Emjay Engineering controller ?

[SlyBones]

Re: Q&A

Originally posted by dramer

As for when we stood behind the controller it certainly would have been after testing. I would think that would be self explanatory. Hope this helps

Thanks

 

[Stefan Kondolay]

In order to be respective to Robyn's request we wont get into the specifics of why we dis-agree on Bill being difficult to reach. Those of you that have called many times and spoken know how accessable he is.



I guess we will have to wait and see if emjay will answer tcourse.

 

[BFC]

Originally posted by emjay

I did answer the question. Go back and read my next to last post. That is my position.



Good Day.

Emjay,



Sorry to hear that Too bad you put personnal feelings towards a vendor over the interest of potential customer.





What is it about auto trannys that make people act like 5 year old brats? Somebody please tell me!

 

[BFC]

Originally posted by CCannon

Quote: Bill Kondolay (DTT Transmission)



DTT POSITION ON EMJAY ENGINEERING STRATEGY CONTROLLER



Diesel Transmission Technology's company position is the following: DTT WILL NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGE DONE TO YOUR TRANSMISSION with the installation of this transmission controller. With this controller he is taking control of the governor circuit which can cause a 2-3 bind up shift YOU ARE YOUR OWN WARRANTY STATION. after adding this device.





Clint Cannon

ATS Diesel Performance

Since I'm interested in this and wanted ALL the info available, I went and got it. Here is the ENTIRE post from DTT that the above quote was taken out of, things are not always has they seem... ... ...



Glenn











DTT POSITION ON EMJAY ENGINEERING STRATEGY CONTROLLER



It now appears we are not getting a controller for testing contrary to what we were told. We have been waiting since Nov. 6, 2002.



Much to my surprise today a customer sent me an email today informing us we did not have one on the way per emjay.



I have no idea what his game plan is? But here is our official company position.



As we have not tested this unit we have no way of ensuring it will not be harmful to the transmission . In order to do so we would first have to have it pass on our valve body calibration machines and then my own personal testing with pressures gauges.



Diesel Transmission Technology's company position is the following: DTT WILL NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGE DONE TO YOUR TRANSMISSION with the installation of this transmission controller. With this controller he is taking control of the governor circuit which can cause a 2-3 bind up shift YOU ARE YOUR OWN WARRANTY STATION after adding this device.



The other thing is you RV & exhaust brake guys need to consider is that when you manually select 2nd gear this controller has no way of recognizing your manual selection, it will up shift as usual.



When we developed our smart controller this was one of our biggest challenges, we had to put a micro switch on shifter to tell our controller that we manually selected 2nd.



Back in Oct. 2002 when we were first contacted to test this controller he was concerned we would be upset that the features were copied from our smart controller, as we explained then and repeat now, our specialty is transmissions and torque converters, if it works better and is safe for the transmission we would be happy to recommend it after we tested it. We had concerns that had to be addressed first.



As far as him being a competitor and this being sour grapes that is a non-issue for me, I make $ 50 on the smart controller and carry the full warranty on them and I use an electronic company to build them. We had to do it as there was nothing on the market to achieve these features. If someone could do it SAFELY and better good for them all it had to do was pass the testing.



Since most of the features are almost identical on his controller as with the smart controller with the exception of the 2nd gear lock up for me to get out of the electronics end of it would have been a godsend.



On our initial contact I asked him to come up here for testing, to pressure test against bind up. That failed to materialize, as he was too busy. That happens; next he was going to send the controller so we could test for the bind up. Apparently that is no longer happening.



Things are just not adding up here.

_________________

_________________

BILL KONDOLAY

DTT TRANSMISSION BUILDER

 

[Chipstien]

Thanks BFC, this post puts a whole new spin on things. So the question is why doesn't Bill get a controller to test. ATS probably told Emjay not to send one.

 

[shaft]

Well I guess I hit this nail on the head... ... . lol



It appears there was more to this than met the eye initially, just as I thought and that the DTT/ATS fiasco has more than a little to do with it... ...



Its hard to always be right

 

[fest3er]

Originally posted by Chipstien
Thanks BFC, this post puts a whole new spin on things. So the question is why doesn't Bill get a controller to test. ATS probably told Emjay not to send one.

