed engine compartment thus making a level playing field for all those involved

8-Trucks will be grouped equally by mods/dyno numbers for competition

This will give some of us guys who lack cubic money to compete with the others and allow the real question to be answered,auto or stick who's better(Or maybe who's going to drive around the auto),,Just a few ramblings,any takers on it????



If something like this takes place..... I'll gladly enroll. I've got vacation time scheduled for Muncie... ... . the only reason it might change is if I transfer to Spring, TX then I might lose the time I have selected.
 
Originally posted by Briar Hopper

Never mind the dyno, there's rumors of a stacked and lifted, 35-inch mud-tired, green Cummins Ram in Indiana, seldom seen, seldom heard from, :D that can run the 1/4 mile in the low, LOW 13's with a 5 speed manual transmission. It must be true, somebody got it on video... :D

Of course, an auto is great on the street & strip for humbling Powerstrokes and Durastinks. But don't dismiss what can be done with a stick, and a skilled driver.



Is that with the drugs? Or has he just gotten faster since he last posted his times? Just curious.
 
Originally posted by Briar Hopper

No drugs. He doesn't even have a propane or nitrous kit on there.



I assumed you were talking bout Eric? Or someone else? Did he take off the propane? What is low 13's? :) Just curious... ... ... 12v right? (if its not Eric)
 
First it was the automatic couldn't hold the power of the cummins. Now we want to go back to factory spec'd truck?:confused: With the rules that were suggested it seems like only factory trucks can compete, we might as well go to the dealership and ask to borrow a couple trucks. I know that I am not within several of the rules, I'm sure that all the people that want to see would probably have the same problem.



About a stick driving aroud me with a comparible truck, if and when it happens my opinion would change but until then my opinion will stay the same. About a stick on this forum beating me so everyone can see and hear about it, I did race cord(cummingsgetme) from Texas who makes 400+hp in a 2wd regular cab 5speed truck. Mine weighed 8700lbs as I had 17 torque converters, 1 transmission, full tool box, transmission parts, 3 weeks worth of stuff. I don't know what a 2wd regular cab weighs but I'm sure it's a lot less. He asked to race me so I said sure knowing my weight was high because he said that he didn't have much power. So I figured that I could hustle this guy so I turned my comp box off before the race so that the next race could be for money. :D He also asked if we could start from 30mph, I said sure (another mistake). When we took off I soon realized that he was far from stock and I was in trouble, so I lunged for the comp box but it was to late (Strick-9 witnessed the hole thing). So we went again, I took the next one. Then the next one. Then for some stupid reason I locked O/D off and got beat at the top end. So we went again to see what would happen (best 3 out of 5) I got him. Cord gave me the closest race that a stick ever has. Next year we will have a 2wd just like his and we will see how it compares. :D I know that Cord will have more hp by then, and so will we. Maybe he will come to Muncie.



About Mitchell putting his guts on the table, I would just like to know the basics of what he is running. Gene, you say no drug, do any of us know for sure?
 
Originally posted by Stefan Kondolay

The way I look at is who cares what your dyno # is does that make your truck look impressive to someone one the road I think not. How impressed are people going to be when an stick with more power gets out run by an auto? I find it funny that stick guys always run to a dyno instead of settleing it on the road. Dyno #'s don't mean s**t in the real world. I would rather have a fast truck on the road where it counts than a dyno queen anyday.



My truck and Sam's (Dawg 1) are very comparable in power and size would that be a good test? I will drive down to washington to race him. We both have DD2's, PE Comp, and PDR turbo's.



What are you guys going to do when I pull up beside you say hey wait we need to find a dyno?:p :p



Hi Stefan,

I don't think I am ready. Most everyone in the area knows about my elbow surgerys. Rowing my transmission with the speed needed to out run you is not going to happen with these arms :( . Also we have different Edge Comp box's :eek: and turbos (mine is stock, temporarily). Sam
 
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