How come CAT isn't involved in diesel pickups?

[willysrule]

My buddy has a 8. 3L Cat in his "truck"..... :-laf



2005 F-650... .



here is a pic of it with the diesel powered unimog in tow... .



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here is another, notice the strap... . it was stuck in the mud at the parking area for the local trails... it was fun getting that thing unstuck... .



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[Cattletrkr]

Heard a RUMOR yesterday that when Ford goes to a new engine this fall it will either be another Navistar, a Cummins, or... . a CAT. I have absolutely no idea if there is any truth to any of this. I did hear from two different sources (rumor mill) that the 6. 0 is gonnna go bye-bye. Anybody got any real info??

 

[mberry]

Heard a RUMOR yesterday that when Ford goes to a new engine this fall it will either be another Navistar, a Cummins, or... . a CAT. I have absolutely no idea if there is any truth to any of this. I did hear from two different sources (rumor mill) that the 6. 0 is gonnna go bye-bye. Anybody got any real info??

No real info, but I was told a while ago that the Dodge/Cummins deal ends in '07 at the local Cummins dealer. Take it with a grain of salt. Who knows what the hell they are going to do. I do know one thing; If Dodge drops Cummins for an MB/Detroit/???? My next truck will not be a Dodge.



There is an article in the latest TDR about Nissan using a Mack branded diesel in their full size 1 ton truck. Still don't think I would buy one though.

 

[DHayden]

The rumor mill a while back was that GM was in talks with CAT but they couldnt reach an agreement. This supposedly is what made GM move forward with Isuzu and well the rest is history.



DISCLAIMER: I do not certify the above comment to be true or fact in any way. The information is purely hearsay and unfounded from the rumor mill and as we know that guy isnt very trustworthy :-laf

 

[dodge cummins]

that whole mack and nissan thing was printed in the last tdr as a guess. i am really interested in seeing a jeep truck with a diesel in it.

 

[Cattletrkr]

The rumor mill a while back was that GM was in talks with CAT but they couldnt reach an agreement.

I heard that one about 10 years ago. Supposedly CAT wanted a "CAT Deisel Power" decal of somesort and GM wouldn't go for it and that's what killed the deal.



Also about the same time Mack was building a p/u plant. Guess that was BS too. I'd be willing to bet that any p/u engine with a Mack label, wouldn't really be a mack anyway.

If Dodge drops Cummins for an MB/Detroit/???? My next truck will not be a Dodge.

I'd drive a detroit anyday. Certainly over a V8. Isn't MB the worldwide leader in # of diesel engines produced?? Or was that another line of bull??

 

[DBogo]

i wish international would get back into the 3/4 and 1 ton pickup market with a truck thats not wierd lookign like that concept thing they have now



and as for the nissan/mack thing why wouldnt nissan just use there own motor out of a UD and as for that if it looks anything like the titan i wouldnt buy one

 

[DHayden]

Mercedes is a HUGE producer of Diesel engines. Allot of peaple who havent been abroad don't realize that Mercedes is IT for construction equipment in Europe. Mercedes builds all sorts of big construction machinary and from what I have heard and seen it is quality you would expect from Mercedes.

Mercedes is not the new kid on the block when it comes to Diesels.

 

[MKoth]

Mercedes builds no equipment themselves, only road going cars, trucks, and busses, and whatever the Unimog is classified as. There are, however, lots of different manufacturers use Mercedes engines though. Krupp, Demag, Liebherr, O&K, and many others all offer engines made by Mercedes.

 

[MKoth]

As far as the Nissan/Mack deal, Mack is owned by Volvo, so any light truck engine labled as a Mack, is a Volvo diesel, which is also a very good powerplant.

 

[DHayden]

Mercedes builds no equipment themselves, only road going cars, trucks, and busses, and whatever the Unimog is

They must have stopped then because I have personally seen loaders, lifts and cranes with Mercedes Stamped right on the front and sides. Not the engine, the equipment badge. This was in the late 80's in Germany so maybe life has changed.

 

[rbattelle]

Let's say, just for amusement, that Dodge DROPS the Cummins engine in (or shortly after) 2007. Will Cummins increase or decrease support on their end for those of us who still own Cummins-equipped Dodges?



By "support" I mean things like uprate kits, electronics upgrades, and service/parts availability with Dodge owners specifically in mind.



-Ryan

 

[NPloysa]

I know one thing. A lot of Ford trucks I have seen have the plastic license plate on the front bumper that says "Cat Power". I have never seen a Dodge with one of those. Maybe the PSD owners wish it was a Cat and not the dog it is... ?

