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Finally after waiting 3 weeks for my northwest custom flaps i finally received them and they were awesome looking with the brushed stainless. I was reading the instructions and said you may have to relocate the exhaust on some applications, praying it wasnt gonna be mine, i found out to my horror the next day it was. I have a 2001 3500 and the exhaust tip keeps the flaps from being installed. I DO NOT WANT TO move the exhaust. If i knew that i might have to move the exhaust then i would not have ordered them. Can someone who has these on their 3500 have any ideas around it before i return them i would appreciate it
Tommy

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2001 DODGE RAM 3500 4X4 QUAD CAB LOADED WITH LEATHER
 
Originally posted by TRPRODUCT:
I was reading the instructions and said you may have to relocate the exhaust on some applications... ... If i knew that i might have to move the exhaust then i would not have ordered them.

<font color=blue>It clearly states on their website that exhaust modifications may be in order to use the flaps. Their may be a way around it I dunno, I haven't gotten my flaps ordered yet. Sounds to me like a good excuse to upgrade to a 4" Exhaust system.

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[This message has been edited by KatDiesel (edited 10-28-2000). ]
 
TDR PRODUCT:

Hey, Cool-hand, fret not. There is an easy solution to the problem, and it doesn't involve "reworking the exhaust. "

I got my flaps from Jason and couldn't believe how beautiful they were. I got right on the install, doing the front ones first. I found the instructions to be sort of inadequate; you have to mess around with the bracket/braces to figure our where they go, both on the front and the rear flaps. Jason will help if you call him and leave a message; he's a heck of a good guy.

On the rear, passenger side flap, I had to cut down both the top of the diamond plate brace, and the flap itself or it would have hit the exhaust where it turns out and exits behind the fender well. I got out my trusty Dewalt jigsaw and inserted a fine-toothed metal cutting blade. I then held the aluminum flap hanger up to the rear wheel well in its approximate position, letting it butt against the exhaust tail pipe. With the flap hanger in its approximate position, roughly level, I could see that I'd have to remove about an inch and a half of the top of the bracket in order for it to slide into position and be properly aligned with the inside of the fender well. I removed the wheel/tire so that I could get at things better, then I grabbed a pencil and scribed the shape of the pipe's outline (sort of a half circle) onto the aluminum of the flap support hanger. (If you're still following me, you're a friggin' genius! #ad
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I cut out the circular shape from the hanger metal and tried it for fit. This time, the hanger slid in almost all the way to where it should have been, but not quite. So, I "eyeballed" the amount that needed to be removed, and attacked it with the jigsaw. Keep in mind, when you're doing this, that the aluminum is very soft (even though it's thick and strong... ) and the high-speed, steel, jigsaw blade cuts it like butter. Take off just a 1/4 inch or so each time, then hold it up for a proper trial fitting again; nibble a little more each time. After my third cutting and test fitting, I had it just perfect. I then tood the altered flap hanger and put it on top of the rubber flap, aligning the two remaining bolt holes, and even inserting the bolts, temporarily, to insure proper alignment. Next, I traced the rounded shape of the cut away area (on the hanger bracket) onto the flap itself. I used the round bottom of a paper towel roll (4 1/4") to extend the half circle tracing that I had to cut into the bracket flap hanger. I now had the perfect shape of my four inch exhaust (in section) transferred onto the body of the flap. Next I took the same jigsaw, metal-cutting blade and used it to alter the flap. A test fitting (again) revealed that the newly cut flap and bracket would align perfectly with the wheel well and no longer interfere with the exhaust turn-out. The only thing remaining to be done was to drill another 1/4" hole for the third bolt, washer and locknut that tie the top of the flap to the flap hanger bracket.

Cutting the flap and bracket a little in order to accommodate the exhaust is no big deal, and in no way affects the strength of the installation. Don't let this intimidate you! You can email me, and I'll help any way I can. I'll give you my phone number if you want, and go over the deal with you. It's no biggie...

You will LOVE the way these bad-boys make your truck look!


