Competition DTT vs. BD vs. SBC et all

[CUMINNTSTRKN]

bpine



i'm looking forward to see what kind of #'s adam gets this weekend. we will be dynoing at the same time but in nevada. i heard him ask about 700hp? that would be cool, thats the # i was told lawerence is trying for also.



we will see.



jim

 

[Briar Hopper]

Blair, excellent point. Keep it fun, or I'm out, too. A bit hard to do with some egos running around these forums...

 

[Bob Wagner]

1 quick question

Will Bill & Shanti or Stefan be in Vegas for this event?

 

[Mopar-muscle]

Originally posted by Diesel Freak

now I hope all the auto guys realize that the clutch will come out on top... . the auto WILL lose more power in the driveline with the Convertor unlocked.

this is now an apples to oranges test ???? ... clutch vs an unlocked TC . a locked TC is like a clutch ( you know what i mean), i have pumped close to if not more than 1000 ft/lbs thru my locked TC .



apples to apples ... HA ... .



edit ... yes you can lock the tc on the dyno , get it in od , bring rpm to 1800 , the tc will lock , now roll on the throttle , about . 5 to 1 sec for full throttle and the TC will stay locked . i have repeated my 410 hp number many times all within 1 or 2 hp , close enough .

 

[Diesel Freak]

Mopar-muscle, I think you are missing the point... I am just "stirring the pot" as Evan put it. Thanks for adding a little seasoning to the recipie.



I do have on auto I could dyno... . I bet it is the most efficient auto out there. I would wager that it is more efficient than any of DTT's, or BD's convertors. And with the modified engine in it I bet I could hang with any Auto truck in the 1/8 mile... any takers?

 

[KLockliear]

Originally posted by Diesel Freak

I would wager that it is more efficient than any of DTT's, or BD's convertors. And with the modified engine in it I bet I could hang with any Auto truck in the 1/8 mile... any takers?

If Mark will let me, you can run the little white Dodge.

 

[Diesel Freak]

Originally posted by KLockliear





If Mark will let me, you can run the little white Dodge.

Does it run on nitro?

 

[KLockliear]

Originally posted by Diesel Freak

Does it run on nitro?

If you mean nitrous, no. Marks truck is just on #2.



Back to the original proposition:

Originally posted by Diesel Freak

I have grown very tired of the Slushbox lovers trying to see who has the bigger phallus.

I have a challenge.

I dare you can put more power to the ground than a SBC equipped (or even a stock clutched truck) with equal bombings.

BD, DTT, Dunrite et all you will GET YOUR BUTT STOMPED INTO THE DIRT!

Put up or shut up!Cliff

So if we put up, are the manual guys gonna shut up? We're DTT equipped and will be bringing our "big stick" to beat people with. Cliff, are you sure you're still on the winning side of that bet?

 

[TxDieselKid]

Re: Re: DTT vs. BD vs. SBC et all

Originally posted by KLockliear



So if we put up, are the manual guys gonna shut up? We're DTT equipped and will be bringing our "big stick" to beat people with. Cliff, are you sure you're still on the winning side of that bet?

Keith,

Go get them for us auto guys!!!!



Like Texas singer/songwriter Roger Creager sang... . "I got the guns!"



Andrew

 

[Mopar-muscle]

Originally posted by Diesel Freak

Mopar-muscle, I think you are missing the point... I am just "stirring the pot" as Evan put it. Thanks for adding a little seasoning to the recipie.



I do have on auto I could dyno... . I bet it is the most efficient auto out there. I would wager that it is more efficient than any of DTT's, or BD's convertors. And with the modified engine in it I bet I could hang with any Auto truck in the 1/8 mile... any takers?

point not missed ...



as far as comparing 2 trucks , mod for mod , locked TC vs a clutch/stick, sorry to say the stick should put down a larger number , not alot mind you , but more . the manual transmission gets the nod because of the HP loss turning the pump .



as far as your claim of a more efficent auto , i'd almost take that bet , except A , its probably not a chrysler transmission , and B , in the 1/8 ? real men race the full 1/4 ... 1/8 is for 10 yr olds in JR. dragsters ...

 

[Fred Swanson]

Cliff, I can gaurantee you that a stock clutch equipped truck would not be stock clutch equipped very long with my mods.

SBC all the way.



As to which one puts out more HP on the Dyno, I guess we'll have to work on that one. Theory says the stick should, but one never knows.

 

[Sled Puller]

From a hundred pages ago... ... ...

Its funny how the super high HP guys switch from a stick to an auto to do better at the pulls or strip... ... .

Eh?



The only SUPER high horsepower trucks that pull are in Ohio and they don't run autos ... ... ... or SBC's, so I guess running against them would not be fair?!?!?!?!?



Gene

Professional Pot Stirrer

 

[Hammer]

Stir It Baby !!!!!

