Exxon caught red handed raping the public!!!!!!

[john3976]

John complains bitterly but offers no solutions. MCummings offers an excellent solution. Way to go, sir! There's always an alternative.

This is a lot of the problem here everyone owns a $40,000 dollar truck, you just don't understand what it is like for most of America, and I bet you ****** and moaned and jacked the dealer down as low as you could get them when buying that truck, yet you pull up to the gas pump and start cheering at the increase in prices.



1. **** and moan calling the dealer a crook for trying to sell his truck at MSRP.



2. Cheer and do back flips at the pump each time Big Oil raises the price of fuel.



Why do you not think Big Oil is taking advantage of you yet you think the dealer is trying to steal your last nickle when they give you $1,000 off MSRP.



When does Big Oil ever give you anything back?



When was the last time you went into the pay window at the local station and tried to jack down the price of that fuel, $2. 97 a gallon, no way, I will give you $2. 34, you know what the guy at the pay window says? pay our price or get out of here and you bow your head like the little robot you are and pay the $2. 97 a gallon.



Dealer = rape me



Big Oil = Cheer and throw a party at each price hike!



Some where you lost your way.



To close this compare the profits of Big Oil vs. the Car makers.



Not even close is it, yet you fight tooth and nail with the car makers and dealers accusing them of ripping you off if you don't get thousands off of MSRP.



Then you just roll over stick your rear end up in the air for Big Oil to give it to you real good and smile saying it is so fair for Big Oil to rake in record profits, and that is not just record profits for their company, that is record profits for any company in history.



Must be nice to live in fantasy land every day.

 

[RustyJC]

LOL, yeah right, and just what other sources is Exxon developing, they already admitted in one of the articles posted in this thread that they are not any good at that and that they avoid it.



LOL, you really did drink the entire gallon of Exxon Koolaid.

As others have noted, your reading comprehension really needs some work. Did I say that ExxonMobil was developing alternate sources? No, what I said was that $70/bbl oil will provide a price umbrella for others to develop alternate sources, supplies or even types of energy if ExxonMobil doesn't.



I'm not the one chewing up bandwidth with whining and unsupported conspiracy theories. You ignore the facts that have been presented in this thread because you'd rather rant like a 10 year old throwing a temper tantrum. If there's KoolAid being consumed, I can assure you it's not by me.



Rusty

 

[john3976]

As others have noted, your reading comprehension really needs some work. Did I say that ExxonMobil was developing alternate sources? No, what I said was that $70/bbl oil will provide a price umbrella for others to develop alternate sources, supplies or even types of energy if ExxonMobil doesn't.



I'm not the one chewing up bandwidth with whining and unsupported conspiracy theories. You ignore the facts that have been presented in this thread because you'd rather rant like a 10 year old throwing a temper tantrum. If there's KoolAid being consumed, I can assure you it's not by me.



Rusty

LOL, drink another gallon of the koolaid, you poor little baby, because I refuse to jump on the cheer leading band wagon and yee haw with you at each price hike you are all mad.



Boo Hoo for you.



None of the oil company want to develop another source of energy they have all ready paid for the cost of developing the equipment for oil and have it down to a science, therefore they can now make as much money as they want from it, if they develop a new source their costs will go up and their profits will go down. Can't have that, hence the reason for Exxon refusing to look for other sources of energy.



My reading is fine, it is you and your koolaid side kicks whom need a lesson in real life.



I bet each one of you cheering on the advancing prices of Big Oil all came from some well to do families and have never had to really work hard for next to nothing in your life.

 

[john3976]

Why do you avoid answering the below example? Is it because you lose all face in your argument supporting big oil while crying how unfair car makers and dealers are?



To close this compare the profits of Big Oil vs. the Car makers.



Not even close is it, yet you fight tooth and nail with the car makers and dealers accusing them of ripping you off if you don't get thousands off of MSRP.



Then you just roll over stick your rear end up in the air for Big Oil to give it to you real good and smile saying it is so fair for Big Oil to rake in record profits, and that is not just record profits for their company, that is record profits for any company in history.

