First oil change

[AH64ID]

Not worried is fine, but my point is for some that may be listening to YOUR advice about going off of oil analysis for oil changes, and ignoring the oil change intervals in the manual. Blackstone is sure not going to stand behind a thing they tell you when something goes south.

Best advice for anyone is to simply follow the manual on oil change intervals, at least you are covered on warranty.

Amsoil sets the change interval at 1 year, or longer based on UOA. He's fine following that.

 

[Cummins2014]

Amsoil sets the change interval at 1 year, or longer based on UOA. He's fine following that.

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Still not my point, do not care what Amsoil ,or Blackstone have to say, when it goes south, where are they on repair or warranty. Pretty sure nowhere to be found

 

[Newsa]

The trouble that i see with amsoils 2x OEM recommendation us that their limited warranty says it does not cover situations where the owner/customer does not follow OEM recommendations.

 

[Cummins2014]

The trouble that i see with amsoils 2x OEM recommendation us that their limited warranty says it does not cover situations where the owner/customer does not follow OEM recommendations.

So it falls right back to 15K or six months, what is it that some are missing here. Pretty sure they are doing their own interpreting on oil change intervals. IMO bad advice .

 

[AH64ID]

The trouble that i see with amsoils 2x OEM recommendation us that their limited warranty says it does not cover situations where the owner/customer does not follow OEM recommendations.

You’re going to have to show me that. I’ve just read their warranty twice and it’s not stated.

https://www.amsoil.com/lit/g1363.pdf

Again, if you follow the Amsoil recommenced service intervals with Amsoil you are covered... even if you exceed the OEM intervals.

So it falls right back to 15K or six months, what is it that some are missing here. Pretty sure they are doing their own interpreting on oil change intervals. IMO bad advice .

...And your falling into the trap of believing an internet post instead of actually verifying it yourself.

What you’re missing are facts.

 

[Cummins12V98]

Not worried is fine, but my point is for some that may be listening to YOUR advice about going off of oil analysis for oil changes, and ignoring the oil change intervals in the manual. Blackstone is sure not going to stand behind a thing they tell you when something goes south.

Best advice for anyone is to simply follow the manual on oil change intervals, at least you are covered on warranty.

A little common sense should apply. I have changed my oil on an average of every 7mo. All great reports with every one trending better.

 

[Cummins12V98]

Again.....my experiences have been 15k “counter” on the oil change intervals as well........pretty much like clockwork on my previous 2014 RAM 3500 that was bought new and sold at 362k (about 24 or 25 oil changes IIRC).

You use your truck like you should do it’s going to say 15k every time as mine has done.

 

[AH64ID]

A little common sense should apply. I have changed my oil on an average of every 7mo. All great reports with every one trending better.

Mine gets changed between 11-13 months each year, which is 9000-11000 miles. UOA always says I can go longer, but my OCI is fine with me.

 

[Cummins2014]

You’re going to have to show me that. I’ve just read their warranty twice and it’s not stated.

https://www.amsoil.com/lit/g1363.pdf

Again, if you follow the Amsoil recommenced service intervals with Amsoil you are covered... even if you exceed the OEM intervals.



...And your falling into the trap of believing an internet post instead of actually verifying it yourself.

What you’re missing are facts.

I think you need to read " What this Limited Warranty Does Not Cover " in your link. I think I am reading the same interpretation that Newsa is reading.

 

[AH64ID]

I think you need to read " What this Limited Warranty Does Not Cover " in your link. I think I am reading the same interpretation that Newsa is reading.

Please quote it then. I don’t see anything relating to what he posted.

I see where is says Amsoil or OEM, not Amsoil and OEM, nor Amsoil and/or OEM.

Meaning, as long as you follow one of the two recommendations you are covered.

 

[Cummins2014]

Please quote it then. I don’t see anything relating to what he posted.