Chipstein, please do not stir the pot. Even with your , your post could be misinterpreted. ATS would not be so unethical to make such a request; even if they had, Emjay not send a controller to DTT, I think Emjay are ethical enough to ignore such a request.

Lets keep this thread on topic.

Who has used the Emjay controller, and what are their opinions? We've seen some. Let's see some more.

When I have my trans re-done,. I'll consider the Emjay controller; it sounds like it does what I want.

Fest3er

 

[Balzac]

I have been reading all of the posts on the EMJAY Controller both on DTT's Forum and here on the TDR over the last two days. My impression, although to some of you would be seen as biased, as I have DTT products. What I read on this subject leads me to believe the following;

1/ EMJAY is reluctant to send a controller to DTT for testing. Why?

Is it because they are worried DTT will find a problem?

2/ Anyone that knows Bill Kondolay and family knows they are honest. Are some of their critics not familiar with honest people?Maybe they have not run across this rarity?

There are still some left in this world. !

3/ Bill Kondolay knows 47RE Transmissions better than anyone that has challenged him. Some challengers have more education,(the command of big words) Bill's education is in Aotomatic transmissions.

4. Bill, from only reading about and not testing an EMJAY Controller, immediatley saw the possibility of a problem. No one else amongst all of the 'experts' has recognized this.

5/ Anyone that is willing to put up Money$$$$ to prove he is right is very sure of themself. Has anyone taken this challenge? and if not why not? Maybe because Bill is right and they are not sure.

All of this is educational, especially for the critics, as they are learning something new every time Bill comments on a transmission subject.

6/ I sometimes wonder if these critics keep this up just so they can become better informed on automatic transmissions. This is mostly free information from THE AUTO. TRANS. GURU.



Disclaimer; I have no ties with any company. these are simply my observations as stated .

Best of the season to all.

Jim

 

[RADdodge]

Let's Get On With It...

It’s impossible to be purely objective, especially when one has already put their money where their mouth is so to speak. We all have vested interests in the CTD and Ram trucks. We all want the best. And we all have opinions. I enjoy the controversial threads, not because of the BS and attitudes, but because it exposes viewpoints (and hopefully some facts) that are new to me. Unfortunately, transmission and oil threads take on almost a religious fervor. No one needs to have their feeling hurt and everyone should be able to freely choose what they feel is the best without being berated. There are no absolutes. I hope this thread culminates with the knowledge of how a new and intriguing product will fit into the BOMBing schemes of many of us. I sincerely hope that some of us would reflect on this and move forward. Just do it. If there is a problem, it can probably be fixed, if indeed there is any problem at all. Time will prove what is and what is not. I think many of us have a wait and see attitude. For some with so much invested, it is hard not to take some of this personally. I’m trying to keep an open mind, as I’m sure many others are also. Just move forward and get on with it.

 

[David Muench]

Disclaimer: I own an automatic Ram, but so far the transmission is stock. I have not made up my mind between DTT or ATS, but I do see the advantages of this controller. I am not taking sides. I am switzerland.



That being said, I asked a question of the guys at Emjay in an email, and as part of their response, they mentioned that ATS is now the exclusive distributor of it. So that could explain a lot.



I am now going to retreat to a safe distance to continue to observe. .

 

[Chipstien]

Looks like I was right.

 

[tcourse]

Emjay or ATS

Who do I ask for a answer to my Question?

If I buy a Strategy and choose to remove it from my truck will you accept it back for a refund. Since I have a DTT VB and TC, I would prefer that Bill K assist me in setting it up for my truck. I see where it has some features that the Smart Controler does not have, and am interested in adding it to my truck.



WILL IT BE WARRANTED TO THE EXTENT THAT I CAN REMOVE IT, AND RETURN IT, IF I FIND IT DOES NOT MEET MY NEEDS.



