half ton diesel - why?

[DonFitzwater]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!!!!!! You can't make this stuff up. I never get tired of the banter.

 

[BIGNASTY]

It must be the Kenyan Dumocrap influence doing this also :-laf



One of the big questions for budgeting a European vacation is the price of gas. In short, European prices are considerably higher than they are in America, about 2. 3 x higher.

Make no mistake: the price of the raw gas is about the same as the U. S. , but Europe taxes gasoline at a higher rate. At the moment, taxes in France make up about 56 percent of the pump price. For comparison, the U. S. federal gasoline tax of of 2005 was 18. 4 cents per gallon, with each State adding between 10 and 33 cents of tax, according to Widipedia. That makes the maximum gasoline tax rate 17% in the U. S. In actuality, the actual price of gas excluding taxes is pretty constant across countries: gas prices excluding taxes (read the first row).

 

[jhenderson]

Please read what I posted carefully. I said drive in the US. Gas cost less than $4 when they went. 2nd, they made one trip out and one trip back. Why buy a month pass for over $500 when your trip costs $260? My point is , as long as fuel is cheaper here than in Europe,long distance mass transit in the will always cost way too much to be an option for most people in the US. None of this takes into consideration the train workers strike that they had to deal with while there. Please don't tell me that couldn't happen here.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Please read what I posted carefully. I said drive in the US. Gas cost less than $4 when they went. 2nd, they made one trip out and one trip back. Why buy a month pass for over $500 when your trip costs $260? My point is , as long as fuel is cheaper here than in Europe,long distance mass transit in the will always cost way too much to be an option for most people in the US. None of this takes into consideration the train workers strike that they had to deal with while there. Please don't tell me that couldn't happen here.

Agreed!!! with the price of fuel



Son and Daughter went to schools that were out of bounds IMO (USC and UCLA) but that is where they wanted to go so WHAT EVER!!! They both got tired of the drive AT LEAST AN HOUR AND A HALF each way 5 days a week going into and out of LA I gave them the gas cards to pay their fuel I got them for free for doing my job So it wasn't the gas it was time,in big cities GRIDLOCK is a way of life I have been to many in my helping of cities get back on their feet after some disaster going thru Atlanta at the wrong time is a life threatening event AND THAT IS NO EXAGERATION!!!!! Chicago, Detroit and others. So what the kids ended up doing was the metro link they road a bike to the station got on board in no time they were almost at their schools rode the bike to school and back to the station and home. Had most of their school work done on the train coming home.



In Europe and SOME CITIES in the US its not much of a choice of Mass Transit its use it or loose time in traffic. I have heard that in NY city that parking costs are more than a frigging car payment???



This is all I was saying is it is a DIFFERENT KIND of LIFESTYLE and the American People are in Love with the freedom of the Hwy and they are paying for that freedom.



And im no different I like to do the driving but IM PAYING FOR IT ALSO and I DONT LIKE THE PRICE OF FUEL EITHER I know that it dont cost them anymore to produce it than it did when I first started to haul fuel the refineries didnt change that much! it was the cost of labor and the cost of oil!! AND NO HARVEY IT JUST DIDNT HAPPEN WHEN THE KENYAN DUMOCRAPS GOT INTO OFFICE DADDY and BABY Bush were 2 of the BIGGEST THIEVES IN HISTORY.



Im sorry if this offended anyone it's JMO and it seems as thou you cant voice it unless someone gets a wedgie and sings soprano about that if its different than theirs

BIG

 

[BIGNASTY]

Now back to the point of the post Why 1/2 ton Diesel? Mileage we have seen that gas cost more in places so that is why Europe has MANY cars that get 50 miles to the gallon and diesel is cheaper than gas there. Its our Government that for some reason that I dont know (im sure that we will here why ) they dont want diesel its faster to produce so less time = more profit JMO

BIG

 

[hsmith]

I've always had a gut feeling that the reason diesel prices progressed past that of regular gasoling is because of the demand. Folks like us with our trucks have increased the demand tremendously over the last 15 years or so. It is all about profit, and lots of it for the producers.
So what do we do? Keep buying because we are not getting rid of our trucks. I'm planning a long overdue extended vacation soon to the north west and knowing if fuel price is going to be an issue I should not go. I'll just take along an extra grand or so.

