dyno results for my "bombed" 01.5

[**ICEMAN**]

edege ez set on most aggressive

powermax 3 set on 9

dtt t/c,v/b,t/c saver



best of 4 runs with 0D off and t/c saver bypassed

282 rear wheel hp

621 ft pounds torque



no transmission slipage but with the t/c saver on the shift points are wacky so i bypassed it to get the best run listed above( i will call bill k. to get that resolved)



here are a few concerns/comments:

TST POWERMAX 3 on level 9-"advertized" hp gain to rear wheels is +130 and +375 torque

EDGE EZ "advertised" hp gain is +65 to rear wheels and 185lb torque

so if i subtract the "advertized" gain from my dyno results

282hp - 130 pmx3 - 65 edge ez gives me a stock truck with 87 hp

621 torque -375 pmx3 - 185 edge = 61 ft lbs stock

- we had a few stock trucks run 196-215 rear wheel hp.

i really didn't expect to actually see all the "advertized" hp but this no where close to what it should be running

after tossing and turning all night thinking about it i came up with that maybe they are performing as "advertized" and i just can't supply them with the fuel they need to achive the max. both boxes still have the same seat of the pants feel that they did when i installed them. the transmission shift points are wacky ever since i towed with the t/c saver on.



i kinda feel ripped off after spending the big $$$ on the upgrades. gotta find the weakest link.

comments or suggestions would be apprieciated

 

[Don M]

Are the numbers advertised for rear wheel or flywheel HP?

Maybe that is the difference.



Don~

 

[KatDiesel]

First thing, the EZ only adds about 40hp at PEAK hp, it adds the 65 you see advertised down at the lower RPM's.



The T/C Saver I can't help you with, mines not on yet. Do you have the time to go back to the dyno alone? I would remove the EZ, and dyno with just the PM³ on the truck. Then add in the EZ and rerun. How do you have the map sensor connections hooked up? I mean in which order? Have you rechecked all connections?



Thats where I would start.

 

[Floor It]

I had heard that the automatics for 01 had a torque management system in the computer. Don't know if that is so or not. You should have way more power than that at the ground!

 

[KatDiesel]

Originally posted by Floor It

I had heard that the automatics for 01 had a torque management system in the computer.

Just as info, there is a reflash that "fixes" that. Its a TSB, I think 18-24-00 I would have to look it up, anyhow it gets rid of the "torque management" due to towing complanents.



I gotta get some sleep before work tonight, but I'll ponder this subhect and see what comes to mind. I would have guess you would have done 340hp easy (low side). What was the highest hp reading of the day? What type of dyno was this on? Maybe it couldn't load your truck down enough? How was the traction on the rollers?

 

[WAYNE]

I made almost identical horsepower and torque numbers with just a power edge EZ, 275 HP injectors, and exhaust. Im no diesel professional, but if I had to guess id say your TST box isnt working.

 

[Oasis-3]

I ran my stock truck on the same dyno and my best run was 224. 3 HP and 470. 6 Torque it was a dynojet dyno and seemed new and well run.

Good Luck

Cliff

 

[tmacc]

I got 284/584 w/BD1s and an Ez. That was my third run. On my second run I got 295/691, however the dyno tech said it was just a "spike" from the shift from 3rd the OD or something like that. He said the 3rd run better represented my "true" power.

Oais-3, sorry I missed you. Saw pics of your truck. Sweet!

 

[**ICEMAN**]

don m,,,,advertized as rear wheel hp gains

kat,, pm3 into sensor,then edge ez,,then oem plug

they are all good and tight. i'm assuming the edge is working because of the cloud of soot that it makes on take off's which i didn't have when running just the pmx3. with the edge being on all the time i can flip the switch to the on position on the pmx and get jolted back in the seat,,so i believe it workin. yea,,i was expecting to see it in the mid 300 range myself. maybe i will go back to the dyno and see if they will let me take the time to experiment with the boxes. ( hey tmacc,, wanna take another trip to ernies real soon? )ever since i hooked up that t/c saver whatever and took a towing trip with it on the transmission just dont act right. i will try and get bill k this week sometime.

 

[Bigsaint]

I think Kat may be on to something in regards to the dyno. Did you see any other trucks run ? Were they also disappointed with their results. Assuming that both boxes are working and even if the EZ is not, I think the TST should have yielded at least a reading of 300 RWHP. I think the dyno didn't load your engine up enough to get the real numbers. The only dyno that I have run on so far requires me to run in 6th gear to get top numbers, not enough load in 5th to get beyond 300 HP or so. 6th gear runs produced 366 RWHP. Chris T. ( DieselB59) had similar results on the same dyno. He has a 5 speed and had to run in 5th for the best numbers, while we both should have seen the best numbers in direct drive, no?



Scott W.

 

[**ICEMAN**]

bigsaint,,everyone else seemed real happy with their results. watching the stock trucks pull 200's is what threw me for a loop. i can turn the pmx on and click up one level at a time and feel the increase in power so i wonder where to start to find the problem?