 

[Champane Flight]

Rumors all

The latest I heard was that Dodge was going to go with a choice in 08. You could go Cat, Cummins, Detroit, Motori, or Benz. Now that would be cool, except for the decision.....

 

[nickleinonen]

Had a Ford salesman try and tell me it was Cat's fault that the 6. 0 was having so many injector troubles.....

yet it was navistar who broke their deal with cat and went to siemans for this new G2 injectors in the vt365... ?

You could go Cat, Cummins, Detroit, Motori, or Benz. Now that would be cool, except for the decision.....

that would could be a hard decision, but depending on budget and bombing requirements, that would also effect the decision. . a MB900 wouldn't make a good engine for bombing i think... would be hard to keep boost down with the limited number of head bolts [4 effective per hole, like the vt365/6. 0psd and many gassers] but with the option of the engine brake with the 4th valve, would probably make a good hauling engine. the cummins would probably be most bomb friendly. the DDC would be something new as they have nothing the right size to fit a 3/4-1ton truck. . the cat is just $$$ too much with like a C6. 6 or C7

 

[JHerr]

Rewind back to the year 1988. How many people in the USA recognized the Cummins name? How many of you would have considered a Dodge pickup in 1988?



Ask the above questions by replacing 1988 with 2005. See how much has changed?



Recognition of the 'Cummins' name is much higher today. Why? The performance, economy, and reliability of the 5. 9 Cummins engine has carved a very loyal niche in the highly-competitive, diesel pickup market.



Doesn't Caterpillar see Cummins' success in a high-volume and high-profile market and get a bit envious? There could have been a website like this one dedicated to Cat diesel engines in Brand-X pickups. Aren't there marketing persons in Peoria saying, "We have a brand-name with even more potential than Cummins, a engine with similar performance numbers, and we are just sitting around doing nothing!"



I don't understand why Caterpillar has chosen to sit this game out. Why do you turn your back on the sale of hundreds of thousands of diesel engines? Was it the lack of autonomy that an automaker would give Cat in developing the engine (ex. Ford & Navistar)? Were they spooked by EPA regulations?



It makes no sense to me. Someone please explain it to me because I don't get it.

 

[FATCAT]

Why is CAT not in the light truck market? EPA regs is a good guess, but they are having to met them now with the big trucks, so that should not be a reason. Maybe the same size motor as the ISB would be twice the $$$$ of the Cummins due to huge labor cost and Union expenses. If you think the $5,000+ diesel option on the Dodge is big, you could see it be $10,000+ for a CAT!

And the big issues now, like mentioned before, is who would they sell too???

Maybe if Peterbilt/Kenworth comes out with a line of class 4/5 Pickup trucks, then when you flip back the hood you'll see the big yellow iron looking back at you. Humm,

a 22,500 lb GVW Peterbilt 235 Crewcab 4X4 with the RoadRanger option.

 

[CATCRACKER]

after dealing with cat stuff for years i say forget'em. they are over priced mitsubishi diesels

 

[Champane Flight]

Cat

Cat has success with the big truck market, it has captured 50% of all truck sales I would guess, the other 50% is Detroit, and Cummins. The big success came with the 425 -3406 model, these engines were long lived at 500,000+ miles, they had the potential of mega bombing (several out there in the 600-800 hp area), and they would PULLLL. This engine in the rigs is kin to the Cummins in the pickup market. I would be tempted by Cat, if they had a proven engine in the size of 5. 9 - 7. 0 liter, and it was a inline six. If they could put retarder technology on it----SOLD. But, in all reality, I really do not care for all that electronics, and my old twelve valve has more life than I have left. But it is fun to dream.



Cat did put a 3208 in a few Ford one tons for awhile in the late 70s. A friend of mine bought a used one. It was a hog, it would run like a scalded ape, but only got around 10MPG. At 110,000 miles it ate a valve and sent it through a turbo (twin turbos), he went to get it fixed and was quoted a repair price of over $4000. 00 . The truck was parked.

 

[DBogo]

Cat did put a 3208 in a few Ford one tons for awhile in the late 70s. A friend of mine bought a used one. It was a hog, it would run like a scalded ape, but only got around 10MPG. At 110,000 miles it ate a valve and sent it through a turbo (twin turbos), he went to get it fixed and was quoted a repair price of over $4000. 00 . The truck was parked.

when was this i have never seen one of these