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THIS IS VERY INTERESTING, A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE TURNED BACK FROM

CANADA.









Going to Canada? Check your past





Visitors with minor criminal records turned back at border







Friday, February 23, 2007





There was a time not long ago when a trip across the border from the United

States to Canada was accomplished with a wink and a wave of a driver's

license. Those days are over.



Take the case of 55-year-old Lake Tahoe resident Greg Felsch. Stopped at the

border in Vancouver this month at the start of a planned five-day ski trip,

he was sent back to the United States because of a DUI conviction seven

years ago. Not that he had any idea what was going on when he was told at

customs: "Your next stop is immigration. ''



Felsch was ushered into a room. "There must have been 75 people in line," he

says. "We were there for three hours. One woman was in tears.

A guy was sent back for having a medical marijuana card. I felt like a felon

with an ankle bracelet. ''



Or ask the well-to-do East Bay couple who flew to British Columbia this

month for an eight-day ski vacation at the famed Whistler Chateau, where

rooms run to $500 a night. They'd made the trip many times, but were

surprised at the border to be told that the husband would have to report to

"secondary'' immigration.



There, in a room he estimates was filled with 60 other concerned travelers,

he was told he was "a person who was inadmissible to Canada. '' The problem?

A conviction for marijuana possession.



In 1975.



Welcome to the new world of border security. Unsuspecting Americans are

turning up at the Canadian border expecting clear sailing, only to find that

their past -- sometimes their distant past -- is suddenly an issue.



While Canada officially has barred travelers convicted of criminal offenses

for years, attorneys say post-9/11 information-gathering, combined with a

sweeping agreement between Canada and the United States to share data, has

resulted in a spike in phone calls from concerned travelers.



They are shocked to hear that the sins of their youth might keep them out of

Canada. But what they don't know is that this is just the beginning. Soon

other nations will be able to look into your past when you want to travel

there.



"It's completely ridiculous,'' said Chris Cannon, an attorney representing

the East Bay couple, who asked that their names not be used because they

don't want their kids to know about the pot rap. "It's a disaster. I mean,

who didn't smoke pot in the '70s?''



We're about to find out. And don't think you are in the clear if you never

inhaled. Ever get nabbed for a DUI? How about shoplifting? Turn around. You

aren't getting in.



"From the time that you turn 18, everything is in the system,'' says Lucy

Perillo, whose Canada Border Crossing Service in Winnipeg, Manitoba, helps

Americans get into the country.



Canadian attorney David Lesperance, an expert on customs and immigration,

says he had a client who was involved in a fraternity prank 20 years ago. He

was on a scavenger hunt, and the assignment was to steal something from a

Piggly Wiggly supermarket. He got caught, paid a small fine and was ordered

to sweep the police station parking lot.



He thought it was all forgotten. And it was, until he tried to cross the

border.



The official word from the Canadian Border Services Agency is that this is

nothing more than business as usual. Spokesman Derek Mellon gets a little

huffy when asked why the border has become so strict.



"I think it is important to understand that you are entering another

country,'' Mellon says. "You are not crossing the street. ''



OK, but something changed here, didn't it?



"People say, 'I've been going to Canada for 20 years and never had a

problem,' '' Lesperance says. "It's classic. I say, 'Well, you've been

getting away with it for 20 years. ' ''



A prior record has always made it difficult to cross the border. What you

probably didn't know was that, as the Canadian Consulate's Web site says,

"Driving while under the influence of alcohol is regarded as an extremely

serious offense in Canada. ''



So it isn't as if rules have stiffened. But what has changed is the way the

information is gathered. In the wake of 9/11, Canada and the United States

formed a partnership that has dramatically increased what Lesperance calls

"the data mining'' system at the border.



The Smart Border Action Plan, as it is known, combines Canadian intelligence

with extensive U. S. Homeland Security information. The partnership began in

2002, but it wasn't until recently that the system was refined.



"They can call up anything that your state trooper in Iowa can,''

Lesperance says. "As Canadians and Americans have begun cooperating, all

those indiscretions from the '60s are going to come back and haunt us. ''



Now, there's a scary thought. But the irony of the East Bay couple's

situation is inescapable. Since their rowdy days in the '70s, they have

created and sold a publishing company, purchased extensive real estate

holdings and own a $3 million getaway home in Lake Tahoe.



"We've done pretty well since those days,'' she says. "But what I wonder is

how many other people might be affected. ''



The Canadian Border Services Agency says its statistics don't show an

increase in the number of travelers turned back. But Cannon says that's

because the "data mining'' has just begun to pick up momentum.



"It is too new to say,'' he says. "Put it this way. I am one lawyer in San

Francisco, and I've had four of these cases in the last two years, two since

January. And remember, a lot of people don't want to talk about it (because

of embarrassment). ''



Asked if there were more cases, attorney Lesperance was emphatic.



"Oh, yeah,'' he says. "Just the number of calls I get has gone up. If we

factor in the greater ability to discover these cases, it is just

mathematically logical that we are going to see more. ''



The lesson, the attorneys say, is that if you must travel to Canada, you

should apply for "a Minister's Approval of Rehabilitation" to wipe the

record clear.



