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I have had several inquires via PM and Emails about how to and when to on hunting with an outfitter. Im NOT the all knowing on this, I don't make the arrangements for travel nor do I for the hotel reservations if you come up a day early, my main job in this enterprise is to pack your things into and out of camp along with game if ya get that lucky, and take care of all the stock.



Some ask about cost? that varies with the outfitter and what is expected from you, if you want 5 star accommodations, gourmet meals there are lot of variables on this its hard to tell what people expect from just a few phone calls. ALL OF THE PEOPLE that come to hunt with us are return customers or friends of the same, that have been with us year after year we know this because we don't advertise ANY PLACE. I take that back Jason is now advertising with a Fly Fishing Group, this is the first year that he has extended the season to include fishing, and its taken off BIG TIME. I didn't know it but one that witnessed a little competition we had yesterday was from a magazine and went to write an article about Jason's enterprise, so I guess now he does advertise.



For hunting, the absolute best thing to do is get in as good of shape as you can, you don't need to be able to run a marathon, swim the sea just be able to walk at a decent pace. Hiking is the best exercise you can do, its what you will be doing. The animals are there to get you up into the mountains and take you to the hunting but I wouldn't want to get off the horse and shoot an animal, thats not hunting its KILLING. So certain amount of hiking has or should be done, I would expect the guide to have ALL of the essentials, but I like to see people bring Bino's , Spotting Scopes, Range finders, after that what ever YOU want to carry is up to you. They don't need to be the best on the market just something to look around and look for game, if the guide has to share with you he might miss an opportunity for you they know where to look better than most, they spend a lot of pre season time finding them. Again getting in shape is best thing you can do.



We always have the people take a shot or two before they get on trail. Its hard to find a gun store 20 miles into the mountains that carries your part that you might need, because of travel the rifles take a beating and it a good time to check sighting and mounts to make sure its ready. I don't know about you but I love my guns ALMOST as much as I do the wife and my Mules or is that Mules and wife I forget who comes first.

Please shoot your guns before you get here A LOT. time shooting at different positions there are no cement benches to rest your gun and coffee cup on out here. Try to shoot at the distance that is dictated by your hunting local, here its very long shots usually at a very steep incline or decline. I don't like Pop guns I like to have enough power to knock the animal off its feet where it stands, two reasons the meat is not tainted with adrenaline because it ran bleeding out some hole you made in it, two me or someone else don't have to chase the SOB over into the next valley while you wait with your feet up back at camp, most cant ride fast enough and I don't want to take a chance of people doing something that is WAY ABOVE their abilities trying to stay up with me, if you want a picture of your animal BEFORE its cut up, DROP IT WHERE IT STANDS.

Im going to risk making a statement, I don't think that a 25/06 or 270 has any place in an Elk camp, we have had people use them and they have worked great but they are some shooters that are tickling the triggers, if those are used by unknown shooters I pull mine out and let them know that if they cant drop it I can, its their call but your going to have one PO guide if they have to chase it because of lack of gun or ability to shoot I think we owe it to the animal. In my world the 30/06 is the minimum (let the arguments begin)



Clothing you don't need to look the the Bass Pro Shop cover, warm and dry is what is important. Rain at the first of our season is almost a given not everyday all day but wet is no fun to hunt and can be life threating. Chance of snow is always around, I like the high tech undies from Under Armor light thin and very warm, sometimes to warm. Boot that have been broken in VERY WELL I cant carry you around so walking in comfort is a must, early in season I have cowboy boots later I go to Schnees http://www.schnees.com/ im sure there are just as good but mine have lasted me for years and they are made here in MT. Several shoes are best I hate to wear the same ones for every thing and it looks funny having chaps on tending to animals with converse tennis shoes on, but that's just me. Getting clean is up to you, your not sharing my sleeping bag, we use to jump in the creek it wakes you up and it natural, last couple of seasons Jason has got a propane heated shower stall. :rolleyes: don't go wearing the best smelling stuff it attracts bears and its not hard to have an animal smell you from a very long distance. After making 3 or 4 trips to and from town I have no problems finding a seat at the table, seems like folks find a lot of room for me :) I use the jump in the creek method I like the view from the tub better.



