Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) fulel injection pump out

[zimman20]

Lane- I have to believe that at this point Chuck understands that he has voided his warranty with his mods (this particular part of the warranty); I think it's at the point where he wants an accurate diagnosis of the problem, not a list of 'objectionable' upgrades and changes that DC compiled. Also their diagnosis and what their cost estimate of the fix would be is highly questionable. They had it for weeks and their diagnosis seems to be an 'our best guess' scenario and may or may not fix the original problem, the cost of said 'guess' coming out of his pocket.



From the detail it just appears that he has been treated badly by DC from a perspective of fixing the actual problem, I was under the assumption he just wants it fixed at this point and is not really screaming to loudly at this part of his warranty being voided. I could be wrong... ...



zman

 

[LAnthony]

I'm sure you're right zimman20. and he took the right action getting his truck out of there and to a cummins Distributer. I am not trying to sound *****y, I just get a little defensive about people that modify my engines and then complain that they don't work as well as advertised. I also wish the contract w/ DC didn't include them covering the engine warrenty. We would take much better care of you as customers, and we know more about that engine than anyone else. -Lane-

 

[zimman20]

YOUR Engines?

So YOU'RE the Lane Anthony Cummins we've heard so much about!!! LOL

 

[LAnthony]

I guess I am kind of proud of where I work, and we are a big family. LOL

 

[zimman20]

Are they looking for help? I work for WORLDCOM!!!

 

[TurboDog]

Report them to ripoffreport.com

At the least, I would go post my story at the

www.ripoffreport.com

 

[ctingler]

fuel injection pump

thanks guys. and for u lane its not the dam money . its just when

the dealer lies to u y didnt they tell me from day 1 instead waiting 3 weeks and say well its the banks stuff . hell they hadto get programes from back east and tell me what i said that was bad about cummins anyway

 

[LAnthony]

You're right you said nothing about Cummins. I hope I didn't offend you. I guess my skin is a little thin when it comes to that sort of thing. It pisses me off as much as you that people get the run around from the DC dealers. It makes Cummins look bad. I wish DC would get it through there heads that taking care of the customer after the initial sale is more imortant than the sale itself. We at Cummins are always talking about making a customer for life. That only happens if you take good care of them. -Lane- Good luck, I hope everything turns out well for you and your truck.

 

[HVAC]

Getting Close

I'd like to recap a bit. Dodge found a code indicating a MAP problem and logically replaced the sensor. So far so good. But the code persisted. To me this would indicate a continuity problem. I've seen codes that specify low voltage to a sensor so I would have to believe the supply voltage to the MAP is OK. My impression is this is not that tough of a diagnosis. You get your multimeter out and determine what the supply voltage is to the MAP and then test the signal wire that carries the output from the MAP to the ECM. I have to believe this is where the problem is. Cumminntstrkin is all over this as well from what he posted.



The truck was towed to Cummins West in San Leandro earlier this week for diagnosis. I'm anxious to see what CW (Cummins West) comes up with cause I'm betting it's not the pump.



I'm going to be heading over that way tomorrow on a parts run and I'm hoping the boys will have this nailed down.



I think this is a great opportunity to restate one of my strong opinions. Do NOT purchase the extended warranty from Dodge. Save your money cause they don't have the capacity to properly deal with problems you might experience within the engine compartment. And no, I'm not referring to this as an isolated incident. I deal with unhappy truck owners more frequently then I care to tell. Currently I am working with a fellow with low power and poor mileage problems. What I'm saying is save your money and if you develop a problem, take your truck to Cummins. Dodge is a waste of time and money.

 

[HVAC]

NOT THE PUMP!

Chuck, the boys were working on your truck Friday and one of the things they did was to test the pump. This is the first time I've seen the Cummins tool for this purpose. I had to have it! They had one in stock and I bought it.



Bottom line is your pump tested OK. As a matter of fact, it doesn't seem to be a problem with the Cummins portion of the engine compartment. This kinda opened my eyes to a problem. Once they go so far with the diagnosis at Cummins, things get a bit foreign while working on a Ram. You may not know this but Dodge didn't adopt the Cummins engine in it's entirety. They changed a number of things, for instance the PCM is a Dodge part. The ECM was modified from the normal Cummins product. Then you have the wiring from the Cummins components to the Dodge stuff which is different.



