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LSMITH,
I bought my truck two days after it got a new transmission.
I immediately started increasing the horsepower and installed a mystery switch. I shifted locked to locked all the time. I had 260-280 HP in four months. In that same amount of time, I completely destroyed that transmission.
It wasn't a weak lockup system that broke. It was the direct clutch. I slipped it so many times with a locked up 2-3 shift that all of the clutch material was removed from the frictions. Then the metal on metal condition actually welded the frictions to the steels. This gave me 3rd gear starts, a bind up in 2nd when the band applied and a 3rd gear that was NOT going to slip anymore
I continued to use the transmission with 260-280 hp and eventually stripped the splines out of the input hub.
When that happened I lost 3rd and 4th and reverse gear but regained 1st and 2nd. That worked for a week or two until the 2nd band anchor fell off. Then I was left with only 1st gear. I didn't have the money to fix the truck at that time so I drove the truck for another two weeks at 30 mph in 1st gear.
It's embarrasing for me to admit some of the things I've done to my truck. I would much rather keep my mistakes to myself than to come on the TDR humiliate myself. But when I see someone say they don't think an engine with less than 350hp will hurt a transmission shifting locked to locked, I feel compelled to help. I've learned a LOT of lessons the hard way. I've been down that road and I've paid for a LOT for my experiences. I don't want to see my TDR friends make the same mistakes I have. I try to help when I can. It seems there's a fine line between trying to help a friend and being accused of being a member of the DTT wolf pack.
The worst part of it all is that non-technical members who have no idea of how a transmission actually works other than the marketing ads they've read are deciding which side of that line we're on.
I'm SICK of that!
-Chris
I bought my truck two days after it got a new transmission.
I immediately started increasing the horsepower and installed a mystery switch. I shifted locked to locked all the time. I had 260-280 HP in four months. In that same amount of time, I completely destroyed that transmission.
It wasn't a weak lockup system that broke. It was the direct clutch. I slipped it so many times with a locked up 2-3 shift that all of the clutch material was removed from the frictions. Then the metal on metal condition actually welded the frictions to the steels. This gave me 3rd gear starts, a bind up in 2nd when the band applied and a 3rd gear that was NOT going to slip anymore
I continued to use the transmission with 260-280 hp and eventually stripped the splines out of the input hub.
When that happened I lost 3rd and 4th and reverse gear but regained 1st and 2nd. That worked for a week or two until the 2nd band anchor fell off. Then I was left with only 1st gear. I didn't have the money to fix the truck at that time so I drove the truck for another two weeks at 30 mph in 1st gear.
It's embarrasing for me to admit some of the things I've done to my truck. I would much rather keep my mistakes to myself than to come on the TDR humiliate myself. But when I see someone say they don't think an engine with less than 350hp will hurt a transmission shifting locked to locked, I feel compelled to help. I've learned a LOT of lessons the hard way. I've been down that road and I've paid for a LOT for my experiences. I don't want to see my TDR friends make the same mistakes I have. I try to help when I can. It seems there's a fine line between trying to help a friend and being accused of being a member of the DTT wolf pack.
The worst part of it all is that non-technical members who have no idea of how a transmission actually works other than the marketing ads they've read are deciding which side of that line we're on.
I'm SICK of that!
-Chris
G U T S
Strick9 - You got plenty. I could never have told that. However, it needed telling.
I truthfully hope that ATS and their lock-up system works, outstandly so, that way it raises the bar for everyone else. Maybe my brain is too old and weathered to asorbe their fix. It just seems that something has to slip or break
And life was so simple
Strick9 - You got plenty. I could never have told that. However, it needed telling.
