EarthRoamer installs TripleLok

[CUMINNTSTRKN]

doug



i don't know about you but i'm not scared of no 800hp. i guess if stephan and i are ever at the same track i hope he will give me a head start.





chris wrote:

Jim, I have not looked at other technology available back then, but I will say this: the technology to make a stator exactly like the ones currently in use has been around for years. Doing an extremely poor job of hacking up the stator (like BD and others have done) is just someone’s idea of easy $$$. Is BD doing anything to compensate those who are stuck with an early converter? I hope so; that would be the right thing to do. From what I have read here, BD has now risen to a good level of customer service. Good stuff.

i'm not talking for bd here, but i like your logic. so basiclly i will never have to buy another computer. becuase when sony comes out with there new 4ghz go fast computer they will trade me out for my 486. i mean that would be the right thing to do.



is that part of ats's 3year warranty? when your 3 years are up they will the give you there latest and greatest new transmission? company's would go bankrupt in a hurry.



you've said people are stuck with the old convertor, what was better when they bought it? this is the same thing you are doing today, you are buying what you think is the best product out there. if it turns out to be better than what you have now you will be happy right? is it going to be as good as a product in 2-3 years? i hope not if it is that means the transmission co's have been sitting on there butt.



sorry this just doesn't make much sense to me. kind of like how you can talk a product up without even driving one? i hope it works out for you.



jim

 

[Pit Bull]

Originally posted by CUMINNTSTRKN





i'm not talking for bd here, but i like your logic. so basiclly i will never have to buy another computer. becuase when sony comes out with there new 4ghz go fast computer they will trade me out for my 486. i mean that would be the right thing to do.

LMAO I want some of that action myself!!!

 

[Briar Hopper]

Given the obvious direction that the upcoming May Madness transmission wars are heading towards, Joe D. & Co. should maybe see about borrowing the boxing ring from the MGM Grand or Mandalay Bay. Better yet, have it there. Somebody would clean up on ticket sales. One of y'all call me with the odds, please, I won't be able to make it out there this year.

 

[Cummins Corvette]

Originally posted by CUMINNTSTRKN





i'm not talking for bd here, but i like your logic. so basiclly i will never have to buy another computer. becuase when sony comes out with there new 4ghz go fast computer they will trade me out for my 486. i mean that would be the right thing to do.



is that part of ats's 3year warranty? when your 3 years are up they will the give you there latest and greatest new transmission? company's would go bankrupt in a hurry.



you've said people are stuck with the old convertor, what was better when they bought it? this is the same thing you are doing today, you are buying what you think is the best product out there. if it turns out to be better than what you have now you will be happy right? is it going to be as good as a product in 2-3 years? i hope not if it is that means the transmission co's have been sitting on there butt.





jim

You make a good point. Everyone has their opinion, and there is no point in arguing over this any more. Perhaps I need to include more "IMO"s in my posts.



You are especially correct on the issue of something better should come out in the future. I hope we keep a steep rate of progress going, and that once a company comes out with a superior product, that they give existing customers a good deal on the new stuff. That is all I meant in my previous post; not that BD should give out free stuff to old customers, that they should only give a discount on the new product. Just sort of a way of saying "thank you for your continued business". I know that Kwikkurt and DTT both have programs like this. They are good people trying to take good care of their customers.

Chris



BTW: IMO!! :-laf

 

[Animal]

Common sense

This is the way I see it “IMO”. DTT, ATS, and BD (maybe others) are producing very strong transmissions, that’s not in dispute in these threads. What is stirring up the ruckus is the TC and how it is build, mostly the locking clutch. ATS tots there’s is indestructible and back it with 36-month warranty. DTT say there’s isn’t indestructible (lockup clutch) and has a 24-month warranty. I’m not sure what BD claim to fame is but from a privies post they are standing behind their transmission 100%, and it looks to be a fine product with continued field testing & upgrading.



Now if we look at this with common sense there is nothing indestructible and that is what DTT has been saying. Now if you choose to believe the ATS line about indestructibility then that is up to you.