The things that I would suggest is to call around to people that have used you choice in outfitters, shoot your gun A LOT, and GET IN THE BEST SHAPE YOU CAN. it will make this a trip to remember it really makes me feel better when a Father and Son have me take a picture of them arm in arm sharing this sometimes trip of a lifetime, not all can or want to come back year after year. Book EARLY a year in advance is the best or more if you can.



Hope this helps, ask any question you have, We will be out for the next week then in for our Daughters Wedding then I will leave Penny in the mountains and I will be back from time to time and I check the computer for Clients Emails. Take game to the processor and supplies back to camp.



Take Care

BIG
 
Have fun doing what you enjoy and if you get a chance please share some pictures of God's country.
 
I will see what I can do, the water is running a little high~!!!!!!

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BIG!!

I've got a bud that's got a business in NM... . He's constantly answering the same questions!! (Just like you and I!! :-laf)

Here's his FAQ's webpage!! http://www.200inches.com/Main Pages/FAQ.html

I noticed he's posted some new pics in the gallery, too..... funny guy... :cool: Guess I may have to accidentally let my foot meet his backside.....

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HH the info is nothing that cant be found on every outfitter web page, but like you say I get asked cause folks just dont know and thats good. It makes it better if someone helps out, my opinions are mine and some are others thats good to compare things and form new ideas.

I like the rack on my left the other is nice but I like those main beams looks like he has a hand full of them just noticed the brow tines NICE!!!
 
Yep, I only offered it as an example of what you were saying... . it all goes along the same lines. Several opinions can be helpful, but notice we all agree, there's nothing worse than getting within a 1/4 mile of your game, but not being able to get a shot because you can't keep up... ... Walking and hiking is a must!!! And don't forget, a lot of people come from, including myself, much lower altitudes. Coming from 850' to 7,000+ feet can really make you want to lay down and cry!!! :-laf

Of course you'd look at the racks..... :-laf I was aggravated at the pic of the tag I had to eat..... I didn't get close enough to the 220incher I was chasing... . smart booger... . He didn't get that big by being dumb, I guess. I made over 26 miles the first day we spotted him, by the GPS... . That's a lot of walking!!!! Seemed a lot more than that!! Not sure why I posed for this pic, I think it was a split second, but I didn't realize he got a pic.....
 
Hard to shoot through a mountainside... ... even with a . 338 Howitzer!! :eek: :-laf

And NMFG frowns on the use of air support... . :(
 
Yep that's the thing I try to tell people is walk walk walk walk and then walk some more. My Ex Boss and his wife are here now we will leave to head in, in a couple of days, they have been working out at the gym and stair climber all year, I might be the one that is hard pressed to keep up. But I have the keys to the mules so they wont leave ME!!!. Our altitude isn't that much we are at 4k and the mountains are up to 9k but most hunt at 6 to 7k. Shots come at LONG RANGE most of the time, time spent behind the scope is well worth the investment, it sucks when ya see what ya came for and your not sure that you can reach out that far :( That's why the comment about some calibers sure it can reach out but what will it have left to shake hands with when it gets to 800yards?? its nothing to shoot across that ravine to the other side and a day's ride to pick up your game.

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We don't have anything that pretty... . all dry and dusty, for the most part. That cold camp pic makes me want to load up my stuff and say, "Stuff (or something similar) it!! I'm out. Call me next year, when season's over. " :sigh: Well, maybe I can get back to that some day. My kids'll be old enough for an excuse, soon. I can use that to get out of here!! Hopefully, I'll get caught up financially in the next few years, and I can get back to hunting like I used to... . Teach these kids like I learned..... Followin' in footsteps, getting nasty looks when you crack a limb or step on some dry brush!!! :D

BAH!! That's a hell of a shot across that canyon!! Looks like 1,000 plus to the other side, same elevation... . That's a hard shot with the wind what it is in that country... . Not anything that won't get effected at that range. Problem with most is they don't shoot enough, and then you just cringe when you watch them out of the corner of your eye... . they just close their eyes and jerk the trigger..... the muzzle does the up/down/jerk it around.....

