Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Hydrogen Boost ??

[Houser]

Hi Turbo Dudes

I have been Looking at some of the many Hydrogen boost Packages available for gas and diesel engines. They all claim to improve hp and mileage by as much as

30%. Some you build your self using parts you can get @ home depot. others you can purchase for as little $600 preassembled. Has any one actually tried one of these things. Do they actually work.



Houser

 

[CanadianCarGuy]

There are better options out there, propane injection works far better than any of this crap. There have been fuel fogging kit and fumigating kits out there since the 70's. None of them were really effective and some of them even caused fires. The hydrogen boost packages are scams.

 

[TBurow]

hydrogen is very dangerous and far more explosive than propane, is it worth it to blow up your truck or worse yourself up in the quest for a few mpg's and horsepower? stick to tried and true propane its cheap and reliable if done right.

 

[CumminSense]

As far as the safety of hydrogen, the H2 (that's hydrogen, not Hummer) kit makers say that since the H2 and O2 is piped straight to the intake from the generator, there is very little "stored" (just the bit in the hoses), and thus there is little to explode. One end of the hoses has water, the end is already combusted, so that makes sense to me.



My understanding after some limited research is that the properties of H2 improving diesel combustion was discovered and tested in the 70s (or earlier) and was pretty well documented. I don't know why it never caught on (tried and just didn't live up to claims?).



One of my 1st questions would be: does the cost of the LP setup and refills exceed the H2 setup and electricity "cost" (current draw will drag on the alternator and thus slightly reduce the power at the transmission input)? And which gives the better MPG and power increases?



-- Steve

 

[SHobbs]

Have you seen the price of propane latley? One thing I have read as far as propane injection is that 85% of the fuel injected is for power, 15% for lubrication. Propane burns off that 15% leaving you with no lubrication in the cylinder. Not sure if thats true or not.

 

[DCreed]

why not veg oil?

 

[KCanepari]

I think hydrogen is a great idea. my understanding is that someone (who didn't want the tech. to get out) had the patent on the idea and it just ran out, that's why nobody has done this commercially up to this point. there is a company that will convert you vehicle over completely to hydrogen for $50000. people have been making homemade set-ups on there RV's for decades.

 

[DCreed]

I think hydrogen is a great idea. my understanding is that someone (who didn't want the tech. to get out) had the patent on the idea and it just ran out, that's why nobody has done this commercially up to this point. there is a company that will convert you vehicle over completely to hydrogen for $50000. people have been making homemade set-ups on there RV's for decades.

is that decimal in the right place?

 

[qkoop]

I have been doing the research, and i am going to go with a small booster cell. Most people that are against the idea have no experience behind them, they ussually just say somebody said. And as far as dangorous,no more dangerous than any other lpg. I have had propane inj. on diesel and it worked quite well. The problem is these homade set ups dont produce enough hydrogen to make a difference in fuel ecnonmy. You need to use a high frequincy pulse system for electrolisus to fracture the water to get a viable amount of gas. I found a nice kit for $2800. Hydrogen-Boost I was going to make my own cell, i have a full machine shop and tig, so could pick a design that has the best output. Also do some research and look up free energy on youtube. It seems that anybody who tries to bring a good product to market eiter gets bought out by the oil companys or gets murderd if they dont accept the buy out. If anybody is interested in building some thse projects and lives in th area shoot me an email. Quentin

 

[DCreed]

I dont think electric or hydrogen powered vehicles will become accepted or mainstream untill someone builds one with our trucks capability of towing and traveling hundreds of miles at a time. (per charge) If you think you can do it ,GO FOR IT!! and tell us how it goes step by step. I think its the way of the future for sure but it wont happen if it isnt made practical. 50 miles per charge @50mph max. wont cut it, and I dont believe a tow vehicle has been done yet. but the Cummins weighs 1000lbs and the trans another 400 so the usual weight problem isnt so bad on these trucks ,ratio wise anyways.

 

[drury]

I just spent some time on the hydrogen-boost.com website, and it is an interesting idea. I'm particularly intrigued with the claim that it burns the fuel cleaner such that a lot of emissions equipment is unnecessary. Quite apart from the mileage claims, I would be interested in putting one of these on my truck if it could eliminate the black smoke at the full power settings. In Southern California, the only power that counts for street use is the smoke free kind. If anybody actually tries this out, please post the results.

 

[Mundgyver]

Here is another site that is interesting;



Gorilla Development LLC - Press



I talked with the company owner and he stated that they are going through EPA certification in Calif right now and will be comming out with all new models in January that are more efficient.



