Engine/Transmission (1994 - 1998) Fuel Additives

[BIGNASTY]

But This could HURT A MAN FOR LIFE!!!!!! how bout a TAG TEAM!!!!!

 

[BIGNASTY]

He won't be back Big. The taps have come off his dancing shoes. He says the mpg claims come from his customers after clearly stating HIS 12 valve got 100 to 150 miles extra per tank and HIS '03 got a 2 mpg increase. Apparantly he doesn't appreciate getting the best use from a dollar spent. That is why I have an SBC clutch, a PDR cam, use RP oil in my differential, etc, etc. I sure would have liked to try it. Every 1% of gain over the cost of the additive would be worth about $250 a year to me.

I was going to stay out of it you seem to have him against the ropes just trying to lighten things up a bit BUT LATE

 

[GAmes]

I was going to stay out of it you seem to have him against the ropes just trying to lighten things up a bit BUT LATE

The up side is we got to see some cute girls

 

[BIGNASTY]

Ya but Nick was disapointed with the one she had two backs he said ,but I like how flat the lower back is

 

[BIGNASTY]

There ya go Nick NOW!!! DONT BLAME ME IF YA HAVE TO DIAL 911:-laf

 

[TGVET]

WOW ! This thread reminds me of one of my favorite childhood games Rock'em Sock'em Robots. . I'm ready for Round 87. . :-laf



For what its worth, I buy a 5 gallon drum for $202. 00 including 9% WSST once a year + a little extra. Over 80 tanks @ 6oz. per tank (down from 8 as I never run below 1/4tank = 26g to fill) I fill up once a week @ 520miles. Cost is 1. 92/tank @ . 32/ounce. I'm not sure why anyone would want to pay more than that but then again, ARCO sells #2 @ 4. 46/gal all day long right across the street from TESORO @ 3. 95/gal. where I fill up. 263K on OEM injectors and pump.



Now back to the 3rd. Gen forums. . Oo.

 

[mwilson]

There ya go Nick NOW!!! DONT BLAME ME IF YA HAVE TO DIAL 911:-laf

It's about Damn time for a good BIG picture. That's a little more like it.



Mike.

 

[GAmes]

I am from Missouri and you have not shown me anything except thst you have not tried anything and therefore you are not qualified to comment so go away

You have posted twice, so apparantly you are a believer in the magical powers of Stanadyne. Since you aren't a dealer I have a different proposition for you, and this is open to anyone who believes the high mpg gain claim. I have just received a dispatch to pick up a 20 ft loaded cargo trailer (probably around 10,000 lbs) in Springdale, AR and deliver it to Regina, SK. That is 500 miles empty, and nearly 1400 miles loaded which would be a good test. I estimate I will use 140 gallons of fuel to get to Regina, so call it 5 bottles of Stanadyne. Tomorrow morning I am taking a set of injectors to Austin to get them pop tested, and I know that the shop sells Stanadyne.



Send me $125 by paypal. If the additive gives me greater than a 4. 2% gain in mileage I'll return your money and donate $100 to the Red Cross for hurricane Sandy relief. If I don't exceed 4. 2% I'll add $50 to your $125 and send it all to the Red Cross. How about it?

 

[LNaugle]

I am not sure why i feel like i need to explain but, if you read about my 12 valve you would understand that it needed more cetane because of the modifications, particularly the timing, my truck was getting approx 10 miles to the gallon and the jump in mileage explains that. It will ,in its current condition, pull approx 10,000 lbs over Vail and Eisenhower at 78mph at 35 psi,1350 egts... . in the fast lane. Now heres the deal... . YOU provide the phone number to the shop that you are taking your injectors to and i will call there and pay for the stanadyne. I am not sending you money,obviously, but will take you up on your donation deal, I do not want reimbursed when you figure out the savings. I will hope that you will follow up as you say you will. ALSO, i was not bagging on the military, just yourself, as not all people are the same, good and bad everywhere in every walk of life, my opinion of YOU is my own. You dont have to try to get everybody in the military involved in this, thats wrong but was expected i guess. ALSO, no i wont do this deal for anybody else, which was the main reason i did not want to do it in the first place so dont even ask... . the stanadyne will speak for itself, although i do have a phone call into them and waiting for 1 back but they are in Connecticut.