I truthfully hope that ATS and their lock-up system works, outstandly so, that way it raises the bar for everyone else. Maybe my brain is too old and weathered to asorbe their fix. It just seems that something has to slip or break
And life was so simple
LMAO @ JHanson :-laf :-laf
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Strick, thanks for sharing that. Your experience is pretty thorough, sounds like you have broken nearly everything in an auto transmission
I should have been more clear about 350HP or less not tearing up a transmission, I meant that when ATS sets one up for the use I intend to put it through I think it will last. I also should add that I am not WOT all the time, so the shifting locked under normal acceleration is substantially easier on the transmission. I even back out until my TCC is completely engaged 99% of the time before hammering it again, one of the reasons it has lasted when all of the "authorites" have said it will not last 3K miles. I agree completely that the stock unit cannot stand locked shifting for even a short period of time. A stock unit will withstand 300HP+ for 50K miles+ though without forced lockup provided it is not towing heavily and high RPM/heavy throttle is used to get the power down. Don't ask how I know that. The stock unit is tougher than it gets credit for, if you understand how it works and "abuse" it along the lines of it's strengths, not weaknesses. I am not on par with you for knowledge of the 47RE, but I am not ignorant either.
As far as people jumping on you or anyone else or whatever, I really do not think that is an issue with you at all. You seem to listen, share and have an open mind. There are some people that are very closed minded (with or without cause) that irritate others. A new idea does not automatically make it bad and I think you understand that. I have no beef with you at all. Hope I did not sound like I did.
BTW, if I buy a transmission and tear it up I will tell it like it happened just as you have. My money and my risk/benefit. I am not afraid to share my mistakes either.
I should have been more clear about 350HP or less not tearing up a transmission, I meant that when ATS sets one up for the use I intend to put it through I think it will last. I also should add that I am not WOT all the time, so the shifting locked under normal acceleration is substantially easier on the transmission. I even back out until my TCC is completely engaged 99% of the time before hammering it again, one of the reasons it has lasted when all of the "authorites" have said it will not last 3K miles. I agree completely that the stock unit cannot stand locked shifting for even a short period of time. A stock unit will withstand 300HP+ for 50K miles+ though without forced lockup provided it is not towing heavily and high RPM/heavy throttle is used to get the power down. Don't ask how I know that. The stock unit is tougher than it gets credit for, if you understand how it works and "abuse" it along the lines of it's strengths, not weaknesses. I am not on par with you for knowledge of the 47RE, but I am not ignorant either.
As far as people jumping on you or anyone else or whatever, I really do not think that is an issue with you at all. You seem to listen, share and have an open mind. There are some people that are very closed minded (with or without cause) that irritate others. A new idea does not automatically make it bad and I think you understand that. I have no beef with you at all. Hope I did not sound like I did.
BTW, if I buy a transmission and tear it up I will tell it like it happened just as you have. My money and my risk/benefit. I am not afraid to share my mistakes either.
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It was technical
Everything Strick-9 said was all technical, he stated that he shift his transmission locked to locked and destroyed it.
I agree that his transmission was not an ATS transmission, but it is what happens to a stock transmission shifted lock to lock, something has to give. This info is 100% pertinent whether you like it or not, and I applaud his honesty even if you don't!
Everything Strick-9 said was all technical, he stated that he shift his transmission locked to locked and destroyed it.
I agree that his transmission was not an ATS transmission, but it is what happens to a stock transmission shifted lock to lock, something has to give. This info is 100% pertinent whether you like it or not, and I applaud his honesty even if you don't!It was asked how hot a DTT trans got in stop and go,I can answer this,and the crawl test. My 89% runs cooler plowing snow,which is low speed,heavy load,stop and go,constantly,it can also crawl up and over 6-8" curbs with a 9'2" plow blade full of snow,at crawl speeds,in 4 hi,I do it all the time at my curbed accounts where stacking space is tight,I slowly drive up til i hit the curb wit hte tires,then blip the throttle ,and over it goes. My ram will go right over the curb,not even a struggle,and the truck weighs 10-11K lbs while plowing. Trans temps,usually run 155-170 while plowing,but my peak has been 210 in the hot line,a one time thing,and when i travel on the road with the plow on,between accounts it quickly drops to 140-150. The stock Tc ran 10-25 degrees hotter in the same situations. My ram plows for 5-20 hrs straight in a big storm,so if the TC was to tight or going to make it overheat,it would have happened by now. This truck has over 400hp,and the truck tows ocasionally,plows every storm,and gets hot rodded too,in between work,it has held up to all of this so far.
Re: It was technical
I was not talking about anyone speciffically. It just seems to me that this thread was going to turn into another :-{} . If it seemed as though I was speaking about Strick-9, rest assured I was not. What Strick-9 posted is a good example of what can happen to a "stock" transmission if treated this way.
