Guns, Bows, Shooting Sports, and Hunting henry 45/70 lever action for hunting???

[HHhuntitall]

? How did we go from a Henry 45-70 to a Sako TRG42?!? :-laf This guy reminds me of me... .

 

[goodguys75]

we have good taste in guns... ...

 

[KBurgoyne]

turnbull has a modified 86 winchester that fires a . 475. its a 50-110 necked down to a . 474 caliber. definately different and purdy too. it was in the last issue of G and A.

 

[goodguys75]

dont think that would be to good for long distance shooting, like hunting... great for a carry rifle for self protection,or short shots.....

 

[HHhuntitall]

If you're really dying for a large bore killer with SOME ballistics, look at . 416 Cal... . No lever guns that I know of, but it's a good, flat caliber with some really good ballistic rated bullets... .

 

[GHarman]

HHhuntitall, yep showin my age:-laf! . 416 Barnes [45/70 necked to . 416](1895 Marlin) and . 416X348 Winchester(Ackley) in an 1886 Winchester.

GregH

 

[HHhuntitall]

Bullets, ballistics?? Details, man!! Yer killen' me!!!

 

[GHarman]

HHhuntitall, Hows this for starters?

Also a version called the . 416 Alaskan.

http://www.loaddata.com/members/search_detail.cfm?MetallicID=203



Some . 416 Barnes Data;

http://www.reloadbench.com/cartridges/w416barnes.html



Hope this'll tickle yer innards:-laf!



GregH

 

[KBurgoyne]

i wish someone would neck a 50 BMG down to a 416. you could stick some seriously high BC bullets on it, and it wouldnt fall under the destructive weapon doctrine anymore. california would find some way to ban it, but not before i got my hands on one.

 

[GHarman]

Its been done and in production. Its called the . 416 Barrett.

GregH

 

[HHhuntitall]

HHhuntitall, Hows this for starters?

Also a version called the . 416 Alaskan.

http://www.loaddata.com/members/search_detail.cfm?MetallicID=203



Some . 416 Barnes Data;

http://www.reloadbench.com/cartridges/w416barnes.html



Hope this'll tickle yer innards:-laf!



GregH

Hmm, I'm spoiled, I guess. The levergun pressure limitations keep the velocity a bit lower than I'd like..... Guess that's why I'm a bolt-gun man!! Still, gotta be a SOLID performer!! Nothing wrong with it facing a lion or hippo with 4 rounds behind the lever!! Or more with a longer barrel... .

Its been done and in production. Its called the . 416 Barrett.

GregH

Not to be a smartypants, but the . 416 only shares the head diameter with the . 50BMG. It's actually a lot thicker than the . 50 at the base of the cartridge. It was developed seperately from the . 50 cases, as it runs a little higher pressures, being a little more of a bottleneck cartridge, by Chris Barrett, Ronnie's son, to try to procure a Navy contract... . Many M82s are chambered for it, and it's an impressive cartridge. I got to shoot one at 400 yards, and there is very little wind drift... . The lighter 400gr bullet(relative to . 50bmg), has a very high sectional density, and was developed for 2,000m engagements, with a muzzle velocity at an advertised 3250fps, and just under 10,000 ft-lbs(9400?) of energy(IIRC). I think they got the contract, I don't know. I know several private security agencies were very interested in it, as in certain foreign countries, you are not allowed to import military cartridges, such as 5. 56 Nato and . 50BMG. The . 408 Chey Tac is also a similar cartridge, although it's based off the . 505 Gibbs... ... EDM arms offers a Semi-auto rifle chambered in . 408. Barrett offers it in all their models. I am especially fond of their M95 mag fed bolt repeater... .



Also, for Commi-fornia residents, look into the . 510 DTAC... . similar to the . 50BMG, but not the same chamber specs... the . 50BMG will chamber and fireform in it, but it won't chamber in the . 50bmg, making it legal to own in Cali.....

 

[KBurgoyne]

never heard of the 510 DTAC. i bet finding the rifle and the ammo would suck. the NFA classified any bullet over 50 cal as a destructive weapon, so the old 50's are . 510-. 512 the new stuff is . 500 even; 500 s and w, 50 AE. since they are not over . 500 they dont qualify as a destructive weapon, and dont have any federal baggage.

 

[KBurgoyne]

i googled it. me likey. except for that 7000 price tag. therefore i am now accepting donations. send your blank checks to the shingle springs post office.

 

[HHhuntitall]

. 510 is not labeled at destructive, unless it's in a non-sporting firearm. Niether is . 900 caliber... . It's just the ammo that's labeled at destructive by the NFA, if it fits something considered as "non-sporting," like the pistol . 50Action Express was made for... ... 20mm ammo is considered destructive, as it's usually explosive or incendiary. . 510 ammo like . 50 bmg is readily available to the public and has a great following among the civilian crowds, making it next to impossible for them to consider it "non-sporting" for target competitions... . http://www.fcsa.org/wwwroot/index.php

 

[WalterRyan]

. 510 is not labeled at destructive, unless it's in a non-sporting firearm.

I would have to say that the ATF does not agree with that. From US code title 26 chapter 53 "(2) any type of weapon by whatever name known which will, or which may be readily converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, the barrel or barrels of which have a bore of more than one-half inch in diameter, except a shotgun or shotgun shell which the Secretary finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes" A fifty caliber is not a destructive device because it is not "over" one half inch. California has banned the 50 on its own.

 

[HHhuntitall]

I would have to say that the ATF does not agree with that. From US code title 26 chapter 53 "(2) any type of weapon by whatever name known which will, or which may be readily converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, the barrel or barrels of which have a bore of more than one-half inch in diameter, except a shotgun or shotgun shell which the Secretary finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes" A fifty caliber is not a destructive device because it is not "over" one half inch. California has banned the 50 on its own.

Well, there's gotta be something to it. The . 50 barrel plug will drop down the bore on the . 510 caliber of the 50 bmg, and they're not controlled under the NFA... . And Commifornia has only banned the chambering of the . 50BMG specifically, thus the reason for using the . 50 DTAC by many Commiefornia residents and active shooters in the . 50 Cal Shooters Association.



As for the . 50 DTAC, you can run the reamer in just about any existing . 50bmg and open it up..... Depending on the existing chamber dimensions.

 

[Joseph Donnelly]

I have a Marlin 1895 Cowboy with the 26" octagonal barrel. The long barrel helps velocity a bit. However, the small buttplate and large drop in the stock mean that the pretend . 458 magnum loads will have a kick that would be punishing. At more like regular . 45/70 performance, the trajectory makes it a problem at longer ranges. Thorough knowledge of the actual trajectory of your round in your gun, plus a good laser rangefinder would help a lot. I agree that the Marlin is a fine gun, but get one made by Marlin, not the newer Remington made guns, which have had a lot of problems.