So the scanner shows no codes in your ECM, although you may have codes in the PCM which Cummins isn't able to look at. I watched the tech try to drive it around the parking lot and it sure seems to be in "Limp Mode" It doesn't have any power.



They will be back on it early Tuesday AM. The best bet now is you have a problem with the wiring to the PCM or the PCM is not right. The PCM is the computer on the firewall on the drivers side BTW.

 

[Shovelhead]

Great news for CTingler, and those who have been following the events of this thread.



More reasons explaining why we sometimes refer to the local "5-Star" franchise the "Stealer"#@$%! #@$%! #@$%! :-{}



Geeze, I've been a Dodge man all my life... . now I'm starting to wish Ford WOULD buy Cummins.

 

[Ron Bissett]

who voided what.?

Looks like the five star voided the warranty it and voided the trust and or contract by blaming there customer for some thing that had nothing to do with the problem new grade for them five lemon dealer. Ron in Louisville KY

 

[HVAC]

Dodge Misdiagnosed The Problem

Shovelhead, thanks for following this topic and the fate of Chuck and his truck. You got it, the pump is working and is not the problem. Dodge blew it on the diagnosis.



I've been studying the manual to try and understand the wiring between the PCM/MAP/and ECM. I still think there is a problem with the MAP wiring that is prohibiting the fuel injections system from allowing the fueling rate to advance.



Ron, I'd agree with that. The dealer roughed up the customer in this case. Can you imagine a criminal system that puts you in jail forever if your caught shoplifting? Chuck admits to installing the $Bank$ system, but we have yet to determine if that caused the poor running condition the truck exibits currently. However Dodge has written him off totally.

 

[Diesel Freak]

I am glad to see that some progress has been made here.

 

[kaffine krazed]

Disconnect the pcm and see if it runs right. With the PCM disconected the engine will run but I'm not sure what the auto does if the pcm is disconnected. If it's a stick shift the gauges wont work the alternator wont charge and a few other minor things that shuldn't effect engine operation. If there is a code in the PCM the ECM should have a code saying there is a code in the compainion module.



Now tell me more about the tool to test the VP-44. Is it the box that hooks up to the VP-44 and has idle and hi-idle? How much did it cost and what does it do?

 

[HVAC]

VP44 Testing Tool

Kaffine Krazed,



I'm going to describe the tool in the products forum. I'll leave a link here. It couldn't be simpler.

 

[WeirCummin]

Nowel, I suspect this is the pump tester your talking about.



http://www.cumminsengine.co.uk/spd/sti.htm

Just scroll down to the Mid-Range engine tooling and look for the PDF file

3163834 ISB, QSB fuel pump diagnostic tool.





I've used one a couple of times that a local tech let me barrow. I had bid on one that was on Ebay but some poor sucker out bid me by paying more than list price for it.



There is a simple test that can be done by suppling 12V to pin 7 and grounding pin 6 on the VP44. This does the same thing that the tester does without the ability to command high idle

 

[Big_Daddy_T]

Cummins said they used it on my truck to diagnose a failing vp44. The truck would start and idle for about 10 minutes the wouldnt run at all. The hook up there gizmo and say it eliminates everthing but the pump so if it runs your fine if not dig deep.

 

[HVAC]

Pump Tester

The link wasn't working for me WeirCummin, but I'm sure you have seen this tool before. I like the idea that with this tool we can call Dodge's bluff. They frequently like to declare the pump faulty as a result of something a truck owner has done. Thereby disqualifying themselves of responsibility. Now I can plug this device in and if the truck starts and responds to the high idle, then we can call BS on them.

 

[work2muchplay2little]

Holset HY40VGT?!?

WeirCummin, this may be old news, but I was not aware anyone was running a variable geometry turbo. Would you mind telling us about it and how you're controlling it - if not this thread, maybe in a new one - please - please