Oh, and by the way, if you don't need to travel to Canada, don't think you

won't need to clear your record. Lesperance says it is just a matter of time

before agreements are signed with governments in destinations like Japan,

Indonesia and Europe.



"This,'' Lesperance says, "is just the edge of the wedge. ''



Who would have thought a single, crazy night in college would follow you

around the world?



------------------------------------------------------------------------

Rules for getting



into Canada



For more information on offenses that prohibit entry to Canada, go to the

Canadian Consulate's Web site at

geo. international. gc. ca/can-am/seattle/visas/inadmissible-en. asp

<http://geo. international. gc. ca/can-am/seattle/visas/inadmissible-en. asp>;.



For more information on visiting Canada, go to cic. gc. ca <http://cic. gc. ca>.



This article appeared on page A - 1 of the San Francisco Chronicle
 
My daughter was turned back in the 90's for a three year old DUI too. This was around the time it was discovered that Canada allowed a WWII Nazi war criminal to live there for over 40 years under his real name. I guess if you kill a few million Jews it's ok to live in Canada. Just don't get gigged for drinking and driving.
 
A friend of mine was turned back last fall for having a bar fight on his record from here last summer. The rest of the group went bird hunting anyway while he rented a car and drove home.
 
I need to forward this to my sister,and her boyfriend who are headed to Nothern Manitoba in June for a fishing trip. I know she got caught for shoplifting a few years ago,and I think her boyfriend mentioned he wasn't always a good egg in his youth. I hope this doesn't ruin their chances of having a fun relaxing fishing trip. They have spent a ton of money on this trip. Thanks for the heads up.



Chris
 
Gee, I wonder if we can get Mexico to work something like that out with us? You know, stop the criminals at the border. :rolleyes:



Mexico insists we should let their population into the US unhindered. I think that the USA should insist Canada do the same for us. Don't see that happening either.



I think it's a little over the top to nail folks for old or minor stuff, and especially old, minor stuff, but good for them for realizing that a country shouldn't have to let every Tom, Dick, and Juan in without question. We should follow in the same manner.
 
We ve been snowmobileing up there for years,and they've pulled this bs for a long time. Wait till you try to go back after you have been denied once-heck they will take you to the clink for that. Most of the guys I ride with have got pardons so you dont get harassed.
 
they don't want their kids to know about the pot rap.



If you can't do the time, don't do the crime:)



Sounds like a good honest family relationship.



The real sad irony is comparing this to the south border debacle, neh?





But then I'll get really really #@$%! #@$%! #@$%!
 
Gee what a warm fuzzy feeling us Canadians get here. Not trying to start a war here but don't fool yourself, there are plenty of extreme stories of Canadians getting shot down coming south as well. Do you really think the Canadian border patrol is any more critical than the US border patrol?



A co-worker of mine got checked out while coming to the US. When he was in his late teens he got charged with possession for having a joint in his smoke pack. The charges were later dropped yet this was still a stain on his record. US immigration told him go home and next time they'd toss him in Jail, part of a ZERO tolerance policy which both borders have. Cost him $500 and a little over a year to get a pardon so he could once again enter the US.



The fact that a DUI can get you turned back at Canadian border is nothing new. Is it really a surprise that drug and narcotics offences will get you in trouble at the border!! Don't forget weapons offences either. If you have a record and want to go to Canada get a pardon or whatever they call it to clear your record.



On another note... I love it here. Less taxes, easier to own fire arms, beers are way cheaper (but taste funny :D ) and I can drive whatever I want without a safety inspection or E check (where I live anyway) Oo. . Goodies for the truck are cheaper and easier to come by too.



Mike
 
I went to Thunder Bay a few weeks ago with my wife niether of us have been in trouble before. We were told to pull over we gave the immigration officer our drivers licenses and we were on our way in 5 minutes. It has always been my experience that it is way harder to get back in the US. United States Border patrol agents love to search cars. Anyways point of my story is do a little research before you head up and dont endanger peoples lives by drunk driving and expect to be treated the same way everytime someone runs your criminal history even if it is 10-20 years old I know everyone screws up but convictions like that sort of put a black mark on your credibility. One more thing for you Las Vegas boys if people kept their *** home where it belonged Vegas would be a dried up ghost town in the desert. ;)
 
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You can take a firearm. Just do the paperwork up front and in advance. I took my 12 ga. for personal protection in bear country. After I did all the paperwork the border agent just glanced at it. No big deal.
 
We do need something similar for our southern border, but it is impossible to keep the coyotes out of 1800mi of border. At least Canadians are civilized enough to enter through a highway checkpoint. Ask a "Southerner" if he came in on a highway; or if he swam a river, walked for days across the desert, rode a burro, hitched a ride in a van with 40 others, etc.



While I do not completely agree with turning people back for a pot possession or bar fightfrom the 70s, it IS a foreign country, and that country has the right to allow or disallow anyone it chooses. We should do the same here.



Daniel
 
Anyone have a number of $$ that American tourists spend up there? Let em eat snow.



works both ways my friend ----both ways---the US boarder guards are just as bad and nitpicky---- i'll enjoy the snow i'm eating as i turn the taps off to the oil and gas we send south:D
 
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