 

[LNaugle]

Make sure you calculate enough for the whole trip, and are you really going to not donate all the money even if you dont get 4. 2% exactly? That would be lame. I will have my secretary waiting for your reply.

 

[Teich]

Start of round "2" looks quite good! I use fuel treatment for the lube/cleaning properties in my Cummins CR never really noticed an improvement in mileage or power it was very good when i got the truck, it likely is better but hard to tell if you 'test' on most every drive. Before the Dodge I had a 2004 VW diesel, a 'pd' fuel system, used Stanadyne it it,better mileage, I calculated each fill by hand, used Stanadyne Perf. it improved a little switched to PowerUP Gen49 improved again but this time quite a bit better I think about4-5mpg. car also ran better and performance was better. It is treated at a rate of 8ml/10l The Cummins may get better mileage and power likely does , I use the stuff to help the fuel system last , one never knows how good the fuel is, everyone says the additives are added before delivered to retailer but are they???? Laurie

 

[LNaugle]

When i lived in Phoenix in my younger years i was shop foreman for a huge shop that mostly worked on diesels and had a conversation with our major fuel supplier about their diesel. He told me the only thing they add to their diesel is dye for offroad. A local fuel supplier i talked to said they add power service in their fuel, which i could smell, and why i asked. The other local supplier told me they dont add anything so i only use their stations. Not a fan of PS. I also believe that our gains may be more than usual on some vehicles due to our elevation and lack of oxygen. GAMES... . WHERE YOU AT? I would hate to think you would purposley not let me pay for the Stanadyne and then ask me for $ again.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Just to let you KNOW IF YOUR FUEL MAN TOLD YOU THAT THERE IS NOTHING ADDED TO YOUR DIESEL FUEL YOU CAN REST ASSRUED HE'S FULL OF I TRIED TO BY-PASS THE CUSSING FILTER!!!!!! For 27 Years I was employed by Chevron and Hauled fuel to AZ MANY!!!!!! TIMES When the pipeline was down. I also have been all over the country as a Mutual assist when things like Sandy hit's the fan form New England to FL, Wa to Ca, Tex, Ok LA take your pick. THERE IS AN ADDITIVE IN All!!!!!! ALL!!!! sense the time they went from regular Dino diesel to LSD and more when it went to ULSD.



So let you fuel man try to BLOW SMOKE up somebody Else's dress it AINT CUTTING HERE!!!



If there is a need for a rebuttal I will be back in about 4 days and we can continue HOW FULL OF I TRIED TO BY-PASS THE CUSSING FILTER YOUR STATEMENT ABOVE IS



Your Friend and ALWAYS THE BIGGEST A** HOLE ON TDR



BIG

 

[LNaugle]

Whatever *****hole... Was union 76 over on 51st and Buckeye. Just reporting what he told me... . YOU F^&kin *****holes are the reason there isnt more knowledgable people to help others on this site and others. Full of ****? was just reporting what i was told. All you fU$%^n naysayers expect everybody to believe all your negative statements? Besides this was back in 1993, 20 years ago for you that were about to get your calculator out. SO what kind of additives did Chevron use since we are not even talking about the same company and what was their purpose? Let me guess... You were hauling to Flagstaff and they were adding anti-gel for winter... :-laf

 

[BigPapa]

Wow.



Wow.....



What's happening here? I think I'm going to add diesel fuel additives to my Grandad's advice about talking about religion and politics.



LNaugle, with all due respect, I think you're being a bit over sensitive here. Your use of masked vulgarity also costs you respect, at least from me.



I know Gary from years here on TDR and I've personally met him when he broke down close to our shop in Dickson, TN. Honestly, he has surprised me here, too, getting so riled up. Gary knows his stuff and does most of his own work if he's able. I've never known him to be dishonorable. He will give you an honest try on the Stanadyne and I'm sure if he sees improvement he'll start using it.



Big can be a crusty old codger, but I think you mistake his witticism as hateful sarcasm.



Gary, I hope you do get to try the Stanadyne. If I could afford it, I'd buy you some to try. I would like to hear an honest assessment from someone like yourself that WILL put it to the test and give it an honest shot.