I too am toying with the idea of putting one of these on my rig. I like the idea of cracking the water and burning the gas as an on-demand ratner than a on-board storage of a few thousand psi.



There are allot of companies making these units.



If you want to build one of these units, here is a set of blueprints that should do the job.



OS:Joe Cell:Blueprints - PESWiki



Enjoy



Here is one more site to look at also SaveFuel Hydrogen Facts Better Gas Mileage

 

[CanadianCarGuy]

I just looked at the hydrogen stuff, it look like it is simply steam injection. Kinda like boiling a kettle of water and feeding it into your intake. Exact same principal as propane injection.

 

[Mundgyver]

Close, but there is a cavieate. You are breaking down the water to it's two fundemental elements, Hydrogen and Oxygen and then feeding both gases into the intake and engine and burning them both at the same time. There is probably some water vapor that makes it into the system, depending on the set up.



The results are a cleaner and more complete burn of the diesel. The same as you get with propane injection, but with one difference. Your just using water which is allot cheaper to obtain than propane or natural gas or nitrous.



Straight hydrogen that can run an engine by itself in quantity has problems with metal imbrittelment as I understand it. Carring around a bottle of hydrogen has it's draw backs also considering most hydrogen bottles that I am familiar with are at around 2,700 to 3,000 psi. Crack one of these open in an accident and you have a large problem.



But with one of these units that cracks the water apart and then feeds it into the engine, you are only using what you can make on the fly. I like the idea. There is allot of potential in 5 gallons of water.



I wish we knew someone who is using one of these systems to talk too and look at the setup. It would help in answering some questions and we could also find out what problems were encountered, instead of having to rediscover them while being a guiene pig at the same time.



I will probably invest in a large one after the first of the year. I have a good understanding of the process having worked in the Semi-Conductor Industry for a few years and dealing with hydrogen on a somewhat regular basis.

 

[qkoop]

If you find a good inverter pulse system,let me know. Electronics aren't my fortay!There were a few on fleabay but i want to make sure i buy the best on the market. There is also a company out of Manatoba that has cells on a fleet of trucks,and they use distilled water but they are coming out with a system that pulls the water out of the atmosphere so you never have to worry about filling it. If you use tap water it builds deposts on the stainless plates.

 

[qkoop]

Check it out, this guy was killed beccause wouldnt take a buyout. YouTube - Run Your Car On Water Today: STAN MEYER KILLED Pt 1

 

[rweis]

Innovative Hydrogen Solutions seems to be pursueing this commercially. They call their unit H2 N-Gen. There are other commercial hydrogen generation equipment manufacturers.



The H2 N-Gen seems to destined for the automotive / truck market. Should be interesting.



Bob Weis

 

[CanadianCarGuy]

How do you know that the water is being broken into two separate gases? I'll bet if you added a slight amount of methanol to the water, you would gaining even power and economy with cooler combustion temperatures. I googled supplemental hydrogen and found that everyone who sells these is selling the same thing! Also, a dual alternator setup would be cool for this, then all the power from the extra alternator could be used to make O2 and hydrogen.

 

[Mundgyver]

As with all things there is a trade off. By adding one of these units and needing to crack the water with electricity, you will be adding a load to the engine. The question is does the load added = or is it > than the benifit gained.



If you lose mileage then obviously the load is too great, but on the other hand if you are gaining mileage, then the output of the process is greater than the additional load put on the engine.



By adding another alternator, you are adding a load to the engine. Claims have been made by some that this process is down to just a few amps and in the case of the fellow that was supposidly killed, down to 1/2 of an amp.



It is an interesting idea that has been around for a long time. If we could generate more hydrogen output, say 3 times the output over the input of 1/2 amp of power used, you then have the ability to run nothing but hydrogen and not have to worry about fuel at all. Just add water



It looks like frequency and radio waves are applied are a key to efficiency to this process. Find that key and you crack the efficiency code. Problem is, will big oil allow you to do this.



We all hear the myths, rumors and legends. Myths, rumors and legends all have a starting point that is usually murky and obscured. The question then become is it murky and obscured by design of those who want to keep secrets or is it truly a myth, rumor or legend.



Well I have rattle on long enough. Break down water and you can burn the two gases, oxygen and hydrogen.



Inject water and methanol and what you are doing is displacing volumn with the water and methanol vapor which is not a gas, but a vapor.



We just have to understand which one is more efficient and TAX FREE



If everyone could burn water, GOVY would then figure out another way to tax us.



I will be getting one of these system to tinker with after the first of the year. Gives me something to do in my old age. :-laf



Food for thought and more food for thought.