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97 2500 4x4, club cab, auto, 3. 54 limited slip, JRE 4" exhaust, Dr. Performance Fuel system (370 HP), "Twister Turbo," Geno's guages -- Boost, EGT, transmission & Rear -- MAG Hytec covers, SunCoast Converter/Transgo shift kit, Brite Box, tons o'chrome under hood, Prime Loc, EZ Drain, Seat covers, wood dash, Rancho Suspension, Warn M12000 Winch on Warn Brush Guard, Warn driving and fog lights, Hella twin back up lights, 285/75/R16 B. F. G. ATs on Mickey Thompson "Classic" rims; Linex bed liner, BD exhaust brake, Optima, "Red-top" batteries. Northwest Custom mudflaps, front/rear, and stainless rocker panels.
 
I also knew of the note that it may interfere- I did know before ordering. I brought the truck to an exhaust shop- 30$ and 15 minutes later the tip was moved back about 3". The weld is way under the truck just behind the last support. Not a big deal. No clamps just another pair of welds.

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P. Campbell 1998. 5 ISB 2500 auto green/driftwood
 
I appreciate the responses and all hope isnt lost. I was thinking what you guys think about getting a couple of torches and heating the bend up on the tailpipe and bending it towrds the back about an inch. If that doesnt work i think im gonna bring it to a muffler shop and see what they will do
This board is such a help when it comes to my questions. And makes it easier dealing with problems
Tommy

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2001 DODGE RAM 3500 4X4 QUAD CAB LOADED WITH LEATHER
 
TRPRODUCT, you will have to get the exhaust GOOD AND HOT before you will be able to bend the exhaust tubing... even at that, you will have to use considerable force to move it. In addition, if the exhaust is moved too much you will deform same. As I went this way in the past on my OE 3" exhaust system, I found a better alternative was to have an exhaust shop weld in an extension piece as Pete Campbell stated. Heck, I had to do this modification a second time. . when I added my Banks stainless steel 4" exhaust system.

Keep the trick brushed s/s mud flaps and have the exhaust system modified.

BTW, the ONLY Rams that will not have to modify the exhaust system to accommodate the NW Custom rear mud flaps are PRE '98 (12v) Rams. Any of the aftermarket 4" diameter exhaust systems will also require modification. The only exception being the Banks (12v) 3. 5" diameter muffler and tailpipe upgrade.

Jeff H, after you have seen the NW Custom mud flaps (diamond plate aluminum or brushed stainless steel) you will see nothing else compares.

[This message has been edited by John (edited 10-29-2000). ]
 
John, So I take it that a 98 12 vavlve 3500 would be a canidate for this kind of modification. Not just a simple boly on eh?

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Griff996, I knew someone would ask me that. Anyway, if the tailpipe on your '98 12v exits THE SAME EXACT WAY as previous (12v) tailpipes (i. e. , PARALLEL to the ground... near the rear bumper as opposed to the 24v style, closer to the rear tire, exiting at an ANGLE) then you will not have to modify your tailpipe. I believe the '98 12v Rams have the angled tailpipe.

Don't worry, it's an inexpensive modification. Heck, I only paid about $30. to the premiere race car welder in the Northwest to TIG a section of stainless steel tubing to extend mine (tailpipe off the truck). It looks sweet! The two welds look so good they even put the welds on Moon tanks to shame #ad
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I still think it's easy to modify the top of the flap and flap hanger bracket, instead of reworking the exhaust system. On mine, you can't even tell that the flap/bracket have been cut because the exhaust exits (when viewed from the rear) in front of the top of the flap, anyway. Takes about twenty minutes with a jigsaw, doesn't alter the strength of the mount, the appearance of the installed flap, or cost you a dime.
 
Could someone please post the url for the northwest custom site. I would like to take a look at those mud flaps.

Thanks
Arlan
 
Well everyone i considered all your ideas but instead of chopping these flaps which cost a pretty $$$ i went to the local midas and for a 2 hour job and 35. 00 later they moved my tailpipe back toward the bumper. Not only does the flaps fit perfect but where the tailpipe is i will not have anymore diesel smoek on my fender. Thanks again everyone

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2001 DODGE RAM 3500 4X4 QUAD CAB LOADED WITH LEATHER
 
TDRPRODUCT wrote:

"... Well everyone i considered all your ideas but instead of chopping these flaps which cost a pretty $$$... "

WoW!