 

[Mopar-muscle]

i was on a dynojet that only could simulate a 5000 lb. load , with DD3's , EZ , K+N RE0880 and DTT 91% TC i hit 303HP with the TC unlocked in 3rd ( no od. ).



ice did your TC lock ? that to me seems pretty low , and as far as the wacky shifts , that really shouldn't have anything to do with the HP unless the trans was slipping . how high did you go in RPM and what gear ?

 

[Todd T]

the Dyno Jet's usually read high. They have no way to calibrate them. with a mustang dyno you can simulate (with the Brake) a load. the dyno jet is just a wheel with two hall affect sensors, that pickup the wheels speed and compare it to the amount of time it took to accelerate it. then tie it to the RPMS and give you a fancy bar graph to look at.



basically, they "blow"



what you should do is find a shop that has a Mustang dyno, get them to calibrate it and put you on. do some runs where they pull you down with the brake and let it go. then see where your at with the truck. or better yet, take it to the streets, thats where it all becomes relevant anyway.



moral of the story, dont believe the numbers off a Dynojet dyno. they are wrong at best. if the Dynojet owner contests that, have him prove to you, how he set up the Dyno, to "know" what was on top of it.



they can't... . all they do is turn the power on, and roll the first victim up on it.

 

[**ICEMAN**]

mopar muscle,,as far as t/c locking,i'm not sure. the dyno tech runs the truck. the sheet shows 3000 rpm on the graph and the 282 hp was at 2100rpm and that was in drive with o. d. off. the tech said there was no slipping and i dont feel any when i'm driving it either. the tech ran the truck to 70 mph,,punched it,,it down shifted and that was the 282 reading. the truck really ain't begun to make hp at that point as far as i'm concerned. i believe if the owner was able to run their trucks the readings would be alot better( we know where to put the go pedal to make it sing). you know anything about the t/c savers? mine puts my shift points in a slush mode ,,not firm as before i installed it. are you headed down my way any time in the near future?? maybe you can see whats going on with this thing.

 

[FDziurda]

Iceman,

Your last post stated your max HP was at 2100 RPM. 2100 is about where I have seen many guys state is their peak torque. Max HP seems to occur around 2700 rpm.



I have to agree with the other folks that something just does not sound right. I'd suspect you're doing better than the dyno run reported.



Good Luck,



FDz

 

[KatDiesel]

Originally posted by Floor It

I had heard that the automatics for 01 had a torque management system in the computer. Don't know if that is so or not.

Off the TSB 18-024-00 : The Engine Control Module (ECM) software, on a 2001 Ram Truck equipped with a 5. 9L-24V diesel engine, is designed to "torque manage" the power output of the engine. This is done to protect the automatic transmission components. The revised software calibration restores the power output and improves the vehicle performance in overdrive.

 

[KatDiesel]

The more I think bout it the more I suspect its jsut this dyno. Do you have a G Tech around to play with? For comparision sake? Is there a Mustang Dyno around?



I'll be on a Mustang Dyno tommorrow, and then Oct 14th a dynojet, be interesting to see the differences. Good news is Mustang Dyno is around the cornor from me, so I'll be visiting often within the next 3 weeks. Tuesdays run is all stock (except shift kit in transmission) and then while sitting on dyno I'll add EZ and run it. Then Thursday I put in the DDIII's, ATS Mannifold, and Piers HX35. Still waiting on TC to get here before adding the PE COMP, VB arrived today.

 

[**ICEMAN**]

if it is the dyno why did all the trucks before me and after do very well with some having less upgrade? i believe there was only one other dually than mine and it also had the pmx3 and pretty much the same #'s,, but he could only run it on level 7 without slipping and had no ez box. i'd like to try another dyno but this was the only one i know about and drove 2 hours to get to it. i will call tst and see if there is a way he can test the powermax and the same for dtt on the edge and that t/c saver thingy.

 

[DAWG-1]

I seen a automatic with DDIIIs and EZ with DTT 93% only dyno 322 hp at Diesel Thunder in Spokane .

 

[KatDiesel]

Originally posted by **ICEMAN**

if it is the dyno why did all the trucks before me and after do very well with some having less upgrade? i believe there was only one other dually than mine and it also had the pmx3 and pretty much the same #'s,, but he could only run it on level 7 without slipping and had no ez box. i'd like to try another dyno but this was the only one i know about and drove 2 hours to get to it. i will call tst and see if there is a way he can test the powermax and the same for dtt on the edge and that t/c saver thingy.

Its simple really, they could load their trucks down enough to get decent numbers, but yours was prolly one of the highest readings there (if it were correct) ... right? So if just couldn't load your truck down enough due to your power level.



Thats what I am starting to think... since you say you feel the difference when you turn on the PM³



I wouldn't get all that upset just yet, gather some more data first.