DTT sells their transmission and instructs the purchaser on proper usage for long transmission life. ATS instructions you to go ahead and do whatever you want to do, owner transmission is indestructible. Logically this makes no sense, sure their transmission is strong and under normal use it should last as long as the DTT transmission, but if you take that unlimited HP/TQ and do locked to locked shifts while racing those punk kids to put them in there place, the transmission will fail. Now will it fail within the 36-month period remains to be seen, but if you do this day after day I’m betting it will not. What ATS is betting is most people will not treat their transmissions in this manner. So 4 years later when your transmission bits the big one, ATS will be happy to sell you another one, where the DTT or ATS transmission used in the correct manner will still be going strong. This has already been proven with the sacrificial BD transmission, after only 3 months the transmission still worked fine but the clutches looked bad. This isn’t a slam on BD; I don’t believe they indorse the abuse of shifting under TC lockup, under normal usage their transmission should hold up as well as ATS or DTT transmission.



Now “IMO” DTT is doing what is best for the consumer, I’m not seeing the same concern for the consumer with ATS. Yes the ATS torque converter looks to be a nice addiction to the Cummins engine, but the rest of the transmission will not hold up to locked shifts no matter what voodoo ATS clutches undergo.



This is just my opinion and I don’t need a master’s degree in transmission theory to have one, all I need is common sense.

 

[Snow man]

The thing i dont understand,is this: ATS would hav you believe that since they have a triple disc TC that the stock,or near stock line pressures are adequete for the rest of the transmission with high Hp trucks. Im no transmission expert,but IMO,this is not true,the stock 3rd,and 2nd are weak on the 47RE,this needs to be addressed,DTT does this,thru a combination of line pressures,and added clutches,HD band,and a few other small changes,ATS warranties their TC for 3 yrs,whats the rest of your transmission going to be like running stock line pressures,with no other changes?Fried in no time if its got serious HP. I would just like a logical explanation as to how the ATS transmission will hold up with stock pressures,and high HP without internal upgrades.

 

[Cummins Corvette]

All right guys, let's let the transmission do the talking on the subject of how long it will last.



Animal- what you say makes a lot of sense, and I am no expert here, but I believe Don when he says it will last. They aren't using anything like what Chrysler uses in their clutch packs. The material they are using is from the Allison trannies. Have you ever ridden on a bus? Listen to how the trannies in those shift. THEY SHIFT LOCKED TO LOCKED!!!!!! Yessir, I went for a ride myself in a uta bus today. It had a 4 speed (Allison I'm assuming) transmission, and a BIG Detroit diesel. By listening to it shift, it was completely obvious it was shifting locked to locked. Either that or the tc was tight enough to make it sound EXACTLY like it was. You know that bucking feeling of the axle shafts twisting in a truck with a manual when you shift it? The bus was doing that when it shifted. That puppy was locked solid. So there we have it, a HEAVY DUTY diesel/automatic shifting locked to locked. Not only that, but can you imagine how many times a day a city bus has to stop and get going again? About a minimum of once every 2 blocks on average. How are those clutches not burning up? Well, after that revelation, I am not worried about the clutch packs wearing out as long as they're using a good friction material. That stuff in bus trannies has to be TUFF.

Now I am not saying that the transmission won't last longer if it shifts unlocked, that IS common sense.

 

[StakeMan]

If you want the answers to those questions you should call them.

Originally posted by Snow man

The thing i dont understand,is this: ATS would hav you believe that since they have a triple disc TC that the stock,or near stock line pressures are adequete for the rest of the transmission with high Hp trucks. Im no transmission expert,but IMO,this is not true,the stock 3rd,and 2nd are weak on the 47RE,this needs to be addressed,DTT does this,thru a combination of line pressures,and added clutches,HD band,and a few other small changes,ATS warranties their TC for 3 yrs,whats the rest of your transmission going to be like running stock line pressures,with no other changes?Fried in no time if its got serious HP. I would just like a logical explanation as to how the ATS transmission will hold up with stock pressures,and high HP without internal upgrades.

 

[rrausch]

Well, tomorrow morning I'm up at 4:30 a. m. and off to Denver to get my

ATS re-build. I've studied threads and manuals, I've talked to Don and others

and I AM JAZZED! The old stock trans has 106,000 miles on it and has been slipping for over a year. (I just have been babying it along. )

Thanks for all the positive posts on ATS. I will let everybody know how it goes.

