Engine/Transmission (1994 - 1998) High Chromium

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Been a while since I've had time to post. My last oil sample came back with high chromium result of 8. Blackstone says could be combustion problem. Chromium is rings, correct? 248000 miles on the engine with oil changes between 6000 and 6500 every time. I dont idle anymore than I have since day one. Thinking its time for injectiors. Could it be that? I also run Lucas upper cylinder lube with every tank of fuel since they switched to the ULSD.



Thanks for any opinions

Chris



BTW, Have a happy and safe new year!
 
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Chris. .

Where have you been hiding there ol friend???...



Here is a link to get some ideas of what could and may cause the issues your having.



Ana Laboratories - Oil Analysis - Test Results - Diagnostic Table



And a little discussion material to think about from another board.....



So you get a UOA. What do all the numbers/chemicals/metals mean? Here is a short "read" on where all these stuff originates.



Aluminum (Al): Thrust washers, bearings and pistons are made of this metal. High readings can be from piston skirt scuffing, excessive ring groove wear, broken thrust washers, etc.

Boron, Magnesium, Calcium, Barium, Phosphorous, and Zinc: These metals are normally from the lubricating oil additive package. They involve detergents, dispersants, extreme-pressure additives, etc.

Chromium (CR): Normally associated with piston rings. High levels can be caused by dirt coming through the air intake or broken rings.

Copper (CU), Tin: These metals are normally from bearings or bushings and valve guides. Oil coolers also can contribute to copper readings along with some oil additives. In a new engine these results will normally be high during break-in, but will decline in a few hundred hours.

Iron (Fe): This can come from many places in the engine such as liners, camshafts, crankshaft, valve train, timing gears, etc.

Lead (Pb): Use of regular gasoline will cause very high test results. Also associated with bearing wear, but fuel source (leaded gasoline) and sampling contamination (use of galvanized containers for sampling) are critical in interpreting this metal.

Silicon (Si): High readings generally indicate dirt or fine sand contamination from a leaking air intake system. This would act as an abrasive, causing excessive wear. Silicon is also used as a anti-foam agent in some oils.

Sodium (Na): High readings of this metal normally are associated with a coolant leak, but can be from an oil additive package.

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So what are the "rule of thumb" acceptable parameters your looking for and what is causing it to show up in your sample?



Silicon (Si) 10 to 30 ppm Dirt ingestion

Air intake system, oil filter plugging, oil filler cap and breather, valve covers, oil supply. Want to test your air filter setup? This is the number that will tell you.



Iron (Fe) 100 to 200 ppm

Wear of cylinder liner, valve and gear train, oil pump, rust in systemExcessive oil consumption, abnormal engine noise,performance problems, oil pressure, abnormal operating temperatures, stuck/broken piston rings



Chromium (CR) 10 to 30 ppm

Piston ring wear, Excessive oil blow-by and oil consumption, oil degradation



Copper (CU) 10 to 50 ppm

Bearings and bushings wear, oil cooler passivating,radiator corrosion,Coolant in engine oil, abnormal noise when operating at near stall speed.



Lead (Pb) 40 to 100 ppm

Bearing corrosion Extended oil change intervals (running your oil to long)



Aluminum (Al) 10 to 30 ppm

Piston and piston thrust bearing wear Blow-by gases, oil consumption, power loss, abnormal engine noise



Silver and Tin 2 to 5 ppm 10 to 30 ppm

Wear of bearings Excessive oil consumption, abnormal engine noise, loss in oil pressure Viscosity Change Lack of lubrication Fuel dilution, blow-by gases, oil oxidation, carburetor choke, ignition timing, injectors, injector pump, oil pressureWater/Anti-freeze Coolant leak or condensation Coolant supply, gasket sealed, hose connection, oil filler cap and breather



The above quote was taken from the LS1 board which I wander through infrequently. Hope this helps some and that you have a great New Year... ... Andy
 
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Hi

Been a while since I've had time to post. My last oil sample came back with high chromium result of 8. Blackstone says could be combustion problem. Chromium is rings, correct? 248000 miles on the engine with oil changes between 6000 and 6500 every time. I dont idle anymore than I have since day one. Thinking its time for injectiors. Could it be that? I also run Lucas upper cylinder lube with every tank of fuel since they switched to the ULSD.



Thanks for any opinions

Chris



BTW, Have a happy and safe new year!



Running fuel additives can throw off a UOA. Try again with no additives. Also if you have problems with the rings, you will have a soot problem and and excess thickening as well. You will notice more smoke out the draft tube as well as more oil consumption. May also look for signs of over advanced timing.



8PPM chrome in any engine does not sound like a huge problem yet. Keep an eye on it.



Post your concern over at;

Bob Is The Oil Guy



You will get lots of answers.



Check out these UOA's: Yours is not far off at all.



Cummins 5. 9,112k on engine, oil unknown. - Bob Is The Oil Guy



02 Dodge Cummins, Amsoil 5w-30 HDD, 9,500 miles - Bob Is The Oil Guy
 
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Thanks for the replies. Makes me feel a little better. I dont think it was a dirt problem because silicon was low. Oil consumption is the same as it always has been. Oil level is midway between hash marks by the time I'm due for a change. No make up oil added. I never gave a thought to the additive as this was the first sample taken since I've been using it. Just sent another one out with this oil change, will see what happens. I just kinda got concerned because all my parameters are always under the averages.



Thanks

Chris
 
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