On that landscape, you'd have to shoot that far, there ain't nothing to hide behind to sneak up on 'em!!! :D
 
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Yep its time well spent with children, we have had some come here by force with Dad!! At the end of the trip they are arm in arm and the other one aint so dumb any more. That's the part of the outdoors that I like to see. Had a young girl not want to shoot, but loved the horses and that's what we did she rode trail with me back to town and back to camp for a few days, at breakfast one day, with me being head in my eggs tired she said I want to hunt. Perfect we went and made SURE she got one BIGGER than Dad!!!!!
 
HH I noticed that on your Pards website they have guaranteed tags? we use to have those they were called Outfitter Sponsored tags, they did away with them a few years back, and it hurt many zones, that's why with ours its pretty nice that we don't have the Guaranteed tags, but its so remote that the tags are hardly ever taken, Look to be a pretty nice operation, BIL and I use to hunt in ID, CO, WY and MT never got down to NM but have seen some nice heads come from there, also some real nice muleys from northern NV
 
We don't have anything that pretty... . all dry and dusty, for the most part. That cold camp pic makes me want to load up my stuff and say, "Stuff (or something similar# it!! I'm out. Call me next year, when season's over. " :sigh: Well, maybe I can get back to that some day. My kids'll be old enough for an excuse, soon. I can use that to get out of here!! Hopefully, I'll get caught up financially in the next few years, and I can get back to hunting like I used to... . Teach these kids like I learned..... Followin' in footsteps, getting nasty looks when you crack a limb or step on some dry brush!!! :D



BAH!! That's a hell of a shot across that canyon!! Looks like 1,000 plus to the other side, same elevation... . That's a hard shot with the wind what it is in that country... . Not anything that won't get effected at that range. Problem with most is they don't shoot enough, and then you just cringe when you watch them out of the corner of your eye... . they just close their eyes and jerk the trigger..... the muzzle does the up/down/jerk it around.....



On that landscape, you'd have to shoot that far, there ain't nothing to hide behind to sneak up on 'em!!! :D



Took one of my FIL's Pard on a hunt one day, we came to a place that is my favorite place to sit and scope, the Elk love this its remote hard as hell to get there before daylight if you leave from camp, so we spiked for a night. He got up with every high tech gadget that is in ANY store. He woke me up with his wind speed and direction finder whining in the wind, he laid that down and made a mark on some paper, then got out his altimeter and scribbled on the paper, then some other thing. Pard it was colder than a well digger A** outside but it didn't stop him from making his calculations. I figured leave him alone he's having fun and its to cold to get out of the bag right now. He belly crawled to the tent and whispered BIG I see one!! I open up the tent flap looked out and he pointed it out, I said that's got to be at least a 3 miles away make some more scribble marks and tell me when its closer. He again whispered BIG there's another and it closer. I open the tent flap to let more cold air in and DAMN it was close, I pulled out my Cannern #I like that Gman brought that up # I have looked at enough Elk thru a scope that I can tell just about how far and how big it is by the hash marks in the recital, I said he's a nice one, ya want him? Ya!!!!! I don't think my gun is going to be enough!!! me either so chamber a round in mine and put it across the packs, he did I told him what hash marks in the scope to line up on and he made the comment the wind speed is #(((( Where? right here where we are at!! WELL IS THE ELK THAT F***ING CLOSE!!!!!!! NO so what good is that info. Open the tent flap and took a look with the binos and told him where to hold for wind, and let it go, He was so excited that laying there in the tent and in my bag I looked and he's as red as if he was sunburned, Damn Pard take a few breaths calm down an shoot the thing its cold. He shot the Elk and started running off down the hill, I got up and yelled it would be a WHOLE LOT BETTER IF YOU WERE TO TAKE A MULE WITH YA!!!!! oh ya, Easiest guiding I have ever done :-laf

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Big,



Hope you don't mind request for a change of subject a little bit. I lived in northern New Mexico growing up and had a horse to ride and a mule. The name of the horse was Chango -Spanish for a small monkey or joker. The mule's name was Guapo - Spanish for handsome. Their names were well given in my opinion. This is forty years ago so they have long passed on. Maybe it is just the strange person that I am, but I sure loved those critters and the time I spent with them as a boy.



