Engine/Transmission (1994 - 1998) Fuel Additives

[GAmes]

:-laf Do I have time to get use to my new leg :-laf



YOUR BUTT up to 17miles in a saddle? Most peoples A** are begging for mercy after about 3 hours and at 3mph 17 miles is a long long long day

You have about 9 months until next summer, but I have no clue how long it takes to get used to a new leg.



You forget that I'm in the seat of my Dodge (on paper) up to 11 hrs a day, and would I fudge a log book?:-laf I've never been in a saddle on any type of critter, but I'd give it a shot.

 

[hsmith]

My money is on you Gary. The pics would alone be a pleasure for us all.

 

[BIGNASTY]

You forget I was an O/O for a few years I ran MORE THAN 1 LOG BOOK. Many known ways around scales. But it ain't NOTHING like riding on a saddle with an animal straining to get its self up the pass and you are a passenger on one of these back and forth side to side up and down. :-laf I dont care HOW PRETTY IT IS when your A** is a hurting you cant think of NOTHING BUT GETTIN OFF. Take your pick they ALL feel like a PARK BENCH. Those 2 at the bottom are in their pullin harness but do they look like they care if your butt is a hurting (no passengers on them not even me but they dont like stopping to very much. )

 

[BIGNASTY]

But your right it is one pretty ride

 

[GAmes]

I'm still game to give it a shot. If it turns out to be a miserable experience, well, lets just say it wouldn't be my first bad decision. :-laf Seriously, I'll be ready when you are. You won't laugh if I bring my pup tent cot will you? I think I still have it somewhere.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Sure if you feel good in a small tent without any amenities knock yourself out but just to let you know I would be in the one below. :-laf I MAY LOOK STUPID but I AINT NO FOOL

 

[GAmes]

That's a relief. The cot is (as I remember) pretty comfortable, but it is only about 5 inches off the ground. Not sure if I could still get down there, then back up. :-laf

 

[BIGNASTY]

During Hunting season myself and my Nephew have been in the saddle or packing or unpacking NON STOP for as long as 3 days. When it comes time to take a breather I HAVE TO HAVE A NICE PLACE TO REST MY HEAD. Im not PO ed or anything near that but most of the people see the nice pictures and the great food the smiling faces. But that aint what some have to do to make all that come about. This I TRIED TO BY-PASS THE CUSSING FILTER is hard long hours of work. At times I would be happy driving back to So Ca to rest up from VACATION TIME at work behind the wheel of my truck.

 

[hsmith]

How rewarding!! Ample supply of Ben Gay and Aleve just in case. LOL

 

[BIGNASTY]

Not just in case... ... ..... BY THE CASE !!!!!!!!!



Got a sore spot on your bottom? not a problem slap some of this on at nite in the AM good to go!!!!!!!!

 

[GAmes]

Well, I have an idea. When you are back in service would you consider a TDR member only fishing trek? With a little notice I believe there are enough of us old timers, and possibly new members, to fill out one of your expeditions. Of course, the standard 10% discount would apply:-laf Take your time, don't tell me to go to hell immediately.

 

[LNaugle]

Changed my driving habits? NO. I DRIVE my trucks, yes they are both modified, the 12er has #6 fuel plate, tork tech. overflow valve, aurora 3000 turbo with a pulse manifold,timing advanced to 15 degrees,120 horse injectors,star wheel tuned to as little as possible smoke, 4. 10 gears. . my truck was only getting 300-350 miles per tank, with the stanadyne i regularly get 450. I tried not using it once and the sticky spot came back and didnt wait til it was empty. my 03 i did check and i lose 2mpg without the stanadyne. As far as me "giving" you stanadyne, I give every customer their first $5 bottle because it sells itself, maybe you should contact Stanadyne themselves and ask them for the freebie, otherwise i could wait for my bro-in-law to come up from Austin to get DPFs and cats in his 93 dually and send an extra back with him... He drives all over Texas recycling,maybe you guys could meet up. btw... i love deep sea fishing but its kind of hard to do where we live...

 

[BIGNASTY]

Well, I have an idea. When you are back in service would you consider a TDR member only fishing trek? With a little notice I believe there are enough of us old timers, and possibly new members, to fill out one of your expeditions. Of course, the standard 10% discount would apply:-laf Take your time, don't tell me to go to hell immediately.