Well if the nomination for stick trucks is still open(since my eyes are all bugged out from trying to follow this massively large post) there can only be ONE and I mean ONE nomination,,I'd agree with "Mean Gene"the proffessional pot stiring machine comment about the Nastiest stick truck being in OHIO and the ONLY to represent us rowboaters,,Somewhere in these pages of testerone overload I again see Stefan making the "slushboxes are better for racing than sticks" comment,,To me a comment about sticks not being good for racing is certainly uneducated to say the least,,Like to see Stefan tell the immortal Ronnie Sox that auto's are only for racing,,Now I do agree that we(5 and 6 spd)drivers do not have the true luxury of a competition minded transmission like the slushbox crowd(since we all know the auto transmission is based off the virtually indestructable 727 torqueflite,and we already know what it will handle as far as Hp is concerned),but I've said it before and I'll say it again,Just when you comfortable with your slushbox and feel your invincable a stick truck WILL drive by you,,Autos may be more consistent for the electronics,bracket racing can not race without delayboxes crowd,but,sticks are for real displays of HP,,Too many years of drag racing and too much experience to listen to the automatic transmission whiners with their "we can go fast better than you stick guys"crap,,Bottom line here is this-To all you sniveling,whining,testerone overloaded ,automatic slushbox driven truck owners BEWARE of the true stick drivers,we do not stick our chests out,do not beat war drums,never get overloaded with testerone for we are a simple but humble group,WE LET OUR COMBINATION OF POWER AND ABILITY TO ROW WITH THE BEST OF THEM SPEAK !!,,REAL RACE CARS HAVE STICK SHIFTS AND SO DO REAL TRUCKS!!!!,,Think I'll now go to my rowing machine so I can get tuned up,all this stuff has me wanting to thrash somebody to day,,There's going to be a beating tonite... .....

 

[Charley]

Sheeeessshh!

 

[Diesel Freak]

Originally posted by Mopar-muscle

as far as your claim of a more efficent auto , i'd almost take that bet , except A , its probably not a chrysler transmission , and B , in the 1/8 ? real men race the full 1/4 ... 1/8 is for 10 yr olds in JR. dragsters ...

no, it is not a "chrysler" auto... . and it will be toped out by the 1/8 mile point about 73 mph... . and it is auto... . and when completely shifted out it is in direct drive.

 

[Diesel Freak]

Re: Re: DTT vs. BD vs. SBC et all

Originally posted by KLockliear





If you mean nitrous, no. Marks truck is just on #2.

no, not nitrous... . NITRO... . when you said little white dodge I took it as meaning a little nitro powered R/C car

 

[Stefan Kondolay]

Hammer,



What website are we on? I believe it's the TDR, meaning we are talking about turbo diesel pick-ups. That's why I made the comment about auto's are the only way to go fast. I would like to see any stick with the same mods out run me.



In drag racing there is two different kinds of racing, brackets for the majority of people who aren't rich, and heads-up or otherwise known as he who has the most money. Now when you refer to stick shifts going faster is it the motor or transmission. In drag racing there is always two different mind sets those who are serious and those who like two have fun. I can tell you that I'm not rich there for I bracket race. I have nothing against stick shifted vehicles in fact I try to race them as much as possible.



All the years in the world of racing doesn't make someone a true racer it just means you've raced alot. I hope I never get the attitude that I won't listen to someone because that would be the last day I'd race.



Sticks always drive around me when I'm not expecting it, unfortunately it's in the return road with a big old frown on there face.

 

[TxDieselKid]

ding ding ding....TKO for Stefan K.......

I have to agree with Stefan on this one. For our diesel trucks in a race, the auto will win if all mods are even. Reason being that you don't lose boost during a shift. No matter how fast you think you are with a stick, meaning shift time, I can promise that the auto will gain ground down the track because of the boost staying raised. Now woth gassers then it's a whole different story. Here sticks are often times prefered, but autos still make good runs in 9 second chevys. It comes down to this, if I got a drag gasser, I would want a stick, but for a turbo diesel, auto all the way.



Anyways, I hope those guys are having fun in NV right now... . wish there was a web cam set up, or real time updates for when the Big Guns take the stage. Sure wish I could have gone. Also wish I could goto May Madness this year, but it falls right before finals for me... . If it were only in the last half of the month.



Andrew

 

[Stefan Kondolay]

I thought the thread started about hp to the ground, it didn't say on a dyno. To the ground is only good if your out running everything with less hp. Why would we change the stick to a lenco? Isn't a 5or6 speed good enough? To me lenco's have always seemed more like an auto anyway, launching with a clutch then everything is air. I guess more like a manual shift auto. To me dynos have always been a base line. Then take it to the strip to see if the dyno #'s mean anything.

 

[JR2]

Okay every one settle down. We are talking about DIESEL pickups here. We are talking about trucs that still resemble stock trucks (having a transmission not offered in our truck. . ie different brand is a no no). Heck I would like it limited to trucks that could, under there own power, make it to the dyno or track(no tralier queens).

Let me add this, you can Dyno all day long and get some freaking great #'s, then go down the street and dyno on a diff dyno and get some really lame #'s. Put your trucks on the line, side by side and go for it. Winner takes all.



I have a dream... maybe a Max HP contest... maybe get each entrant to put up $1000 and go for it. No rules, what ever transmission you want, what ever mods you want, what ever what ever. Take em to the dyno and let it fly, then take em to the track have a go at it. Then make em tow a 5,000 lb tralier up a steep hill for time. Winner takes all... ... .....



I wish someone would post some dyno results... . the suspense is killing me.....