Originally posted by Animal
Everything Strick-9 said was all technical, he stated that he shift his transmission locked to locked and destroyed it.
I was not talking about anyone speciffically. It just seems to me that this thread was going to turn into another :-{} . If it seemed as though I was speaking about Strick-9, rest assured I was not. What Strick-9 posted is a good example of what can happen to a "stock" transmission if treated this way.
Stakeman,what is done to an ATS transmission that keeps it from breaking parts if it is also shifted lock to lock? I have shifted mine lock to lock,with my mystery switch,by accident,I can tell you i wouldnt intentionally do it,it feels like its very hard on the transmission. I feel there must be slippage of the clutches in the trans,since something must give on a lock to lock shift,if it is to be somewhat smooth. Im guessing your TC isnt slipping at all,with all that lockup area,and the transmission with relatively low pressures,would seem like the weak link to me. If you are allowed to tell,Id sure like to know how it is done in lockup,and smoothly.
Strick-9, you are a guy after my own heart! Anybody who would keep on pluggin' away, while all the time blowin' out various clutches and gears and things has GOT to be somebody I would like to meet! I LMAO reading your post! It reminded me of some of the things I did to my Pop's tractor when I was a teenager!
Chris Anderson,
Just out of curiousity when did you become an expert on Automatic Transmissions? I realize you say that you are trying to help the members out, but you keep asking for more questions as if you are qualified to answer them which to me would make you an expert. You say that our transmissions can't shift locked to locked without breaking, anyones could all you need to do is slip the transmission, which would also cause smooth shifts. Sound familiar. We have always hoped that our customers would realize that they are driving a 7000lbs + truck and if the TC is locked and they shift it locked and the transmission doesn't slip something will break wether it's cryo'd or not. Cryoing is to help it not fix it. You have also referred to the fact that they give NO HP LIMITS big deal, last time I checked most high hp trucks run our stuff, you think we would say to bad you got to much hp, I don't think so. In fact as of right know the 3 HIGHEST HP trucks run our stuff (Lawrence at DD, Mark Flinn at DD, JETPILOT-Doug Smith). No hp limits doesn't mean a thing.
P. S. Remember some tell you how good they are gonna treat you and other just do it because it's expected.
And for the record I just joined the ranks of the 800hp club. Gonna post the results Wednsday when its backed up. 
Just so everyone that has e-mailed me wondering why my dad isn't posting on this thread, he has been kicked off. I guess you guys must not have been on in awhile.
Just out of curiousity when did you become an expert on Automatic Transmissions? I realize you say that you are trying to help the members out, but you keep asking for more questions as if you are qualified to answer them which to me would make you an expert. You say that our transmissions can't shift locked to locked without breaking, anyones could all you need to do is slip the transmission, which would also cause smooth shifts. Sound familiar. We have always hoped that our customers would realize that they are driving a 7000lbs + truck and if the TC is locked and they shift it locked and the transmission doesn't slip something will break wether it's cryo'd or not. Cryoing is to help it not fix it. You have also referred to the fact that they give NO HP LIMITS big deal, last time I checked most high hp trucks run our stuff, you think we would say to bad you got to much hp, I don't think so. In fact as of right know the 3 HIGHEST HP trucks run our stuff (Lawrence at DD, Mark Flinn at DD, JETPILOT-Doug Smith). No hp limits doesn't mean a thing.
P. S. Remember some tell you how good they are gonna treat you and other just do it because it's expected.
And for the record I just joined the ranks of the 800hp club.
Gonna post the results Wednsday when its backed up. Just so everyone that has e-mailed me wondering why my dad isn't posting on this thread, he has been kicked off. I guess you guys must not have been on in awhile.
lovin the info
I learn so much on this website.
Od at 20 does not sound right to me. I thought the computer programmed the shifts.
I drive excessively aggressive and the first transmission hung in there for 100k. I finally grenaded her in 4 ft of mud, not kidding.
Thanks for the story strick 9. I think if someone doesnt like a product its not a personal attack just an opinion and i get to hear everones all the time because of my toys. Oh yeah well the ferds better its an 8. My yamy triple will eat you polaris. I dont argue. no point. I think all these products have there attractive attributes. Use whatever works for you.
lockup to lockup shifting i will never put my transmission through that.
i love my dodge, i love my cummins and 90% of the time my transmission works great(need a noise filter for the electronics). I am damn proud of my truck.