Havent got the slightest idea of how and when I could do anything right now. As far as TDR old timers I dont think we have that many sets of training wheels for the mules, would have to ask the other Packers around town if I could use some of their CITY SLICKER training wheels :-laf 10% One look at you guys and the mules would go on strike for 30%MORE

 

[GAmes]

Changed my driving habits? NO. I DRIVE my trucks, yes they are both modified, the 12er has #6 fuel plate, tork tech. overflow valve, aurora 3000 turbo with a pulse manifold,timing advanced to 15 degrees,120 horse injectors,star wheel tuned to as little as possible smoke, 4. 10 gears. . my truck was only getting 300-350 miles per tank, with the stanadyne i regularly get 450. I tried not using it once and the sticky spot came back and didnt wait til it was empty. my 03 i did check and i lose 2mpg without the stanadyne. As far as me "giving" you stanadyne, I give every customer their first $5 bottle because it sells itself, maybe you should contact Stanadyne themselves and ask them for the freebie, otherwise i could wait for my bro-in-law to come up from Austin to get DPFs and cats in his 93 dually and send an extra back with him... He drives all over Texas recycling,maybe you guys could meet up. btw... i love deep sea fishing but its kind of hard to do where we live...

I'm not suggesting you "give" me anything. I'm suggesting you put your money where your mouth is. There isn't much point in trying one bottle. The problem with that is a one tank test isn't really indicative of any increase or decrease in MPG. With my aux tank I carry 85 gallons, I need three bottles, just to start. Even then, my mileage can fluctuate considerably due to wind, load, traffic, terrain, temp, etc. In the course of 1000 miles true mileage figures come out. In addition, if it is free, I can't tell anyone if it is cost effective to purchase it. I did some internet searching and with tax and shipping an 8oz bottle sells from $4. 52 to over $10, depending on the quantity of bottles you buy. Thus the need to know how much I owe you if the claims are legit.



The long and short of it is that I am not willing to spend my money in an effort to verify your claims. Are you confident ... ... ... or not?

 

[GAmes]

One look at you guys and the mules would go on strike for 30%MORE

:-laf:-laf:-laf

 

[BIGNASTY]

Now that sounds like a good challenge Im up for that also tell ,Show me why I should change from Amalgamated to Stanadyne I have seen Stanadyne but never tried it would it give the same results as above. Because I HAVE NEVER SEEN THE MILEAGE GAIN OR THE POWER I just use it as a lube.

 

[WalterJ]

KB0OU:



I stand corrected. Your friendly challenge & RV time in Orlando area, prompted me to investigate further. This truck forum continues to be one of the best.



Reference:

ASTM D6079 - 11 Standard Test Method for Evaluating Lubricity of Diesel Fuels by the High-Frequency Reciprocating Rig (HFRR)



These results are listed in the order of performance in the HFRR test. The baseline fuel used in every test started at an HFRR score of 636. The score shown is the tested HFRR score of the baseline fuel/additive blend.

Also included is the wear scar improvement provided by the additive as well as other claimed benefits of the additive. Each additive is also categorized as a Multi-purpose additive, Multi-purpose + anti-gel, Lubricity only, non-conventional, or as an additive capable of treating both gasoline and diesel fuel.

As a convenience to the reader there is also information on price per treated tank of diesel fuel (using a 26 gallon tank), and dosage per 26 gallon tank provided as “ounces of additive per 26 gallon tank”.



In Order Of Performance:



1) 2% REG SoyPower biodiesel

HFRR 221, 415 micron improvement.

50:1 ratio of baseline fuel to 100% biodiesel

66. 56 oz. of 100% biodiesel per 26 gallons of diesel fuel

Price: market value



2)Opti-Lube XPD

Multi-purpose + anti-gel

cetane improver, demulsifier

HFRR 317, 319 micron improvement.

256:1 ratio

13 oz/tank

$4. 35/tank



3)FPPF RV, Bus, SUV Diesel/Gas fuel treatment

Gas and Diesel

cetane improver, emulsifier

HFRR 439, 197 micron improvement

640:1 ratio

5. 2 oz/tank

$2. 60/tank



4)Opti-Lube Summer Blend

Multi-purpose

demulsifier

HFRR 447, 189 micron improvement

3000:1 ratio

1. 11 oz/tank

$0. 68/tank



5)Opti-Lube Winter Blend

Muti-purpose + anti-gel

cetane improver

HFRR 461, 175 micron improvement

512:1 ratio

6. 5 oz/tank

$3. 65/tank



6)Schaeffer Diesel Treat 2000

Multi-purpose + anti-gel

cetane improver, emulsifier, bio-diesel compatible

HFRR 470, 166 micron improvement

1000:1 ratio

3. 32 oz/tank

$1. 87/tank



7)Super Tech Outboard 2-cycle TC-W3 engine oil

Unconventional (Not ULSD compliant, may damage 2007 or newer systems)