Can you tell us more about your mules - and do you have any pictures of them?



Thanks!
 
HA HA HA HA!!! :-laf !! I never had it that easy!! :D I was always camp dog... . I had to hack firewood, cook, cape out hides, and when one guide quit, I was guiding, too. Then, on several occasions, I had to shoot the dang animal, too!!! (after they gut shot it and it was running off!!) I didn't care working for that guy. That's how I met Chris..... but I lost touch with him after several years... I had no idea he had moved to NM. Then, my Dad was wanting a place to hunt mulies, and found Chris through Cabela's... . I didn't go the first year, my wife and I had had our second child, so I didn't even see his name. But the second year, we were on the draw, and he calls me... . Asks me if I heard about the draw results... .
"NO, what the hell are you looking at my stuff for!?!?"
"Well, I'm your outfitter, stupid!!"
"Uhhhh..... "
"Hell, don't you pay ANY attention?!?!"
"No, I have kids!! Obviously not!!"

Needless to say, it's been a great relationship. I usually do some guiding for him, and then get to hunt the next week. I got out there last month to do some scouting, and hope to get out there again by the end of Sept..... Got some great looking bucks, and they're hanging around in the same places!! They've had some rain, and there's actually some ground water in several places... ... Should make for a good year.

The guaranteed tags are a combination of BLM management tags and landowner management tags that come off leases. And certain sections have a 100% draw rate. Some areas are hard as hell to hunt, and only certain outfitters have a good success rate in those areas... . :D I'm running 100% on my guides... . On my tags? Well, that's a little different..... I don't shoot one just to shoot it. I'll let a small one go and won't fill a tag if I can't shoot a good mature buck... . Maybe a crippled or dink buck if I see one the last afternoon... . Meat's meat, but I don't have to have it, I get a lot of pork and venison in Texas... . ;)
 
HH sound like we are the same, I don't usually guide I like to ride trail and pack, when in camp I help the girls out with firewood and camp chores, because im a nice guy :rolleyes: About the only time I guide is when one of the regulars that hunt with us comes and we get along, I enjoy that because they are just as good as I at anything in the hunt camp, well except for maybe the packing and care of the game.

I also like taking young ones out that maybe its their first or second time hunting, Fathers sometimes expect to much from them and are hard to please, it seems as thou if there is a Referee between them they get along, and it turns into a successful time. Fathers just want the best for them and its hard to show that at times. They are happy pictures when they down an animal.

Greg asked if I was going to get to hunt this year? I really don't know. We leave tomorrow for the first of the season with family and friends. I work to get them all an opportunity to at least take a shot. I can go all season, its not that we don't have meat around our place so if I get a chance great if not im good with that also. Just like to see happy face's in camp.
 
Happy faces... yep. That's why I go so much. We all get along so well, it's fantastic. My Dad, Cousin Mikee, and I. Dad is getting older, 64 last month... . starting to slow down some. I'm spending all the time I can with him. I know it's limited... . I know I'm blessed to get to work with him several days a week, too. I'm darn well blessed and know it. For us all to get to go and do the thing we enjoy so much, it's just another blessing... .
 
Happy faces... yep. That's why I go so much. We all get along so well, it's fantastic. My Dad, Cousin Mikee, and I. Dad is getting older, 64 last month... . starting to slow down some. I'm spending all the time I can with him. I know it's limited... . I know I'm blessed to get to work with him several days a week, too. I'm darn well blessed and know it. For us all to get to go and do the thing we enjoy so much, it's just another blessing... .

X 1000 on that HH, Pennys family is all I really have as far as family. I have a brother and sister but that's a VERY LONG STORY. So spending time and working with and for the dreams of her family is what I want to do. They have been more than I could have ever hoped for. FIL his Pard are in their mid and late 80's and still going strong. Pennys and My friends are here along with our best man and wife at our wedding. SIL and BIL , its going to be a GREAT HUNT.
 
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