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Well, today I finished up the final chore I needed to do before heading out of town for the holiday. I changed out the factory lift pump on my '03 with a stock replacement from Geno's. While my truck was still running okay, I thought that 132K was pushing my luck quite a bit for the factory lift pump (with the well known problems) so I did a pre-emptive strike. This job was a major PITA. Who would have thought that a wiring harness, four 5mm allen/hex bolts, and a quick connect could be such a pain? For those of you who have had to do this along the side of the road in nasty weather, you have my utmost respect! I thought it was bad enough doing it in my own driveway with all of my tools and a step stool available, in the cold and howling wind as opposed to a roadside, with limited tools, possible no step stool, and in a lot worse weather. That's why those of you have done it have my respect for being able to do it.



For anyone who has yet to tackle this job, whether replacing the factory pump with one from Geno's or another aftermarket pump, I'll share what worked best for me. The wiring harness and the quick connect on the fuel line were pretty straight forward. However, getting at those 4 little bolts was another story. I found it easiest to take off the left front wheel and get at it through the gap in the wheel well cowling. Mind you, I have a 2" leveling kit in the front which may have given me a little more room, but the pump was right there. Using a 3/8" ratchet with a 5mm hex socket, I was easily able to get the top and bottom bolts on the outside. I was also able to get the bottom inside bolt from there, but had to do a little stretching. The top one on the inside was the worst. I got to it from the top, but I first had to loosen and move the dipstick tube out of the way. I have a Banks High Ram intake manifold and it relocates your dipstick tube a little. After that and getting the socket seated purely by feel, I was able to get the bolt out. Once I pulled the old pump off of the back of the filter housing, I used a small screwdriver to pop out the old o-ring from the back of the filter housing. Then, I assembled the hose and filter/strainer on the new pump (I used hose ring pliers but regular pliers would work too), lubed the o-ring up good, and seated the new pump. I replaced the bolts the same way I took them out, reconnected the fuel line and the wiring harness, put the front tire back on and started it up. Sounds easier than it is. Of course, it didn't help any that when I was trying to start/hand tighten the lower inside bolt using just the socket, I dropped it and it fell down behind the starter. Took me a while to find the stupid thing, even with a mirror.



After I got my shower and celebratory adult beverage, I took it out to run an errand. I noticed right off the bat that the truck now idles smoother than it did (in cold weather) and seems to have a little more pep than it did. This makes me think that while the old one was still working, it was probably not running at full pressure/capacity and may have been causing some of the symptoms I have noticed. If that were the case, then I probably wasn't too far from having a complete pump failure. However, I want to reserve full judgment on this until I've been able to evaluate it for a little while. Want to make sure that I'm not masking another potential problem such as an FCA or an injector issue. Either way, I do feel a lot better about making my trip now.
 
Yep,The 1st time PITA, I have done a least 10 on the road side in less then 45 Minutes, the Trick is to have another 16inch 3/8 hose. . Dis-connect at frame rail under driver side, then remove the 8 8mm wheel liner bolts remove wheel line reach in with T-25 remove the 4 bolts that hold the pump to the can, dis-connect the Deutsch 2pin connector. Now cut the the Factory shrink hose off the quick connect,Re-use the quick connect on the 16inch 3/8 hose, use worm clamps on pump and quick connect. If you would have posted early ,Our site Has the remove/install Instructions. Also we have the Dual Bracket that attachés to the Canister with In cab switch. You will never be pump stranded again,You can run 1 pump or the other or Both.
 
Yep,The 1st time PITA, I have done a least 10 on the road side in less then 45 Minutes, the Trick is to have another 16inch 3/8 hose. . Dis-connect at frame rail under driver side, then remove the 8 8mm wheel liner bolts remove wheel line reach in with T-25 remove the 4 bolts that hold the pump to the can, dis-connect the Deutsch 2pin connector. Now cut the the Factory shrink hose off the quick connect,Re-use the quick connect on the 16inch 3/8 hose, use worm clamps on pump and quick connect. If you would have posted early ,Our site Has the remove/install Instructions. Also we have the Dual Bracket that attachés to the Canister with In cab switch. You will never be pump stranded again,You can run 1 pump or the other or Both.



Obvious that you've done this once or twice. For me, other than dropping the hex socket, the new one went in WAY faster than the old one came out. Yes, I did loosen the wheel well cowling as well, though I'm not sure that I needed too. I saw your dual pump rig when you first came out with it. Very cool! Wouldn't mind having one myself. In fact, for those that have not seen this set up, it is definitely worth some serious consideration. Right now, I'm just happy to have "conquered" my first lift pump change so I don't have to be paranoid about the factory pump giving out.
 
When the Pump is New listen closely to the sound, when turning the key it will run for 25 seconds,it has a nice hum to it, just before they fail it will start to Buzz. The New pump should equal the 7 years of use of the factory pump.
 
Yeah, that's scary. My old one did buzz when it came on. I could hear it inside the cab. It was worse when it was cold outside. It had been doing that for a while. You are right, the new one does have a hum to it. Sounds like I caught it just in time.
 
Yes they have lift pump in tank,The Pump is necessary for priming,CP3s will pull Fuel,But most lift pumps do allow fuel to be pull through them.
 
So do you think there is actually a difference in running quality if a lift pump is on it's way out? Happy Holidays Todd!
Mark
 
i got 100,000 out of mine when it failed. i cut it apart, what failed was the brushes. there was no brushes left. went with a fass 95/150 much more power than new. stock pump only puts out about 7 psi and drops to about 1-2psi at wide open. fass about 17 psi and drops to about 12-13 psi wide open. improved mileage as well. have to agree either install is APITA, but is better to do in the garage than on roadside.
 