HFRR 474, 162 micron improvement

200:1 ratio

16. 64 oz/tank

$1. 09/tank



8)Stanadyne Lubricity Formula

Lubricity Only

demulsifier, 5% bio-diesel compatible, alcohol free

HFRR 479, 157 micron improvement

1000:1 ratio

3. 32 oz/tank

$1. 00/tank



9)Amsoil Diesel Concentrate

Multi-purpose

demulsifier, bio-diesel compatible, alcohol free

HFRR 488, 148 micron improvement

640:1 ratio

5. 2 oz/tank

$2. 16/tank



10)Power Service Diesel Kleen + Cetane Boost

Multi-purpose

Cetane improver, bio-diesel compatible, alcohol free

HFRR 575, 61 micron improvement

400:1 ratio

8. 32 oz/tank

$1. 58/tank



11)Howe’s Meaner Power Kleaner

Multi-purpose

Alcohol free

HFRR 586, 50 micron improvement

1000:1 ratio

3. 32 oz/tank

$1. 36/tank



12)Stanadyne Performance Formula

Multi-purpose + anti-gel

cetane improver, demulsifier, 5% bio-diesel compatible, alcohol free

HFRR 603, 33 micron improvement

480:1 ratio

6. 9 oz/tank

$4. 35/tank



13)Used Motor Oil, Shell Rotella T 15w40, 5,000 miles used.

Unconventional (Not ULSD compliant, may damage systems)

HFRR 634, 2 micron improvement

200:1 ratio

16. 64 oz/tank

price: market value



14)Lucas Upper Cylinder Lubricant

Gas or diesel

HFRR 641, 5 microns worse than baseline (statistically insignificant change)

427:1 ratio

7. 8 oz/tank

$2. 65/tank



15)B1000 Diesel Fuel Conditioner by Milligan Biotech

Multi-purpose, canola oil based additive

HFRR 644, 8 microns worse than baseline (statistically insignificant change)

1000:1 ratio

3. 32 oz/tank

$2. 67/tank



16)FPPF Lubricity Plus Fuel Power

Multi-purpose + anti-gel

Emulsifier, alcohol free

HFRR 675, 39 microns worse than baseline fuel

1000:1 ratio

3. 32 oz/tank

$1. 12/tank



17)Marvel Mystery Oil

Gas, oil and Diesel fuel additive (NOT ULSD compliant, may damage 2007 and newer systems)

HFRR 678, 42 microns worse than baseline fuel.

320:1 ratio

10. 4 oz/tank

$3. 22/tank



18)ValvTect Diesel Guard Heavy Duty/Marine Diesel Fuel Additive

Multi-purpose

Cetane improver, emulsifier, alcohol free

HFRR 696, 60 microns worse than baseline fuel

1000:1 ratio

3. 32 oz/tank

$2. 38/tank



19)Primrose Power Blend 2003

Multi-purpose

Cetane boost, bio-diesel compatible, emulsifier

HFRR 711, 75 microns worse than baseline

1066:1 ratio

3. 12 oz/tank

$1. 39/tank



CONCLUSIONS:



Products 1 through 4 were able to improve the unadditized fuel to an HFRR score of 460 or better. This meets the most strict requirements requested by the Engine Manufacturers Association.

Products 1 through 9 were able to improve the unadditized fuel to an HFRR score of 520 or better, meeting the U. S. diesel fuel requirements for maximum wear scar in a commercially available diesel fuel.

Products 16 through 19 were found to cause the fuel/additive blend to perform worse than the baseline fuel. The cause for this is speculative. This is not unprecedented in HFRR testing and can be caused by alcohol or other components in the additives. Further investigation into the possibilities behind these poor results will investigated.

Any additive testing within +/- 20 microns of the baseline fuel could be considered to have no significant change. The repeatability of this test allows for a +/- 20 micron variability to be considered insignificant.





