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Is Exxon's profits really driving the price of oil up?



Give me some figures, and I'll run some numbers for you, or even you could do it...



What percentage did Exxon profits increase from 2004 to 2005?



What percentage did fuel prices increase?



If these percentages are the same. We are getting screwed. If taking in account inflation, supply/demand and the risk of loosing imported oil because of war or natural disaster, the percentage is (less than two-digit percent) then I think we are okee dokay, and that's business.



We need these numbers... (attn Googlers ;) )



2004 Profits of ExxonMobile =

2005 Profits of ExxonMobile =

2004 Avg U. S. price of Fuel =

2005 Avg U. S. price of Fuel -

2004 to 2005 U. S. Inflation % =

Amount of fuel U. S. produced in 2004 =

Amount of fuel U. S. produced in 2005 =

Amount of fuel U. S. consumed in 2004 =

Amount of fuel U. S. consumed in 2005 =





Lets start there and see what we come up with... .





Merrick



Exxon Mobil posts 44% jump in first-quarter profit

IRVING, Texas (AP) — Exxon Mobil (XOM), the world's largest publicly traded oil company, said Thursday that first-quarter earnings soared 44% from last year, due mainly to strong crude and natural gas prices.
 
RGardner, what is your experience with royalty payments??? Not to be offensive, but you seem to be making accusations without specific referneces. The reason I ask is because in some states it is MUCH less regulated. DOWG gave a very specific example of what happens here in Texas. Lousiana, Mississippi, Oklahoma and other producing states also have very strict reporting guidlines. When some of these state guys visit producers like DOWG, acting for the landowner, is akin to an IRS audit on the scale of importance. Just for clarification, the land owner is also paid an amount (monthly, yearly, one time payment, all is negotiable) by the driller. Even if no oil is found, DOWG has to pay for the contracted time period, the contracted amount, just for the privilage of looking for oil on the land owners property. And if oil or gas is found, he pays the land owner for the oil (called royalty) and we won't even get into what happens if there are multiple mineral rights owners. In Texas a person can sell the surface (land) but keep control of the minerals (oil, gas) below the surface.



Just to let everyone know how BIG OIL and DOWG (sort of) are spreading their wealth, let me tell you about my uncle who owns a service company. He owns offshore supply and crew boats. Since right after Katrina passed, all 19 of his boats have been on constant contract. The less than 100ft long boats average $5,000. 00 per day plus fuel. The from 105ft to 135ft average $9,000. 00 a day plus fuel. His two large boats, 185ft and 195ft get $20,000. 00+ per day plus fuel. By looking at the above, he should be rolling in money right??? But no one remembers the days back before prices shot up where they are now. When he bought the first large boat, used for about $1. 8 mil, he was lucky to get $3,500. 00 a day and only be on contract 3 to 5 days a month. Try to pay off a million dollar loan at that rate.



But like DOWG, he believed there were going to be better days ahead and kept cost down any way he could. He literally lived on the boats at times with my aunt and cousins. Now, he has what others want, but his cost of operation are beyond belief. Workmans comp insurance alone runs $100,000++++ per month. Coast Guard inspections can cost upwards of $50,000. 00 to get a boat ready.



No, I don't work for him, but my brother does. 5,000 ton Master (I think) Captan, $1,200 to $1,500 per day and headhunters crawling all over the boat everytime they come to port for equipment or supplies offering jobs for another company. Try having a Captan quit and abandon a boat over in Fouchon' Lousiana and a rig be waiting on your boat. The next avaliable captan that walks up gets a raise and new job. Imagine in America, quitting one minute and being hired the next for $100 to $200 MORE per day.



I LOVE THIS COUNTRY :D



Jim
 
due mainly to strong crude and natural gas prices



OK, this is one thing I honestly don't understand. They post big earnings (are earnings the same as profit, i. e. what's left over after the bills are paid?) but aren't they (Exxon et al) having to spend more per barrel since they don't own the oil itself? If they're paying more per barrel and they get about 19 gallons of gas out of each barrel x extra dollar per gallon ($19 per barrel), that's not enough to cover the extra $20 or more per barrel since gas was at $2 per gallon. Where are the earnings coming from? In other words, has the cost of fuel at the pump gone up enough to cover the increased cost per barrel AND provide the big earnings? :confused:
 
Hey john, so no one thinks you are partisan :-laf , please report on first quarter earnings for UBS, Payne Webber, Morgan Stanley and others in the investment community.



My Mom retired from Exxon, a lowly secretary for a Vice President. Last count was about 5,000 shares accumulated over 22 years. Her thoughts on Lee Raymond (who she has met numerous times) "... . He will more than likely give most of it to charity... ... " Her words not mine, from what she knows of him and his doings at Exxon when she was there.



