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SPS62 and Crazy Larry?

Focusing on the intake side...

Anything you can do to make an engine "breathe" better will result in efficiency and power improvements. But Hohn's absolutely right about the flow being limited to the characteristics of the turbine inlet flange (on the exhaust side) and the intake manifold inlet (on the inlet side). If those parts remain unchanged, it makes little difference what you do before that point, except in the case where you're able to change temperature significantly. Remember that flow rate is defined as density*velocity*area.



If you've got a large plenum with convergences at the entrance and exit, the velocity of the flow will decrease as it passes into the plenum, then increase again when it leaves the plenum. If the inlet and outlet areas are similar, the velocities are going to be similar. Then the only benefit you'd get would come from a change in temperature, which has a direct effect on the density term in the definition of flow rate.



All that aside, I'm not sure I'm comfortable with any device that reduces intake pressure. More pressure in your intake manifests an increase in mean effective pressure and peak cylinder pressure, right? And those two parameters are perhaps the most important for defining power output.



Or does the increased volume of air exactly balance with the lower pressure so that MEP and peak pressures are unchanged? Pressure and volume are directly related by the ideal gas law; if temperature remains constant, then increasing either one should result in a proportional decrease in the other.



Hohn is absolutely right - if the manifold pressure tap is located in the plenum it's not going to read "true" manifold pressure, and would neatly explain the massive difference in DHayden's pressure readings.



-Ryan
 
CCBrady said:
DHayden, I have to ask. What is that stove pipe looking thing that is stuck in front of your air box and turbo.

Chris

I think that is the rare option that Dodge offered a few years ago. Code RP-1, which is the highly desirable 'Outside Ashtray'
 
Good one hasselbach :-laf :-laf



Could be his hard hat fell off while taking the pic. . or maybe a fresh air tube for his trick NACA duct hood??



Looks to me like his boost transducer is in the manifold, if so then his turbo must be at its max air flow capability since pressure dropped.
 
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So then looks like your ready to give an SPS66 a try to see if it can manage to bring your pressure back up. . if that is what you want.
 
Matt400 said:
So then looks like your ready to give an SPS66 a try to see if it can manage to bring your pressure back up. . if that is what you want.



No I'm not ready to change turbo's. I have been very happy with the B1 and when I change turbo's it will just be to add a B2.



I can't see how the turbo factor's in here. I changed an exhaust manifold and an intake manifold, not my turbo. My boost transducer is in the same spot, which is not in the intake manifold so it is constant. If efficiency was increased and it dropped the psi needed to do the same thing then the B1 should have plenty of room to be adequate. If efficiency was decreased, then I would think the SPS66 would be even worse off then the B1. I may need to go read again but that still leaves 2 theories out there and I can't imagine that whatever change in either direction would be more than the B1 could handle.
 
DHayden said:
I can't see how the turbo factor's in here.
My thoughts were that possibly restrictions reduced on the intake charge side caused the drop in pressure if the turbo's volume capability has been met. A larger turbo may be able to bring back those higher pressures you once had if you even want higher pressures at all.
 
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