I see where is says Amsoil or OEM, not Amsoil and OEM, nor Amsoil and/or OEM.OEM

I think what Newsa is saying you still have to follow the OEM change intervals .The manual states 6 months or 15k , where does it say using Amsoil you can go outside those perimeters, it does say as long as you follow OEM. In other words if you want to go over six months that’s not following OEM , and I don’t care after six months if you only have 1000 miles on the truck, six months are up , time to change

Are you or are you not advocating going longer then six months but less than 15k . If you are it’s simple you are not following OEM, same as what Amsoil is telling you

 

[AH64ID]

You're quote is messed up... but none the less you are not really reading what the Amsoil Limited Liability Warranty states.

Its states that if you are running Amsoil you need to follow the Amsoil OR the OEM intervals. This is very clear, and I am unsure why you or Newsa cannot comprehend what it says.

Between the product web page and the Limited Liability Warranty it is very clearly stated you can exceed the OEM interval, as long as you follow the Amsoil interval. The Amsoil interval is up to 2x the OEM interval, not to exceed 1 year... unless extended thru UOA.

By using the word "or" it gives you the freedom to use the OEM 6 mo/15K miles/EVIC oil change interval OR Amsoil's 2x OEM interval, not to exceed 1 year. Again it does not use and, nor and/or, the warranty simply uses OR.

Like I asked earlier, please quote what you are reading. Nothing in the Amsoil Limited Liability warranty supports your statement.

I am advocating exactly what Amsoil states, 2x the OEM interval or 1 year, whichever comes first (which can also be extended by UOA, and backed by their warranty). This is supported 100% by their limited liability warranty statement. This is what Amsoil is telling me. Please read the recommended OCI and LLW again, but slower.

If you still disagree, you need to show me the statement you're reading. In quote or photo.

 

[JR]

I've always felt the 6 month recommendation was overly conservative. I do get that FCA/Cummins can not predict everybody's driving habits but from my experiences if your oil is used up @ 6 months and you have not reached the hour/mile mark either something is amiss with your engine or you should be following the severe service schedule based on your usage.

My last two changes, the most recent being conventional 15w40 Mobil 1. 11 and just shy of 10 months, respectively.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/104hIDHgg1H37tAcMlzDswDQwE9waDbdp/view?usp=drivesdk

 

[Newsa]

After re-reading the amsoil LLW,

It appears 2x OEM and one year is covered if supported by UOA

 

[NIsaacs]

[QUOTE="AH64ID,

https://www.amsoil.com/lit/g1363.pdf

Again, if you follow the Amsoil recommenced service intervals with Amsoil you are covered... even if you exceed the OEM intervals.
[/QUOTE]

This might sound good on paper, but....If you use and follow Ram's instructions and have an engine failure you are most likely covered. With Amsoil, you will need to prove the failure was oil related, that might be tough. Then if all goes well there, who fixes the engine? Ram, a private diesel shop or Amsoils pick? How long will all this take? With Ram, if you have a legitimate engine failure under warranty, it will be handled right there.

 

[AH64ID]

After re-reading the amsoil LLW,

It appears 2x OEM and one year is covered if supported by UOA

It doesn’t say you have to have a UOA.

A UOA let’s you go over than the published interval, and still be covered.

And just to be clear, the 2x is for DME and other oils. Some Amsoils are 3x, and some some just OEM.

 

[Newsa]

It doesn’t say you have to have a UOA.

A UOA let’s you go lover than the published interval, and still be covered.

And just to be clear, the 2x is for DME and other oils. Some Amsoils are 3x, and some some just OEM.

True. Except going over the OEM's OCI.... You should protect yourself because if an injector starts leaking or something happens that causes the oil to be contaminated with fuel, coolant or particulates, nobody will cover you.

In fact, if your oil goes over the OEM's OCI, and something happens to your engine, possibly FCA could concoct a series of events where you are liable. Amsoil's warranty only covers oil-related failures. There could be a situation where the failure is created by a series if events and proving the failure was oil-related could be nearly impossible???

 

[AH64ID]

True. Except going over the OEM's OCI....