Jim
 
Good Question AMink. john is confusing earnings with profit.



Earnings usually equals money earned before all bills paid.



Profit = money left after bills paid.



Jim
 
Bloomin' idiots

DOWG, you have outlined to what my dad used to call a bunch of bloomin' idiots what it is like in the oil patch. And they still don't understand because they do not have what it takes to understand.



That's why I said a few messages back that logical thinkers should go away and let the bloomin' idiots babble among themselves.



Incidentally, I roughnecked between years in college in the 1950s. I have a stepson who is an independent petroleum engineer (Louisiana Tech and graduated from U of T) in the Houston area. Another stepson is an independent geologist (also didn't go to college but lucked out and graduated from Texas A & M) living in Shreveport. Both are doing very, very well.



Finally, my dad (rest his soul) was nicknamed "Dad" Joiner, distantly related to the Dad Joiner of East Texas oil fame. My dad was a drilling superintendent for the former Crescent Drilling Co. out of Monroe, La. , which was bought out by Drilling and Exploration Co. of Delaware many years ago. He didn't go to college but he knew the oil business from one side to the other.



So what I know about the oil business comes from slinging a set of tongs for a few summers and running around with my dad and (later) stepsons.



Good luck, my friend. Hang in there and let the bloomin' idiots babble on.
 
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john3976 said:
Exxon Mobil posts 44% jump in first-quarter profit

IRVING, Texas (AP) — Exxon Mobil (XOM), the world's largest publicly traded oil company, said Thursday that first-quarter earnings soared 44% from last year, due mainly to strong crude and natural gas prices.





Please notice, this is the jump from LAST YEAR, not from LAST QUARTER... That's a 44% gain in 4 Quarters...



It's a big company so, it's going to have big numbers on percentages...

If my income grew 44% It wouldn't be too much... :-laf



Strong oil and gas prices... On which end? Consumer or Producer? Both?





I woke up thinking of this thread this morning, and I'm begining to think that just maybe fuel prices are being driven up by investors that want to sell the oil at top dollar to make the most money on their stocks... Maybe?





Merrick
 
Shrimpy, I know plenty about royalty payments, I live in the middle of the oil patch and I know for a fact that there have been plenty of lawsuits that the oil companys have lost in the past several years, Kaiser Francis vs Bridenstine 72million dollars settlement on the last part, can't remember what the first part was but a similar amount, Conoco Phillips vs Brumley around 60m, another ConocoPhillips that I can't remember the name of, I can go on with a little more thinking if you like. Most of the leases in this country were made in the 50's with very little lease bonus and the royalty owner getting 1/8 of the production. Now many of the companies are trying charge the royalty owner with production cost that are not called for in the original lease. And I know all to well about one person owning the land and other long distance owner having the mineral rights. The surface owner gets to put up with the bs and land damage from the oil companies while the abscentee owner reaps the benefits! And maybe in Texas the railroad commission is fair and impartial but in Oklahoma the Corporation Commission is owned by big oil.
 
mr gardner you speak the truth so well. about 8 years ago my grandmother past away leaving behind a fair amount of land and mineral rights,as well as several gas and oil leases. about 2 years ago a few of these leases came up for renewal. even shortly before some of these leases were due to be resigned,we were being approached by many who wanted to sign a new lease with the promise of a little more money. long story short i did some buisness with a local guy who is a lease lawyer,and has been in the buisness for over 20 years. after some disscussion he informed me there was much more money to be made from the family oil leases,this he proved as time passed. i will not go in to detail,for it requires to much explaining. best advise to anyone with oil leases,get a qualified lease agent working in your behalf,it's well worth the money. i shudder to think of all the money my grandmother could have made during all those years if she had done just that. b. t. w ,i would gladly give up the price difference in the royalty checks to get the same fuel prices we had two years ago. oh yea,i live in the heart of the e. tex oil/gas patch,so things are about the same as oklahoma. .
 
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Were those cases in Oklahoma??? My father-in-law and his brother buy up old leases and rework the wells. This is their thing to do since retirement. Most land owners are EXCITED someone is paying them again.



Are there unscrupulous land agents??? Of course. Exxon and others were sued a couple years back by the state of Alabama. Al. officials were pi$$ed they signed a deal they later didn't like. So they did the American thing and sued. I believe Exxon lost or settled out of court. Were they cheating??? Depends on how you look at the issues. Very, Very few lay people can grasp the complexities of a minerals contract.



Jim
 
mberry said:
Okay! Okay! Okay. Stop the presses! Who is getting bonuses? Can you tell me how I can get some?



"Golly gee, some employees even posted about their bonuses on this board!"
Hummm... that would be Shrimpy and CF. Guess you'll have to ask them about how to get one. Now you can restart the presses.
 