I think i heard from my transmission guru that the original 727 our 618s grandad was stable to 700 hp 700 ft lbs bone stock. he is a gasser but he had a good point, he suggested pullin the 618 and installing a built 727. Installing a dummy converter( One that will not lockup) and install a gear splitter. 727s are incredibly durable. lockups were installed for fuel mileage originally correct. they are a weak point in the transmission. eliminate it and while your at it dump the od. no more weak links. i have heard of alcohols running 2000 ftlbs through a gone over 727.
800 stephan thats great. being isolate from the continental i doubt i will ever get to see somin like that. Another crapper is that i havent found a dyno in the state. maybe i should drive down and check your rigs out. i been plannin on travelin. thanks for all the technical info you gear heads im eating it up.
P. S. i want bill back i love his posts. they are so informative. he is very good at translating all this greek into english for a mechanically challenged individual such as myself.
I learn so much on this website.
Od at 20 does not sound right to me. I thought the computer programmed the shifts.
I drive excessively aggressive and the first transmission hung in there for 100k. I finally grenaded her in 4 ft of mud, not kidding.
Thanks for the story strick 9. I think if someone doesnt like a product its not a personal attack just an opinion and i get to hear everones all the time because of my toys. Oh yeah well the ferds better its an 8. My yamy triple will eat you polaris. I dont argue. no point. I think all these products have there attractive attributes. Use whatever works for you.
lockup to lockup shifting i will never put my transmission through that.
i love my dodge, i love my cummins and 90% of the time my transmission works great(need a noise filter for the electronics). I am damn proud of my truck.
I think i heard from my transmission guru that the original 727 our 618s grandad was stable to 700 hp 700 ft lbs bone stock. he is a gasser but he had a good point, he suggested pullin the 618 and installing a built 727. Installing a dummy converter( One that will not lockup) and install a gear splitter. 727s are incredibly durable. lockups were installed for fuel mileage originally correct. they are a weak point in the transmission. eliminate it and while your at it dump the od. no more weak links. i have heard of alcohols running 2000 ftlbs through a gone over 727.
800 stephan thats great. being isolate from the continental i doubt i will ever get to see somin like that. Another crapper is that i havent found a dyno in the state. maybe i should drive down and check your rigs out. i been plannin on travelin. thanks for all the technical info you gear heads im eating it up.
P. S. i want bill back i love his posts. they are so informative. he is very good at translating all this greek into english for a mechanically challenged individual such as myself.
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Stefan: I agree with your above post and all in it; however, 1 small question. What happens inside my transmission when I downshift locked 3rd to 2nd. ? This happens when the Smartcontroller is on and you downshift. I really like this feature, and hope it is not bad on my transmission. So what gives?
GLASMITH,
I am not a trans expert and since my dad is banned he cannot answer the question. If you want a technical answer you would have to privately email him at kondolay@shaw. ca
I do know because i sometimes pack the update kits that he does change the 2nd gear band, 2nd gear spring , apply lever and band strutt. Third gear has also been changed with the billet piston and other springs. I dont know what they are all for, since he has been banned i have been learning a lot more about transmssions and how they work but i am not an expert.
I know the reason we sell the pac brake is becase the retarding hp is higher at the high rpms and lower at the low rpms. I do know he does make sure we tell customers no matter what exhaust brake you choose it does cause some wear on your transmission.
I am not a trans expert and since my dad is banned he cannot answer the question. If you want a technical answer you would have to privately email him at kondolay@shaw. ca
I do know because i sometimes pack the update kits that he does change the 2nd gear band, 2nd gear spring , apply lever and band strutt. Third gear has also been changed with the billet piston and other springs. I dont know what they are all for, since he has been banned i have been learning a lot more about transmssions and how they work but i am not an expert.
I know the reason we sell the pac brake is becase the retarding hp is higher at the high rpms and lower at the low rpms. I do know he does make sure we tell customers no matter what exhaust brake you choose it does cause some wear on your transmission.
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How many drugs did it take to hit that number? You was all prolly laughing, stumbling about in the garage!
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