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Originally posted by GLASMITHS

1. You do not have a dog in this hunt...



2. I trusted DTT and their way of doing things, to be the best way. So, by doing that I need to pay attention to what he advises myself and others to not do until it can be "sorted out. "

There are few features that are not on the SC, and those that are not appear to be potentially harmful to the DTT transmission.



3. Only speaking for myself, the features that are not on the SC are not that important to me to begin with, and surely not enough to potentially destroy my transmission, either in or out of warranty.

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Have aq good day:)



Everything you state makes sense and if I were you I would also wait until everything was sorted out.



PS-

1. You do not have a dog in this hunt... Thats good "Pit Bull" don't have a dog in the hunt :-laf



You too have a great Xmas :)
 
I hope you guys all had a good Christmas.



What the emjay controller is claiming sounds like pretty good stuff even to me. I mean it’s obvious I don’t know as much about transmissions as my Dad. when my Dad challenged emjay & ATS and Edward the $ 10,000 my mom went off on him. Both my Mom and I while we respect him and even though he is my dad we thought he was insane so I can imagine how you guys must feel with his stand on this issue. .



Most of you guys already know that my mom does the typing for my dad and before she would type the challenge he had to prove it to her. Basically how can controlling the governor circuit cause a bindup shift or pressure drop in 3rd gear.



Bill took us in my truck and used it as an example, he plugged in the trans x and we went for a road test. For the first 10 minutes of the road test the truck performed perfectly. I told Bill I wanted my truck to shift at 1900 rpms under moderate throttle and the truck did so with him controlling the transmission with the transex controller . There was no bindup or anything, it was good clean shifting. .



He was also controlling lockup and od, for the first 10 minutes the truck worked flawlessly. On the way back to the shop when the transmission went to make the shift into 3rd gear Bill made the rear end of the truck lockup. He also created a 40 psi pressure drop. He said obviously this was an exaggerated bindup shift to get our attention , he got that right quick, he also showed me bindup shifts that could only be detected by the pressure gauges. I will be straight up with you guys, the shifts felt good by the seat of the pants I could not tell it was a bind up shift until I looked at the pressure gauge. I spent a great deal of my growing up like most kids trying to prove how smart I was so after seeing this done in front my eyes I was pretty silent.



I drag race a lot with my truck , one of the emjay controller claims is that you can change your wide open shift points so that interests me. My truck is set up for me to shift at WOT at 3250 rpms and according to emjays literature I can change that to as low as 2600 rpms. Eventhough I don’t want to make mine shift that low it makes it sound like a guy could change his shift points under WOT with simple programming of the laptop.

My dad kind of laughed and said I should already know the answer to this one, he told me with the amount of company time I spend researching heads for our racecar this should be a no – brainer.



The governor solenoid can only flow so much oil. If your current governor set up can only generate 100 psi adding the controller is not going to change that to 120 psi, the only way it would help is if your governor solenoid can generate up to 100 psi and the pcm only allows 80 psi.



Only then can the controller help with WOT.

Obviously then I asked Bill how can I test the governor circuit before adding the controller to verify the controller will actually provide me with the earlier wide open shift points as advertised.



The procedure takes a professional transmission guys about ½ hour, it took me about 3 hours. I had to have a 0-150 psi pressure gauge. BECAUSE THE VEHICLE HAS TO BE IN THE DRIVE POSITION AND RUNNING AND SOMEONE HAS TO BE UNDERNEATH IT , YOU MUST MAKE SURE THE VEHICLE IS SECURE AND CANNOT FALL OFF THE JACK STANDS .



By installing the pressure gauge in the governor port I could actually see on the gauge what the maximum governor pressure would go to. I had to jack up the rear end of the truck . I disconnected the 8 pin wiring harness, at that point based on regulated line pressure the governor pressure was maxed out.



Then by moving the throttle lever the governor pressure would go even higher. That gave me my maximum governor pressure available in 1st gear, 2nd gear, and 3rd gear. . On top of that the boost valve circuit can also increase available governor pressure by an additional 10-15 psi depending on how much the boost valve circuit has been enhanced . That on paper gives you the maximum governor pressure available.



The next step was to plug back in the wiring harness and go for a road test and compare my wide open governor pressure with the pcm controlling the governor circuit. VS the unplugged wiring test I previously did.



If the 2 numbers match,the emjay controller cannot change your wide open shift points.





If the unplugged wiring harness test gave you a higher governor pressure reading then the controller will help with your wide open shift points.