Real Simple - their production costs

AMink said:
OK, this is one thing I honestly don't understand. They post big earnings (are earnings the same as profit, i. e. what's left over after the bills are paid?) but aren't they (Exxon et al) having to spend more per barrel since they don't own the oil itself? If they're paying more per barrel and they get about 19 gallons of gas out of each barrel x extra dollar per gallon ($19 per barrel), that's not enough to cover the extra $20 or more per barrel since gas was at $2 per gallon. Where are the earnings coming from? In other words, has the cost of fuel at the pump gone up enough to cover the increased cost per barrel AND provide the big earnings? :confused:





Have not risen at all on existing production wells so when they were making a profit at $20/bbl do you really think they want anybody to step in and stop the runaway cost at $73/bbl? I mean that's where the HUGE Gouging is coming - along with creative accounting 101!
 
Have not risen at all on existing production wells

I understand that. But that is for wells OWNED by whatever company. Isn't most of the oil purchased from wells that are not owned by the oil company? I get that if they own their own wells and the wells are paid for (infrastructure, etc. ) the price SHOULD stay much more even with inflation. But if they buy most of their oil from the Saudis, Kuwait, or wherever and those places say "Our barrels are now $70 each", isn't that what oil company pays? This all hurts my brain. And my wallet!
 
Good Morning TDR!



As pointed out by other TDR members in this thread, some folks refuse to listen to reason. The price of gasoline has more than tripled in a couple of years because the price of oil has more than tripled in a couple of years. Hint for those of you who believe glow plugs are a good idea: oil is used to make gasoline.



A proposal was made last night while I was sleeping on my mattress stuffed with obscene profits generated from risk free oil, refined at no cost into 200 octane gasoline that was delivered to my house by 72 virgins from Allah's personal harem that I then sold to poor people at over 100% profit, who don't have jobs, which is why they are poor and don't have any money, which is why they can't afford to buy expensive gas guzzling SUV's, which is why they don't need a lot of gasoline, which means they can still spend their money on crack, which allows the drug dealers to make obscene profit margins (very low refining & distribution costs) which allows them to buy gas guzzling SUV,s to support the U. S. economy, plasma screen TV's from the Japanese and toys from the Chinese which will prevent the coming world wide depression. The previous if/then scenario makes about as much sense as the big oil conspiracy put together by the Vice President of the United States even though Cheney doesn't work for Haliburton anymore, which isn't even an oil company even though the liberal press continues to say it is stealing Iraq's oil for President Bush's oil buddies even though he was a failure in the oil business and doesn't have any oil buddies because he made his money by selling the Texas Rangers baseball franchise which he got for free and then lied about how much obscene profits he made selling unregulated (bird flu infected chicken) hot dogs to the poor people who then died which is where "Bush lied, people died" came from. The end.



But I digress. The absolutely insane proposal is that I should risk losing my money to drill an oil well, in anticipation that the price of oil & gas will be higher in the future and when my calculated risk pays off, I should just give the profit back. This proposal violates the primary economic principle of business; buy low, sell high.



With a stroke of the socialist pen, the proposal single handedly eviscerates the capitalist fundamentals our country was founded on which made the United States economy the envy of the world.



Exxon is reporting record profits for the stock holders who risked their money because they believed a certain, well paid CEO, knew what he was doing. That is, the CEO of Exxon, risked losing shareholder investment capital to drill oil & gas wells, in anticipation the price would be higher in the future, and they were right; that is exactly what happened.



To be specific, the United States (Exxon) imports 60% of the oil & gas it consumes on a daily basis; that is, it pays the free market price, of today's price of $73 a barrel for oil to refine into gasoline which it must sell for approximately $3 a gallon to make a profit. Fact: Exxon makes about $0. 05 profit per gallon of gasoline.



The world population increases every day, so the amount of gas sold increases every day, and consequently, Exxons' revenues increase every day. However, while the gross revenues increase, the profit margin remains the same; $0. 05 per gallon of gasoline on the $73 a barrel oil it buys from me. I am an "independent" producer of oil, (I don't make the gasoline you buy, so none of this is my fault and even if it was, I work hard, pay my taxes and sleep well at night, so, if you continue to blame Bush and I for the actions of the obviously democratic environmentalist wacko canidates you voted into office that refuse to authorize me to drill for oil in the U. S. , while refusing to do the very simple math (no fractions), too bad); that is, I risk losing my money to drill wells to produce oil to sell to Exxon. I take a risk and make a profit on the free market price of oil, which is not set by Exxon who is paying me $73 a barrel for my oil, but by you, the consumer, who is, every day increasing demand and creating a supply shortage, which in turn drives the price of oil to where it is today.