 

[AMink]

To close this compare the profits of Big Oil vs. the Car makers

Not everyone buys a new car every year, but those who drive cars and trucks (and lawn mowers and weed wackers, generators, heat their house, etc. ) buy fuel of one type or another every few days. And those who use plastics, drive on roads that were built with asphalt, shingles, the list goes on. Want to get back at big oil? Toss your computer; the housing is plastic. Throw away your cell phone. Again, it's plastic. Don't heat your house. In other words, EVERYONE uses "BIG OIL" products every day, all day. It's not just diesel and gas. Those are just the prices we see on big signs. Does it suck? Absolutely. Are there alternatives? Yes. Is everyone going to get on the bandwagon and change the way they live? No. Personally, I will be looking for a biodiesel source in my area. I already drive like a grandma, and usually plan my trips so I cover as much as possible in one shot. Buying a gas sipper is not feasible, plus for the cost of a new(er) car that gets 40mpg, plus insurance, plus registration, I can still buy a lot of $3+ fuel. And it seems that "big oil" produces a product that works every time. OK, water in the fuel once in a while, but that is not the producers fault usually. The same thing cannot be said about the auto makers. Witness the Powerstroke 6. 0, etc. That cost Ford huge! IMO, the comparison between the two is not a good one. Again, that's my opinion.

Not even close is it, yet you fight tooth and nail with the car makers and dealers accusing them of ripping you off if you don't get thousands off of MSRP.

We haggle with the dealers because we know we can, and they know it to. If all the dealers said "this is the price, period", the haggling would stop. And, by buying fuel at the cheapest place, you are in a way "haggling" with the gas stations.

Then you just roll over stick your rear end up in the air for Big Oil to give it to you real good

And you better not use petroleum jelly! We know where that comes from. It's right on the label! :-laf



P. S. --Why is it that biodiesel costs as much or more than *gasp* big oil diesel?

 

[Jeremiah]

Bio-diesel

Biodiesel made at home ain't nearly $3 per gallon. $0. 80 per gallon is more like it. I anticipate some enterprising and perhaps retired homeowner will begin doing this for his neighbors and maybe pay for his own fuel and make a buck in the process. It won't take long for this to get the attention of the big boys and they'll do something about what they sell.

 

[AMink]

We've seen PKitzman, MCummings, and Jeremiah's solutions.



John, what is your solution? I looked through the thread again and must have missed it. Could you put it out here again please? Thanks

 

[john3976]

We've seen PKitzman, MCummings, and Jeremiah's solutions.



John, what is your solution? I looked through the thread again and must have missed it. Could you put it out here again please? Thanks

First off you don't want every yahoo in the nation trying to refine their own fuel in their backyard or garage, the solution is Big Oil profits are not in line with any other business, percent wise only goes so far before your profit becomes so large that you need to lower the percent.



In the case of Big Oil they have far exceeded that level, they could drop their profit margin down to 5% and still would have raked in 18 Billion dollars, that is after paying all expenses and R&D.



Heck they could drop the 18 Billion down to 2. 5% and they would have still made 9 Billion dollars after paying all expenses and R&D costs.



Now lets take that a little farther and drop that down to 1. 75% and they still make 4. 5 Billion dollars a year.



Now it is not real hard to see that they are over charging somewhere.



How come none of you Koolaid Drinkers will answer my question of why you call the car makers and dealers crooks when all they want to do is charge you MSRP for your truck?



What is the difference?



Now look at what Exxon alone made last year:



36 BILLION DOLLARS



WOOOOOOOOO, Now where I come from that is a lot of money!

 

[Jeremiah]

More yelling and screaming

We're wasting our time with John3976. He yells and screams but offers no solutions. I'm done with him. It's time to end this thread and go on to a more logical discussion.

 

[AMink]

the solution is Big Oil profits are not in line with any other business, percent wise only goes so far before your profit becomes so large that you need to lower the percent.

I understand what you are saying, but that goes against what I think is a pillar of capitalism. That would force a private company to make less than they can. Who am I, you, others on this forum, the gov't, or anyone else to say what a company can make? I am relating this to ALL businesses, not just the oil business. If there is collusion between the oil companies, of course something needs to be done. Unfortunately, the cases are few and far between supporting that argument.



As far as dealers wanting to charge msrp, that's fine, but when they start adding "market value adjustment" and stuff like that, that's where it starts getting annoying. Again, if all the dealers charged the same price for the same product and didn't budge, then there would be no haggling. Then we would be banging on the dealers for price fixing, gouging, etc. But when I know that one dealer is coming in thousands under another, that's when I want to haggle, more to find out why the high dealer is so high. Plus it's fun!

 

[john3976]

We're wasting our time with John3976. He yells and screams but offers no solutions. I'm done with him. It's time to end this thread and go on to a more logical discussion.

I offer no solutions, the only solutions I have heard from the koolaid drinkers are make your own bio fuel.



Now that is someone I want to live next door to, NOT, stop and think of what you are saying, all it is going to take is for one fire at someones home making Bio Fuel and that will be the end of that deal.