Getting this wound up over whether someone believes in additives or not is definitely not worth it. I use Stanadyne Performance. I believe in it, but I honestly couldn't care less if someone else uses it or not.



Just my $. 02... .

 

[Tractorat]

I thought the only reason to add stanodyne was because of lubricity for the vp ? (so only 98. 5 to 02) know it doesnt get me any better mileage or power.

 

[GAmes]

Make sure you calculate enough for the whole trip, and are you really going to not donate all the money even if you dont get 4. 2% exactly? That would be lame. I will have my secretary waiting for your reply.

I am excited that you stepped up to the plate.



I am going to Austin Fuel Injection http://theaustinfuelinjection.com/



I pulled the estimate of fuel to be used from a mental calculation. Since I have a taker, I dug up some recent records, including a similar cargo trailer I towed from Bellingham, WA to Portland, ME in July. My base mileage empty is 22. 37 measured from Billings, MT to Lampasas, TX in September. Mileage with the trailer was 13. 03 mpg from Billings, MT to La Porte, IN. In your favor I doubt I'll be running the A/C very much this trip, on the other hand there is winter fuel up north (I hope, temp in Regina this morning was 24). So, I think that will be pretty much a wash. So using those figures it should take me 22. 12 gallons to get to Springdale, then 102. 38 gallons to get to Regina(124. 5 gallons total). 14. 69 MPG overall. A 4. 2% increase would drop the fuel required to 119. 46 gallons, 5 fewer gallons. 5 gallons at $4 per gallon is the cost of 4 bottles.



I will donate $100 if I use less than 120 gallons, $50 if I use more than 120 gallons, and you will add another $100. Fair enough?

 

[LNaugle]

First off... i want to apologize for my vulgarity, my bro has the gift of gab but i do not. I do not appreciate being insulted like i was a 22 year old straight out of tech school. I am an honest man and maybe a lil too trusting in my younger years. If we were all in the same room it would not have went this far... . Respect would hopefully be had by all. Unfortuneatly gary and i have never met, so how do I know he is not some guy surfing forums talking crap about fuel additives and sitting in his garage at home amongst cases of them? OR, making money talking crap? I am going to take your word for it sensing your honesty, Big Papa... I could have cared less except the insults kept coming, honest man can only take so much when you were gifted with size and agility, and not the gift of gab. I started flipping cars and trucks at 13, worked at the GM Proving Grounds til it closed then went heavy equipment and semis working my way to shop foreman at 29. I feel my knowledge is helpful here, i dont go to other forums, dont have time. I am not wound up about the additives , its the insults. SO GAMES... . 120 gallons for whole trip? I will buy you the 64 oz. jug at Austin fuel injection tomorrow, use it as it says and dont use extra, doesnt help. I will donate a $100 just for you picking the product up. I do not want paid back for the additive, but please use it all and report ANY findings. IS THAT FAIR ENOUGH ?

 

[BigPapa]

Thanks for the apology LNaugle. We all get a bit wound up when we take things personally. No worries.

 

[mwilson]

Wow.



Wow.....



What's happening here? I think I'm going to add diesel fuel additives to my Grandad's advice about talking about religion and politics.



LNaugle, with all due respect, I think you're being a bit over sensitive here. Your use of masked vulgarity also costs you respect, at least from me.



I know Gary from years here on TDR and I've personally met him when he broke down close to our shop in Dickson, TN. Honestly, he has surprised me here, too, getting so riled up. Gary knows his stuff and does most of his own work if he's able. I've never known him to be dishonorable. He will give you an honest try on the Stanadyne and I'm sure if he sees improvement he'll start using it.



Big can be a crusty old codger, but I think you mistake his witticism as hateful sarcasm.



Gary, I hope you do get to try the Stanadyne. If I could afford it, I'd buy you some to try. I would like to hear an honest assessment from someone like yourself that WILL put it to the test and give it an honest shot.



Getting this wound up over whether someone believes in additives or not is definitely not worth it. I use Stanadyne Performance. I believe in it, but I honestly couldn't care less if someone else uses it or not.



Just my $. 02... .

Well said, Scott.



I am really looking forward to the results, I trust both Gary and LNaugle based on my interactions with them on this forum and am certain that an honest result will be posted.



Also, don't take Big the wrong way.



Mike.