TCOURSE

 

[Boldt's Wagon]

A partial quote from "Edward" on the DTT forum:



"I spoke to Mike and he told me that his logic controller is programmable and that if anyone desires to they can set it up to cause fault codes and conflicts. So why should I get into a test where you set the rules and proceed with you’re self fulfilling prophecy? Any novice can program his computer to crash that takes no ability at all. An Emjay in your hands can be programmed incorrectly and yes cause problems. "



The full thread and posting is about 2/3 the way through page 5 at:



http://www.dieseltrans.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=156&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60



Hopefully Emjay and ATS can modify the programming so that the user can not program selfinflicted and potentially harmful conditions.

 

[zman]

I agree with Boldt's Wagon - Hopefully ATS and Emjay can reconfigure the software to prevent harmful settings. I like what I see regarding the Strategy Controller, but I'd prefer to wait until all the bugs are worked out.



I think Emjay is making a huge mistake by not allowing DTT to test and provide input into making the Strategy foolproof. It is in the best interest of Emjay and DTT (and all of their current and future customers) to get together and work out their issues. If Emjay wants to increase sales, they need to be working with all of the top auto transmission upgrade providers - not just one.



Given that DTT has been around a lot longer, I'd bet there are at least ten times more DTT owners out there than ATS (probably more). By alienating the DTT owners by not cooperating with DTT, Emjay's sales will probably suffer. What better way for Emjay to increase sales and improve a new product than to allow Bill K to help debug and ultimatly market the Strategy. Like I said earlier, it is in both party's best interest to work together - and I wish they would hurry because I really like the Strategy Controller.



My 2 cents...



Steve

 

[Chipstien]

I'd put money down that no way in **** does DTT get a controller. ATS doesn't want Bill to not honor a warrantee when using this controller. Since ATS obviously can't run with the Big Dogs, they will resort to lower means to get customers.

 

[Pit Bull]

JMHO

If your a DTT transmission owner, wait and watch what happens with your friends that have the other vendors transmissions and add the Emjay Controller. If it does not cause a problem then you have your answer. End of discussion.

 

[JTBMC]

Well I ordered one yesterday and spoke with Mike in ref to installation and preformance, it sounds like just the thing for me, I hate pushing the OD button and stacking 2nd and 3rd gears at low RPM.

Also your right if something breaks due to the EmJay Controler and ATS warrents it so be it. If all goes well then the other Guys will benifit to.

I too would like to see Bill K. have the chance to explore the mechanics of this new device, that would be real progress, using all the great minds avallible in the industry to work out the hidden bugs that all man made things suffer from.



TJ

 

[GLASMITHS]

JMHO?

In you humble opinion, you are saying that all valve bodies, trannys, t/c from all vendors are the same; and that all will operate the same with this box? I don't know the answer; however from your statement that is fact.

 

[Pit Bull]

Re: JMHO?

Originally posted by GLASMITHS

In you humble opinion, you are saying that all valve bodies, trannys, t/c from all vendors are the same; and that all will operate the same with this box? I don't know the answer; however from your statement that is fact.

Most of the TDR members that have modified transmissions are "pioneers" their motto is, "I am my own warranty station" and they want the latest and greatest stuff. So are "you" saying that there could be something so different about the DTT transmission that it can not use this high tech Emjay controller? If I was Bill K I would buy one with my own money and see/make it work in my modified transmission. (WHY) Because I would want my customers to have the latest and greatest performing transmission. That's the way you stay on top in business. I for one don't understand why ATS would want to warrant the Emjay controller in a DTT transmission. If I owned ATS I would be happy that DTT does not warrant this controller in their transmission, it would give me a competitive edge Of course I don't understand half of the :-{} in these transmission threads. But I do try and apply logic when I read them (which is hard to do because there is more emotion then logic involved in most of the posts) I'm just glad I have a CTD with the correct transmission.

 

[GLASMITHS]

1. You do not have a dog in this hunt...



2. I trusted DTT and their way of doing things, to be the best way. So, by doing that I need to pay attention to what he advises myself and others to not do until it can be "sorted out. "

There are few features that are not on the SC, and those that are not appear to be potentially harmful to the DTT transmission.



3. Only speaking for myself, the features that are not on the SC are not that important to me to begin with, and surely not enough to potentially destroy my transmission, either in or out of warranty.

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Have aq good day