I hope there are some regulations put in place real fast on this make my own fuel business, fuel is nothing to be playing around with and you know full well that even those in this forum that making Bio Diesel right now are not being safe about it, it is not being stored properly and would never be allowed if it was a business.



Just think when the guy next store to you finds out how to make his own gas, do you want him making gas by the 55 gallon drum while your family is just yards away from this?



Should companies be investing in Bio, sure if it is a real solution and does not do harm.



The problem is companies like Exxon don't even try to find other sources of energy, and why should they, they have enough koolaid drinkers that seem to back every price hike they force on the consumer, don't believe me, just read through this thread then get up and go look in the mirror, the person looking back needs to stand up and take a stand or it is just going to get worse.

 

[john3976]

I understand what you are saying, but that goes against what I think is a pillar of capitalism. That would force a private company to make less than they can. Who am I, you, others on this forum, the gov't, or anyone else to say what a company can make?

There is no problem with a company making as much as they can make as long it is a reasonable profit and does not start hurting the public. Fuel is not a take it or leave it deal, to those who think it is I challenge you to park all of your gas and diesel burning cars, trucks, and other equipment, then go cut the breaker to your electric because somewhere that is burning fuel, now live for the next sixty days without using any of that stuff.



I bet you after the first few hours most will say to heck with this and the longest hold out would only last about 2 to 3 days.



Every one sure was happy to get electric back after the hurricanes and boy did everyone get real happy after they could get fuel again.



Face it fuel is just like electric, our country needs it to do every day things, you can't just shut it off because the price got to high.



Just this morning I heard on the local radio that people are pawning personal items just to get enough money to buy fuel for their every day needs.



Now I am sorry but that is sad.

 

[FFutch]

It' called regulation. I worked for an electric utility and we have been regulated for years. De-regulation doesn't work well (look at California and enron),they raped customers with outrageous rates, false outages, and pure GREED. The exact same thing Big oil is doing... . Doug

 

[AMink]

There is no problem with a company making as much as they can make as long it is a reasonable profit

What is reasonable? Who decides? I'm not drinking Koolaid either, I'm saving that money up for fuel! :-laf

 

[Big MAK]

Let's be clear the scumbag executives pulling down these bucks ARE NOT THE GUYS THAT STARTED AND BUILT THE COMPANY.



I. e... . Bill Gates deserves his Billions.



These guys don't deserve any more then maybe ten times the lowest paid person in the company.





... . these oil companies ARE LIARS.



This winter they're jacking up the price of Diesel saying the increased demand for heating calls for the price increases.



FACT: DIESEL IS A BY-PRODUCT OF HEATING OIL PRODUCTION!



What does that mean? WHEN THERE'S A HIGH DEMAND FOR HEATING OIL THERE'S AN EXCESS SUPPLY OF DIESEL!



The price should have been going DOWN!

 

[klenger]

FACT: DIESEL IS A BY-PRODUCT OF HEATING OIL PRODUCTION!



What does that mean? WHEN THERE'S A HIGH DEMAND FOR HEATING OIL THERE'S AN EXCESS SUPPLY OF DIESEL!



The price should have been going DOWN!

That's BS. #2 diesel IS heating oil, not a by-product of it. That makes about as much sense as saying off-road diesel is a by-product of on-road diesel.

 

[Steve Graham]

This nation is not going to become shut ins, it is time to take Big Oil down several notches and put some regulation on them.

Spoken like a true liberal. How much more class envy can you have.



Steve

 

[mberry]

Okay! Okay! Okay. Stop the presses! Who is getting bonuses? Can you tell me how I can get some?



"Golly gee, some employees even posted about their bonuses on this board!"

 

[Big MAK]

That's BS. #2 diesel IS heating oil, not a by-product of it. That makes about as much sense as saying off-road diesel is a by-product of on-road diesel.

Nope. They both come from the same basic process and so you are correct in that they are both "heating oil" but not correct in that diesel and what's used for heating are NOT -exactly- the same. Each is at a different level of purity and refinement.

 

[RustyJC]

Nope. They both come from the same basic process and so you are correct in that they are both "heating oil" but not correct in that diesel and what's used for heating are NOT -exactly- the same. Each is at a different level of purity and refinement.

The fact remains, however, that #2 heating oil and #2-D diesel fuel are both fighting for the same distillation "cut". The primary difference is that #2-D diesel fuel undergoes finer filtration and has to meet cetane rating and cloud point specifications that don't apply to #2 heating oil. Nevertheless, Ken's point is valid - for a given amount of crude oil feedstock, production of more heating oil in the winter results in less of that distillation "cut" available to produce #2-D diesel fuel.



Rusty