The Exxon shareholders have made the decision to pay their employee, the CEO of their company, an "obscene" amount of money because he is better at what he does, producing oil and selling gasoline, than anybody else on the planet. The CEO of Exxon is providing record "obscene" profits for his employer, the Exxon shareholders, because the oil wells he drilled years ago, with their money when the price per barrel was lower, are still producing (CEO good at job = profit) because you, the consumer, has almost quadrupled the price of oil in 3 years because of your need for "obscene" amounts of gasoline.



So, when Exxon risks losing shareholder money to drill producing oil wells, 40% of the oil it needs to make gasoline does not cost anywhere near $73 a barrel because they own it and the shareholders make a whole lot more than $0. 05 profit on a gallon of gas. OMG!... ... ... ..... Exxon reports record company profits!



What an excellent business plan, but with room for improvement!



Exxon is the largest gross revenue company on the planet; but may not be the most profitable. What? "Exxon caught red handed raping the public!!!!!!! What? Not the most profitable? Oops! Other companies, with less revenue (and relevance for that matter) may be more profitable? Exxon is, quite possibly, making a reasonable amount of profit, but the socialist/liberal press has placed undue emphasis on the gross revenues, not the profit margin?



Disclaimer: If I am incorrect about the numbers, and Exxon is the most profitable company on the planet; good for the shareholders, I guess the CEO compensation plan was worth the "obscene" amount of money. Especially for the often noted poor people because, as noted in this thread, apparently the CEO is going to give the money away. Sheeesh. Too much money? What money? Uhoh. Now the $400 million is a tax deduction. Just wait, I can hear it now: Selfish Exxon CEO doesn't care about the poor people; gave the money away for tax deductions. For those of you who don't like it; it is really a darn shame the CEO of the company you work for probably does not generate $400 million dollars in sales, much less a paycheck that large for just one of the employees.



Price gouging story never reported: Is the profit margin on bottled tap water more than the profit margin on a gallon of gasoline?. A hint for those of you with aluminum heads (pun intended):The cost of the water and "refining" the water is less than the plastic bottle it comes in. Cheers!



Those who believe that corporate money is the root of all evil, probably don't have any money, because they probably don't understand the real purpose of the corporation is to make money, not save the world, which is why they probably don't have any money.



Yes, I know, the day traders, are speculating (risking their money) on the price of oil in the spot (free) market and adding $5 to $10 a barrel to the price of oil. The profit is there because of the risk. If you think, these guys (companies), are getting something for nothing and "gouging" the public, put your money at risk and let me know how it works out. If you lose your money, welcome to the real world. If you make money, give it back; Socialism Rocks! (or is on the rocks, I forget, because no one remembers losers, except losers).



I work hard for my money; I will give it to who I want to, when I want to. I will not give it to you; you did not earn it. However, this weekend, I will give my money to the limousine company at $100 an hour, because they will earn it by helping me be socially responsible when I drink 20 year old single malt scotch to excess while listening to Sara Evans sing, at $200+ a seat, because she will earn it and because she is better at what she does than anybody else on the planet.



You, the consumer, say that I am making too much profit, and I should give the money back when I risk my money to provide the product for which you, by default, refuse to risk losing your money by drilling oil wells. Get lost.
 
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Morning!



Not really, I just got to thinking about it. I give resonable thoughtful, logical answers (reasons) based on almost 30 years of working as an oil & gas professional about why the United States simply does not have a viable energy policy, which will, and is currently, costing the country billions of dollars and the lives of America's finest and the response was a wacko version of the Taco Bell Dog having a picnic with Marilyn Monroe on the grassy knoll.



I give up.



I am going to go count their money again, buy the wife some sort of useless luxury item that will make her happy, as long as I can buy it online, they wrap it and deliver it with the appropriate sentimental card by tomorrow that will get me a mattress dance.



Happy Motoring!
 
On August 8, for example, the price of gas in the US, without taxes, would be $2. 17, instead of $2. 56; in Britain, it would be $1. 97, instead of $6. 06.



Dowg and his buddies in Big Oil are just ripping off America,



America = 2. 17 a gallon with out taxes.



Britain = 1. 97 a gallon with out taxes.



But hey Dowg and his buddies in Big Oil are living it up high on the hog while a lot of Americans are now reduced to selling off their personal items just to put fuel in the tank so they can go to work and put hot dogs and beans on the table next week for the kids.



Enjoy it now, your time is about over, this time the greed of Big Oil is going to result in regulations on them and you will be reduced to living just like the rest of America.
 
Double U Tee Eff mate?



John, he sells oil at market price. A barrol of crude oil is a traded commodity... Much like Precious medals. It sells for the going rate. There are no "discounts" or rebates to speak of.





Merrick
 
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