Parent Category: General Cummins

Category: Fuel System

Created on Tuesday, 16 August 2011 21:46

Last Updated on Tuesday, 29 November 2011 22:45

Written by Michael Nelson

HFRR Values Of Diesel Additives

Ranking Additive HFRR

Score Improvement

Over Base Fuel Blend Ratio Doze Oz per

35 Gallons

Desired Engine Manufacture Assoc Desired <460

Standard US Standard <520

Baseline Untreated ULSD #2 Diesel Fuel 636



1 2% REG SoyPower Biodiesel 221 415 50:1 86. 9

2 Opti-Lube XPD 317 319 256:1 17. 5

3 FPPF RV, Bus, SUV

Diesel/Gas Fuel Treatment 439 197 640:1 7. 0

4 Opti-Lube Summer Blend 447 189 3000:1 1. 49

5 Opti-Lube Winter Blend 461 175 512:1 8. 75

6 Schaeffer Diesel Treat 2000 470 166 1000:1 4. 48

7 Super Tech Outboard

2-Cycle TC-W3 Engine Oil 474 162 200:1 22. 4

8 Stanadyne Lubricity Formula 479 157 1000:1 4. 48

9 Amsoil Diesel Concentrate 488 148 640:1 7. 0

10 Power Service Diesel Kleen+ Cetane Boost 575 61 480:1 9. 3

11 Howe’s Meaner Power Kleaner 586 50 200:1 22. 4

12 Stanadyne Performance Formula 603 33 427:1 10. 5

13 Used Motor Oil Shell Rotella T 15W-40 5,000 miles used. 634 2 200:1 22. 4

14 Lucas Upper Cylinder Lubricant 641 -5 427:1 10. 5

15 B1000 Diesel Fuel Conditioner by Milligan Biotech 644 -8 1000:1 4. 48

16 FPPF Lubricity Plus Fuel Power 675 -39 1000:1 4. 48

17 Marvel Mystery Oil 678 -42 320:1 14

18 ValvTect Diesel Guard Heavy Duty/Marine Diesel Fuel Additive 696 -60 1000:1 4. 48

19 Primrose Power Blend 2003 711 -75 1066:1 4. 20



Products 1-4 PASS both Engine Manufacture Standards & Gov't Standards

Products 5. 9 PASS just the Gov't Standards. These products provide minimum protection.

Products 10-19 FAILED both standards. These products are NOT SUGGESTED for use in your vehicle.

Bosch Standards



Mopar1973Man Notes: Remember the above test for 2 cycle oil was done at 200:1 Ratio. But at 128:1 ranks much lower in HFRR so it will pass both Engine Manufacture & Gov't standards at 128:1 ratio.

Update - September, 19 2007

Blind Research study done by www.dieselplace.com

Here is the threads...

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=177728

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=178848

Here is the PDF file to download. Please read this document it has a lot of good information!

Diesel fuel Additive Blind Testing PDF File

This proves that all my research is on score. 2 cycle oil is a prefect fuel lubricant and WILL reduce the HFRR of fuel below that of all common additives on the market.

Update - January 3, 2009

Here is Bosch testing of fuel...

Bosch Testing of Fuels on VE, VP44, and CR Fuel Systems

Now US ULSD is at a 520 HFRR score. Untreated diesel fuel could score above 600 HFRR



Bosch VP44 injection pump with a passing grade at 400 HFRR. I'm fairly sure that 128:1 ratio of 2 cycle oil exceeds the 400 HFRR score.



Now US ULSD is at a 520 HFRR score. Untreated diesel fuel could score above 600 HFRR



Now Common Rail Engines passing grade at 460 HFRR now a 200:1 ratio of 2 cycle oil is very close to this score.





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[GAmes]

I knew it was only a matter of time before that bogus "study" would pop up. You ask, why does Gary think the article is bogus? Let me count the obvious ways.



1] In the early part of the article the author just states that ULSD lacks lubricity. No proof, no reference, just a supposition.



2] He uses fuel that is not availailable to the public. What good is that, and what does that prove?



3] He supposedly has a machine that tests lubricity. So why didn't he test the pump fuel from several different truck stops and convenience stores? Could it be that he actually had the machine, then tested some fuel and found it met specs?



4] If he really had the machine, and had used pump fuel he could have reported if the additives increased lubricity higher than spec, if they didn't add anything (the point of decreasing return) or if they decreased lubricity due to noncomparibility. That would be something worth reading!



Keep in mind that lots of D-Max owners were so gullible when that was posted that they believed the "engine braking" of the D-Max/Ally combo was just as effective as an exhaust brake on a Cummins or P-stroke. It was only fitting they would swallow the BS, then spread the "word".



One other thing, there is no need to apologize to KBUOO. He asked;

"Walter,

I quote you,,,,"It's not designed for our combustion pressures & temperatures, but rather for outboard motors & chainsaws. Suggest going with something that is. "



On what authority do you state this, please give me a scientific reason to believe you... "



The answer is pretty simple. Read the bottle. No where on a 2 cycle oil container will you find a statement that it was designed for use as a fuel supplement in a diesel engine.

 

[hsmith]

I guess it all boils down to personal preference. If one likes it, likes the price, feels ok with it, then just use it. Those of us with 2nd gen trucks with low mileage, mine is now at 235k, will never know the end results of using or not using additives, no matter what brand. I will not live long enough to see one million miles, hopefully 500k though.

 

[RVPILOT]

I agree with GAmes, put over a million miles on first set of injectors. replaced engine with a used one from All Dodge.

the only addirive used was injector cleaner a 100% to fill up new filter. don't know if this worked but the milage speakes for itself. When the old enginewas examined it had no ridges in the bore, only # 6 had scoring. stormy