Dealer replaced mine under warranty with the in-tank-pump. Seems to be working fine for the last 3 years. May not be my best idea at the time, but it was free.
 
i got 100,000 out of mine when it failed. i cut it apart, what failed was the brushes. there was no brushes left. went with a fass 95/150 much more power than new. stock pump only puts out about 7 psi and drops to about 1-2psi at wide open. fass about 17 psi and drops to about 12-13 psi wide open. improved mileage as well. have to agree either install is APITA, but is better to do in the garage than on roadside.



Don't by fool by fass Pressure, The Gear Pump life will be shorten with pressure Higher then 15PSI. Bosch CP3s is a negative Pressure Pump, Ideal Pressure 12-0, Now thier is some HP to be Gained with excessive Presure 20PSI+,The COV will fail and all you will be doing is pumping more fuel to the Tank.
 
I had seriously considered going with a Fass or an Air Dog for the longest time. The longer I thought about it, the more I came to the conclusion that I was going to pay a lot of money for extra filtration that I can add to my stock set up for a lot cheaper. I don't run my truck where I need the high pressures that the Fass and Air Dog deliver and from what I've read on here, Fass and Air Dog have their share of problems too. IMHO, Todd's dual pump set up with stock pumps is a great alternative. You can flow twice the fuel volume at stock pressure pressure or have a "hot spare" if one fails. You don't get that last part with Fass or Air Dog. Just to be clear, I am not knocking either Fass or Air Dog. I am just saying that for me a Fass or Air Dog would be a lot of money for what I would get out of it based on the way I run my truck. With the new lift pump, my banks set up is working just fine for me.



Everyone have a Merry Christmas and a safe and happy holiday season!
 
I just received my spare Walbro GSL392 today, $98. 98 free shipping. Much better than stock, and priced to keep one under your back seat.



I mounted this pump on my trans cross member brace, along with a W/S and 2 micron fuel filter about 5 years ago, still pumping strong but thought a spare was a good idea.



Just another option... .
 
JJP:



Do you recommend the Walbro pump with a stock CP3 on a stock motor? See T & C Diesel's post above.



I believe the Walbro is rated at 60 psi max.



What is the pressure at your injection pump with the Walbro, at idle and at WOT?



Thanks.
 
Couple of pertinent points on fuel pressure to the CP-3.



If you exceed 25 psi you have to replace the OE filter housing cap with a billet one or plumb around it. Plumbing around it requires extra filters so keep that in mind when buying pump.



The biggest enemy of ANY gear rotor pump is cavitation. That problem is solved by having adequate head pressure to the pump. The OE COV regulates internal CP-3 pressure to 75 psi which means 20-25 psi to the CP-3 is perfect.



The COV regulates case pressure by returning fuel to the tank and supplying lube\cooling to the CP-3. If the supply is less than the demand, fuel is prioritized to the rail thereby reducing bypass and lube and cooling. Reduce toomuch and the pump will suffer. The CP-3 AS INSTALLED IN THE DODGE TRUCK will NOT tolerate sucking fuel or low supply pressures. Much evidence available to support this fact, ignore at ones expense.



Even if the supply pressure is 100 psi case pressure will never exceed 75 psi with a stock COV. The return circuit is quite able to handle the difference. COV failure is rare and almost always can be attributed to contamination. Its job is pressure regulation and it is constructed so.



The biggest problem with excess supply pressure is the OE lines and component life, plus, returning all the excess fuel. If supply is not regulated the excess must return to the tank and that just causes more fuel aeration which has its own set of problems.



Don't get hung up on the pressure versus flow and what is too much. Conecntrate on the too little pressure\flow scenario which is the biggest danger and remeber filtration, filtration, filtration is your best friend. :)
 
JJP:



Do you recommend the Walbro pump with a stock CP3 on a stock motor? See T & C Diesel's post above.



I believe the Walbro is rated at 60 psi max.



What is the pressure at your injection pump with the Walbro, at idle and at WOT?



Thanks.



I have had good luck with the Walbro, so yes I would recommend it, with or without a stock CP3.

I have mine regulated to 22psi at the CP3, it maintains that pressure. I installed a regulator with a return line back to the fill tube between the Walbro and CP3.
 
Yep,The 1st time PITA, I have done a least 10 on the road side in less then 45 Minutes, the Trick is to have another 16inch 3/8 hose. . Dis-connect at frame rail under driver side, then remove the 8 8mm wheel liner bolts remove wheel line reach in with T-25 remove the 4 bolts that hold the pump to the can, dis-connect the Deutsch 2pin connector. Now cut the the Factory shrink hose off the quick connect,Re-use the quick connect on the 16inch 3/8 hose, use worm clamps on pump and quick connect. If you would have posted early ,Our site Has the remove/install Instructions. Also we have the Dual Bracket that attachés to the Canister with In cab switch. You will never be pump stranded again,You can run 1 pump or the other or Both.



anyone know where this link is, cant find it... thanks:-laf
 
I live and Post real world results,The facts are,Negative feed pumps Don't care about Inlet pressure ,Bosch Develop and designed the CP3 to live on minimum Pressure, the world had 100s of manufactures with High pressure Pumps (Lift/Feed) Not one was contracted, they contracted to have a low pressure pump designed and deployed for a reason. I have been on VC only to come back to 3 cores all with busted eccentric shafts do to High inlet Pressure,All were running Fass Pumps with pressure greater then 20Psi Feed. The question is for every Day Use is it required to Run 15psi or higher? I just returned for 3K trip in the Rockies with 95% of that with Both My Factory Pumps off. Keep in mind all of this pulling My 4 Place Toy Hauler. I will be removing My wild T&C pump for inspection, I will post pictures.
 
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