 

[RustyJC]

Along with the increased refining costs associated with ULSD as well as seasonal heating oil demand, it's the global market for diesel fuel that drives the price up. With 50% or more of the vehicles in Europe being diesel powered as well as the diesel fuel demand for power generation and construction in developing countries such as China and India, the U. S. refiners export diesel fuel and import gasoline from refineries in areas such as Europe where demand for gasoline is lower.



Also don't forget - Federal and most State fuel tax is higher on diesel than gasoline. The message is - politicians in the U. S. generally don't like diesel powered vehicles!!!



Rusty

 

[BIGNASTY]

Along with the increased refining costs associated with ULSD as well as seasonal heating oil demand, it's the global market for diesel fuel that drives the price up. With 50% or more of the vehicles in Europe being diesel powered as well as the diesel fuel demand for power generation and construction in developing countries such as China and India, the U. S. refiners export diesel fuel and import gasoline from refineries in areas such as Europe where demand for gasoline is lower.



Rusty

Want a kicker on that one :-laf

When I hauled fuel we use to have what was called Trans Mix, When they send gas up the pipeline to an outlaying distribution rack and then they send Diesel up the same pipeline there is a point that the two mix its not good gas or good diesel its a TRANSPORTATION MIX they store it in a tank and sell if off when the price is right. I use to fill up with trans mix take it to a Chevron ship waiting in San Pedro Ca. drop the fuel it went on a ship that just brought over JET fuel for overseas planes to use mostly to the Asain countries from their refineries. They didnt pay top dollar for the stuff because it was not good until processed and brought it back for their planes and didnt have to pay taxes on the fuel in the US because it wasn't OUR FUEL and THEY made a profit on this BOTH WAYS!!!! and we couldn't do this??? It aint a big jump from Trans Mix to cheap GAS or Diesel and with a little more work make diesel into Jet fuel



Ya it maybe Global but its a very small globe

 

[jhenderson]

Agreed all the way around. We don't realize how expensive most things are in Europe. The people there are so used to it they don't notice until they come here for a visit.

 

[JR]

And the wages dont reflect the higher costs of living by any means. Weve got a reliability guy that comes from UK everytime we have to rebuild one of our reactors. He works for the same company (were a global company) and yet hes making less money than a mechanic at top rate. A similar position here at our facility would net a salary of app. 12k more than the mechanics rate.

 

[BIGNASTY]

And the wages dont reflect the higher costs of living by any means. Weve got a reliability guy that comes from UK everytime we have to rebuild one of our reactors. He works for the same company (were a global company) and yet hes making less money than a mechanic at top rate. A similar position here at our facility would net a salary of app. 12k more than the mechanics rate.

Really???
When I was working :-laf (if you can call what I did work) the company would send the Driver Trainers to different places to see how it was done there and look at different safety issues. Went to several places and Europe drivers made more if you figured the dollar to ? ratio it was just their tax structure that was out of control. We would make 28 dollars an hour and get taxed say 20% they would make 50 an hour but get taxed like 40% so really is there that much difference.

Tax structure for the Netherlands
6. PERSONAL INCOME TAX
6. 1 Tax rates
The Tax Plan does not substantially change the existing personal income tax rates. The maximum rate of 52% will be due insofar as the taxable income exceeds EUR 55,991. However, during the election campaign, several left wing parties have proposed to increase the top rate for income over EUR 150,000. In the Tax Act to Combat the Deficit which was adopted in the summer of 2012, a temporal extra tax burden is already included. In March 2013 employers will have to pay a rate of 16% over wages earned above the threshold of EUR 150,000 in the calendar year 2012, resulting in a total wage tax burden on this income of 68%. This extra wage tax contribution is an extra cost for the employer, and cannot be recovered from the employees. Some left wing parties might want to prolong this employers' levy, but the right wing parties are probably not in favour of such prolongation.

 

[RonD]

If you test drove a new BMW X5 gas V6, then do the same with the X5-D Diesel you will fully understand. The 6. 7 Cummins is a load hauling truck engine,m there are a few very good auto Diesel engines out there that do a great job at what they were designed for.

half ton diesel - WHY? "customers craving this" V6 3L turbo, egr, dpf, manufactured by italy's vm motori, owned by fiat/chyrsler & gm. What would the duty cycle need to be for this to be trouble free? since it's so much smaller than 6. 7 will be ok to get groceries? OK... will be interesting.