 

[redneckdr]

locked to locked shifts

cummins corvette, interesting comments. also interesting that i was thinking about the allison md3060 in the' rollin' redneck residence. it is a six speed. from driving it, i think it shifts locked to locked from 2nd through 6th gears. it shifts from 1st to 2nd, then locks and shifts locked all the way up through sixth. this is with a GW of about 25,000 lb, behind a puny little ole "C". it also has pulled about 10-12,000 pound trailers... . i dunno. maybe a transmission that shifts locked can be made?? time will tell whether the ats can do it??

 

[GLASMITHS]

Snowman: If my memory serves me CCannon said in a post earlier that the pressures are turned up in HP trucks.

 

[SlyBones]

Have you seen the size of the shafts in those allison trannys. Seems to me the thing that breaks when shifting lock to lock in our trannys is the shafts. I dont know about wear items, but from posts here it seems that when hard parts breaks its the shafts.



The size of those shafts in the allison trannys are huge in comparison to ours. Comparing lock to lock in an allison and lock to lock in an RE47 is not even close to being the same.



IMO

 

[Big_Daddy_T]

input shafts

Yeah im not ever going to sleep again after seeing that picture stefan posted. Thats why they are getting heat treated or cryoed. they look puny in comparison. id love to have an allison installed. there is a company in alaska that does it for the north slope diesels i heard but i cant remember who does it. on the north slope they never shut the diesels down they run em continously. A good friend of mine drove up there. He said when you get in the truck in the morning and drive the tires a frozen in the position they were in when the vehicle was parked. So you feel a thump thump on every revolution of every tire until they warm up from friction. I laughed so hard when i tried to imagine that.

 

[JR2]

Big Daddy - Been there done that. At -50 F it takes a long time for the tires to warm up. Thunk, thunk, thunk... ... .

 

[Cummins Corvette]

Originally posted by SlyBones

Have you seen the size of the shafts in those allison trannys. Seems to me the thing that breaks when shifting lock to lock in our trannys is the shafts. I dont know about wear items, but from posts here it seems that when hard parts breaks its the shafts.



The size of those shafts in the allison trannys are huge in comparison to ours. Comparing lock to lock in an allison and lock to lock in an RE47 is not even close to being the same.



IMO

Your absolutely right about the extra beef on the Allison. I bet there are few billit or cryoed shafts in them though. The 47 re must have extensive modifications done to it to make it survive Locked to locked shifts. This transmission wasn't even designed to go behind our engines, but they are doing the job very well once they are built up for the task. Only time will tell how long the ATS transmission holds up, not some 1-900 number. rausch- I will see you there. I'm going up tommorow night or friday morning. Oo. Oo. Oo.

 

[J.R. Adkins]

????

Hey I was just wondering what happened to EarthRoamer????

Hehe!!! Looks like he has beed ran off by this civil discussion!!



J. R.

 

[Bob Wagner]

the true drag test

rraush and cummins corvette



Have CCannon do the true drag test <b>AFTER YOUR UPGRADE</b>



Have ATS jack up the rear end of your truck, start it up, put it in neutral and watch your speedometer?



Check it out, neutral, no drag, no speed. Right?



Report back



**edit** even Stakeman or Eric could do this test now

 

[Cummins Corvette]

Re: the true drag test

Originally posted by Bob Wagner

rraush and cummins corvette



Have CCannon do the true drag test <b>AFTER YOUR UPGRADE</b>



Have ATS jack up the rear end of your truck, start it up, put it in neutral and watch your speedometer?



Check it out, neutral, no drag, no speed. Right?



Report back



**edit** even Stakeman or Eric could do this test now

I can do that, but why? I don't think you would see much difference between a DTT 93% and a stock setup with no load on it. But if it will make you happy, I'll do it.

 

[Bob Wagner]

what the heck does load have to do with it?



This might be a good lesson for you

 

[Cummins Corvette]

Originally posted by Bob Wagner

what the heck does load have to do with it?



This might be a good lesson for you

I'll do it.



See ya'all at MM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I might not post again before then. I'm a little excited (ok, lots! Oo. Oo. )



Oo. Oo.