No... I don't understand where you're getting your info.

As long as you are withing either the OEM OR Amsoil's recommended OCI you are covered. In the case of DME (What Cummins12V98 and I both run) that is up to 2x the OEM recommendation, or up to 1 year whichever comes first. That is completely free of any UOA. Since Amsoil's OCI is longer than the OEM, and since Amsoil states you can use their recommended OCI for warranty purposes there is no need to do a UOA to run the oil for 1 year.

If you want to exceed 15K miles, 1 year, or 2 resets on the EVIC, whichever comes first, then you have to do a UOA to keep your Amsoil warranty.

I ran my oil this year for almost 14 months, but since I did a UOA at 11 months that said it was suitable for continued use I am covered under the Amsoil warranty in the event of an oil related failure. I could have changed it at 12 month without a UOA and been covered as well.

You should protect yourself because if an injector starts leaking or something happens that causes the oil to be contaminated with fuel, coolant or particulates, nobody will cover you.

True, but that's not an oil related failure nor is it really relevant to OCI's. If you have are getting fuel and/or coolant into your oil and you don't catch it then it doesn't matter when you last changed, or will next change, your oil. A UOA can catch this, but so can regular dipstick checks. I wouldn't expect Amsoil to cover a leaky injector that lead to fuel in the oil, would you?

In fact, if your oil goes over the OEM's OCI, and something happens to your engine, possibly FCA could concoct a series of events where you are liable. Amsoil's warranty only covers oil-related failures. There could be a situation where the failure is created by a series if events and proving the failure was oil-related could be nearly impossible???

If you're going to play the "what-if" game on your warranty then why even drive the truck?

In the end Amsoil should cover an oil-related failure, and FCA should cover any other failure.

Oil related failures are very obvious upon inspection, and also very rare unless neglect is occurring which is also very obvious upon inspection.

 

[Cummins2014]

You're quote is messed up... but none the less you are not really reading what the Amsoil Limited Liability Warranty states.

Its states that if you are running Amsoil you need to follow the Amsoil OR the OEM intervals. This is very clear, and I am unsure why you or Newsa cannot comprehend what it says.

Between the product web page and the Limited Liability Warranty it is very clearly stated you can exceed the OEM interval, as long as you follow the Amsoil interval. The Amsoil interval is up to 2x the OEM interval, not to exceed 1 year... unless extended thru UOA.

By using the word "or" it gives you the freedom to use the OEM 6 mo/15K miles/EVIC oil change interval OR Amsoil's 2x OEM interval, not to exceed 1 year. Again it does not use and, nor and/or, the warranty simply uses OR.

Like I asked earlier, please quote what you are reading. Nothing in the Amsoil Limited Liability warranty supports your statement.

I am advocating exactly what Amsoil states, 2x the OEM interval or 1 year, whichever comes first (which can also be extended by UOA, and backed by their warranty). This is supported 100% by their limited liability warranty statement. This is what Amsoil is telling me. Please read the recommended OCI and LLW again, but slower.

If you still disagree, you need to show me the statement you're reading. In quote or photo.

Okay. You buy the new Ram . At 6 months you dump the original oil ,and change to Amsoil. 5.5 years later you have 55k miles on the truck, 50k of those miles have been Amsoil, changed once a year at approx. 10k miles per year. You have an oil related engine failure. You are still under factory warranty ,but because you have not followed factory change intervals ,FCA denies warranty, but Amsoil foots the bill, do I have it correct now .

 

[AH64ID]

Okay. You buy the new Ram . At 6 months you dump the original oil ,and change to Amsoil. 5.5 years later you have 55k miles on the truck, 50k of those miles have been Amsoil, changed once a year at approx. 10k miles per year. You have an oil related engine failure. You are still under factory warranty ,but because you have not followed factory change intervals ,FCA denies warranty, but Amsoil foots the bill, do I have it correct now .

Correct. You are well within the Amsoil warranty with the given example.