Since no pressure testing data has been released, or no attempt has been made to tell you guys how to protect your transmissions using a pressure gauge especially since this transmission longevity is dependent on pressures, I thought perhaps this might give you guys some more insight as to DTT’s stand on this controller.



Considering Bill has over 2 years experience manipulating the governor circuit it just doesn’t make sense they don’t want him to test it.



I had Bill helping me through the testing, he would not let me use the hoist, I had to do it the way you guys would have to in the field. It took me 3 hours . Every one has the right to choose to do what they want, I just thought this might give you guys an idea as to how important the testing is, and that just because you can use a lap top does not mean its as easy as it is being made out to be. I can also use a laptop but the laptop does not tell me what is happening with the pressures inside the transmission and as I found out first hand seat of the pants does not tell you either. That is why with our smart controller you can adjust overdrive, your lock up speed , 2nd gear lock up , disengagement points of lockup system based on tps and vehicle speed with a simple screwdriver, but he will not allow you to control the governor circuit , we set that.



I went to transmission school on my holidays you guys, I wish you all a safe and happy holiday season.
 
Thanks Stefen,

Sounds like you have been very busy. I was wondering if you could post some pictures on how to test the presure and what type of gauge should I use. I respect yor Fathers opinons, views, and concerns very much about his field of work, and his concern about what happens to those of us out here even though we may not have his trans installed in our trucks.

Thanks TJ
 
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tj,



there is actually a picture of the pressure ports on our website and i used a 0-200psi liquid filled gauge . The fittings that go into the case is 1/8th pipe. The lenghth of the hose was about 10' . The type of hose is a parker rubber hose remember there is hot oil going into the cab of your truck, the hose should be of high quality. If you are buying 1 type of pressure gauge to do all types of testing it should be non- liquid filled as its the most versatile per Bill.



There is also another discussion about the emjay controller on our site buts its not as politically correct.
 
I'm just trying it

My Emjay controller should be here tomorrow. I've got the DTT TC and VB. When I bought these,(new to the TDR),I was taking a chance on a new vendor. I believe I made a good first choice,( for a change). I will need my sons help with this as I'm not an "electronics guy" myself. If this works, great, if not, I'll move on just like I have through out my drag racing days. Its my opinion,but I think people loose sight of the fine line between warranty and common sense. To each there own. Do "I" beleive that as "I" continue to bomb my truck, my warranties will stand, nope. Its just me, or can "you" convince your vendor otherwise? Dave.
 
No Emjay Strategy Controller for me

Since Emjay has granted "exclusive distribution rights" to ATS, my interest in it has evaporated. In my not so humble opinion, such anticompetitive business practices don't serve us consumers well. Right here in this forum, first we were told they were sending the units to various aftermarket companies for testing, and now it becomes available "exclusively" from ATS?

Something stinks to high heaven.
 
I now agree with dcasselberry

I've asked more than once for clarification on the warranty and for whatever reason I haven't got an answer from Emjay(or ATS).

Is it because I asked on a public forum? Why wouldn't I? Emjay and ATS has used this forum as a marketing tool for their product and I just want a public statement as to how they intend to handle returns by unsatisfied users if that be the case.

I have been stung before(as I'm sure others have). I haven't heard anybody but the people with financial interest confirm that the "latest and greatest"is just that.

Sorry for the long post. Just can't see the question I've been asking is so hard to answer

:confused:

TC
 
Boy! What a thread! I would bet I'm like a lot of the guys here that haven't upgraded their transmission yet... . Reading every transmission thread... overlooking the emotions and trying to find the information thorugh all of it. This has been another good one.



As far as the exclusivity of distribution goes... . for any manufacturer... . to me the first thing I think of is a price being paid by the distributor for this right. It is a very competitive and risky move. But big risks can pay off big, if you gambled right.



Just trying to sit the fence and see both sides... . (til I choose a side and make a purchase, that is!).....



Damn my Xss is getting sore!:)



Tod



If your still learning like I am... . you've go to LOVE this site!
 
Stefan -

Thanks for a very informative post on the bind up shifts and such. That post indirectly asks some very serious questions about the new controller. Thanks again for all the info.





John
 
THerman says:

"As far as the exclusivity of distribution goes... . for any manufacturer... . to me the first thing I think of is a price being paid by the distributor for this right. It is a very competitive and risky move. "



dcasselberry says:

"Since Emjay has granted "exclusive distribution rights" to ATS, my interest in it has evaporated. In my not so humble opinion, such anticompetitive business practices don't serve us consumers well. Right here in this forum, first we were told they were sending the units to various aftermarket companies for testing, and now it becomes available "exclusively" from ATS?