 

[JR]

BIG, the way our company bases there wages is by (1) company profits and (2) comparable wages in the area of similar trade. We make a highly profitable product in Titanium Tetrachloride and Titanium Dioxide and for that reason weve always been the highest paid company in our area (as a welder/fitter). David (from the UK) never disclosed his wages to us (or at least to me) but when we told him what the top rate mechanics are making here he about coughed a lung. Said it seriously made him consider making a big move across the pond. He was also baffled at the size of our vehicles over here. He thought his rental which was a charger was large. Then one morning I pulled into the parking lot with my truck as he was getting out of his car :-laf. He didnt know what to think about that big rattle trap under the hood.

You could very well be right about the offset in taxes and maybe he was figuring all that in in his head. I dont get out of my corner of the woods very often so I wouldnt know

 

[Bonecollector34]

Found this, could be discontinued by now.

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/0...ng-four-cylinder-diesel-for-nissan-titan.html

That truck is supposed to hit early next year. There is talks of possibly being released end of this year.

 

[HBarlow]

Found this, could be discontinued by now.
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/0...ng-four-cylinder-diesel-for-nissan-titan.html

I missed this earlier. I reviewed the link and like the Cummins 2. 8 liter four cylinder. I'm not going to buy a new light duty diesel pickup regardless of whatever manufacturers offer but I'm more impressed by the small Cummins than by the VM Motori. I guess that's mostly a reflection of my bias.

 

[JJPage]

That truck is supposed to hit early next year. There is talks of possibly being released end of this year.

As I posted earlier, the Nissan folks at the auto show were stating a release later this year, but they had nothing to back that statement up. I do not know if the truck in the link is the one they were referring to or not.

I missed this earlier. I reviewed the link and like the Cummins 2. 8 liter four cylinder. I'm not going to buy a new light duty diesel pickup regardless of whatever manufacturers offer but I'm more impressed by the small Cummins than by the VM Motori. I guess that's mostly a reflection of my bias.

I would be apprehensive about a purchase of any new released diesel light truck, regardless of weight class, but only because of imposed emission standards that they would suffer. After my new home is completed, and my 5vr is sold, not sure I will keep the diesel I have...

 

[Bob4x4]

With more emissions and similar mileage to the gassers I am not so impressed

 

[EGroeneveld]

Interesting to play with ''build your own'' Ram 1500 on the Ram trucks website. Sucks is the short-short-short bed with CrewCab. That rules it out for me unless they change it. I need a Crew cab and need at least a 6. 5' bed, not a 5' something. Would actually prefer a 8' bed. I haul quads in it if not dragging the camper and/or trailer... also it was very easy to end up with a $40K truck, might as well just jump to the 2500 Cummins at least for me. It looks like if you carefully select options and levels a 2500 Cummins would not be to crazy $$$ over a diesel 1500.

 

[tempforce]

i'm down sizing my r. v. to something a half ton can tow…
having an diesel option gives me the best of:
1) a long lasting, high torque engine, that gets better fuel economy than a gas engine and 2) a lighter truck that rides better.
pulling a light 20-24' trailer with a 1 ton, doesn't make much sense...

 

[mwilson]

Interesting to play with ''build your own'' Ram 1500 on the Ram trucks website. Sucks is the short-short-short bed with CrewCab. That rules it out for me unless they change it. I need a Crew cab and need at least a 6. 5' bed, not a 5' something. Would actually prefer a 8' bed. I haul quads in it if not dragging the camper and/or trailer... also it was very easy to end up with a $40K truck, might as well just jump to the 2500 Cummins at least for me. It looks like if you carefully select options and levels a 2500 Cummins would not be to crazy $$$ over a diesel 1500.

I was told last fall that Ram was changing from only offering the mini-body with a 1/2 ton crew.



Crew cabs were going to be offered with the 6. 5 foot box soon.



Maybe my dealer was wrong, I'll have to stop in for a follow up come spring.



Mike.