$35. 00 for two hours labor?!?! Are you sure you didn't stumble into a soup kitchen instead of a muffler shop? #ad
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That's gotta be the lowest labor rate on any automotive-aftermarket service in the country!

PS. "Chopping" these $ flaps, is kinda like any other alteration you do to any other part of your VERY EXPENSIVE truck in order to "customize" it. We drill, weld, cut, bolt-onto, and "operate on" our pristine, factory trucks in all manner of "permanent (and probably ill-advised) ways. " If the operation I performed on my flaps "hurt them," or altered their appearance in a negative way, I wouldn't have done it (or talked about it) in the first place. Like I said, you can't even tell where they were cut unless you crawl up under the truck and, even then, it's just the very edge of one flap and hanger. You can't see it; it doesn't weaken the mount, doesn't hurt the flap, and IT'S FREE!

For those of you who can't get muffler work done for $15. 00 per hour (means the mechanic was working for minimum wage, if the owner of the franchise/store was making any profit at all... ), this is an easy and reasonable alternative.

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Hang on there Sasquatch... if you have a 2500 using the 18" wide rear NW Custom mud flaps (as opposed to the 12" wide version). . AND have a 4" exhaust system, the modifications to the right rear mud flap are fairly extensive! It would by no means be minor surgery.

As for the $35. for 2 hours work; I'll bet they gave a quote for that amount and the job took substantially longer than they anticipated.
 
John:

I did the "alteration" on the 18" flap, and it was a piece of cake. At the widest point of the arc (of the radius), the little semicircle I cut out is about 1 7/8" deep. It's at the very top/left-hand edge of this massive 18" x 15" flap. I figure I nibbled away, say, 6 sq. inches of bracket/flap material. Considering the flap measures (area) 270 sq. inches, that means my "modification" involved less than 2% of the flap area...

It allowed me to leave the exhaust in its stock location, which I like, and it cost me zero dollars. Also, as I said, the tiny area cut out isn't visible, anyway, because it's behind the tail pipe and way up out of view. You'd have to told to look for it in order to even know it'd been done.

Like I said, it took me 20 minutes to accomplish this major mechanical undertaking. I guess one man's "minor surgery" is another man's heart transplant, though. Everybody's got a different opinion; that's what, as they say, "makes horse races!" #ad
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As relates to the exhaust work, color me skeptical. If they (the shop) "estimated" this as a $30 job, and it took 'em two hours, they don't belong in the business. I put my entire 4" system on in less than 2 hours! I must be a friggin' genius!!!!! (laughing my butt off, here).

In any event, each to his own. Certainly didn't mean to step on any toes or get any noses out of joint. (that about covers the anatomy waterfront) But, I did want to set the record straight with regard to the use of the word "chopping" to describe the very modest undertaking involved in "modifying" this flap.

If you're still convinced that this is a major undertaking, I'll take a picture of what I did and email it to you.

Have a nice day! #ad
 
THEY DO LOOK *****IN' #ad

To be honest the guy at meineke tried to sell me an entire exhaust so that the engine would breath better i waitied becaise i want to put a banks on it with a cat back or maybe no muffler at all with a cat back system. He originally quoted me 75. 00 for the job, but had to wait a while before a mechanic came avail. So 2 hours later it took him an hour and the guy said give me 35. 00 cash $$$
Im on vacation in Disney now and had many people stare at my "REAR" But so far no one asked me to pull over (yet)
See everybody later
Tom

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2001 DODGE RAM 3500 4X4 QUAD CAB LOADED WITH LEATHER
 
Sasquatch, I guess my Banks 4" diameter s/s exhaust system is bent in a slightly different manor than your JRE 4" exhaust system. Actually, Banks threaded the needle pretty well... the ONE piece tailpipe is just far enough away from my 285 spare tire (and cover) and my mud flap to eliminate the possibility of burning either. As I have done much fabricating over the years (and take forever to analyze, formulate a plan and execute same), I studied the notching of the mud flap option... I just elected to go the way I went. I feel it looks cleaner even though it may have taken more time and money.

The good part about this thread is that future customers now have all the facts, can weigh them and decide for themselves which path would be best for them and their tastes.
 
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