Something stinks to high heaven. "





My feeling exactly. I am interested in a controller, and I was very excited about the Emjay unit. I sounds like it is questionable the Emjay unit will work with anything but ATS Transmissions. :( I guess when the time comes, DTT will make another $50 off me.





Wayne

A member of the pack.
 
Well, I spent the last 2 hours reading these posts on the Emjay controller, only to find out it's exclusive to a transmission vendor.



Obviously it was never intended to be a consumer product!



Too bad.

Maybe someone else will try and make a controller that works, for the rest of us who can't afford these custom trannies and simply want to keep that darn TCC locked without problem in 3 gears.



My wish for Xmas 2003?
 
Emjay Controller

WOW! I'm relatively new to this website, and I just stumbled on to this thread and have spent the past 2 hours reading the unfolding saga. It's great to see the manufacturer's giving first hand info on the site. I especially enjoyed Stefan's seat-of-the-pants info. I never realized there was such a fierce "war" behind the scenes regarding auto trans upgrades. You guys make me glad I drive a six-speed! I hope it all gets sorted out with Emjay 'cause it sounds like a great product. I'll be following along as the story continues...
 
I'm waiting for mine to come in, I ordered it on Christmas Eve, and will post what it does for my truck. I was also under the impresion that it will work on any Dodge 47 RE trans Stock or modified.

TJ
 
TJ, From reading the tread, Emjay has indicated that it will work on any 47RE stock or modified. Bill K with DTT is the only one saying that he believes it will not work on his modified transmissions (but has not tested one). Let us know what your results are. It would be enlightening.



Sincerely, the dog that is not in the hunt ;)
 
Pittbull, as a "dog" on the sidelines still... .....

As I read and interpret Bill K's stance on this, he hasn't said it will not work with the DTT setup, he's saying that it could be adjusted incorrectly so as to cause a problem that he would not warranty.



Somebody jump in here if I've got the wrong translation.
 
Originally posted by Shovelhead

Pitbull, as a "dog" on the sidelines still... .....

As I read and interpret Bill K's stance on this, he hasn't said it will not work with the DTT setup, he's saying that it could be adjusted incorrectly so as to cause a problem that he would not warranty.



Somebody jump in here if I've got the wrong translation.



Diesel Transmission Technology's company position is the following: DTT WILL NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGE DONE TO YOUR TRANSMISSION with the installation of this transmission controller. With this controller he is taking control of the governor circuit which can cause a 2-3 bind up shift YOU ARE YOUR OWN WARRANTY STATION. after adding this device.



Can/will, bottomline does not warrant it on his transmissions.



Shovelhead, I like being on the sidelines :). That is one of the reasons I bought one of these "great" 6 speed manual transmissions :-laf Just seems to be a lot of stress being a auto guy. :p
 
Pitt Bull, the difference is I have an auto transmission.

I'm still trying to decide which way to go. :confused:



Maybe I'll just have to follow your lead and chuck the auto for a 6 speed. :rolleyes:
 
BETTER RE-READ

On the very first page Mike responded to my question about this being a stand alone product; in the users manual, it states that you need to up-date the VB as well as the t/c. He also states later that a valve body must be set-up for 2nd gear lock-up before it will work. If you interpert this to mean a stock set-up, so be it.



It is also my understanding that if you use any lock-up device and/or a E-Brake with-out an updated v/b you will kill the transmission. That is why BD came out with the Torque Lock, to increasse the pressure during light/no throttle operation. I don't have a dog in the hunt too :D I got a SMART CONTROLLER:cool:
 
I just want to pitch something in here that seems to be misunderstood.



Bind up shifts will occur on ANY transmission. It doesn't matter who built the transmission. This problem isn't exclusive to DTT trannies and valvebodies.



Any transmission can be setup to bind up by fooling with the governor circuit.



Bill showed Stefan a SEVERE bind up if it locked the rear end up. Obviously, we would all notice that if the case were that severe. The problem is when the bind up condition is too small for the average person to pick up on. Bind up shifts cause 3rd gear to wear out prematurely.



If your transmission builder will warrantee the work though and you don't mind having your truck broken periodically, then by all means go for it. In-cab adjustable shift points are great. If you are the type that needs your truck or doesn't want it broken down, then I suggest you have someone setup the controller that has experience with bind up shifting in the 47RE.



Some transmission companies can demonstrate bind up to the customer and explain how and why it occurs. Other transmission companies argue that bind up cannot occur in a 47RE. Buyer beware!



-Chris
 
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