Hydrogen Generator for trucks

[EricBu12]

Just bought this.



MileageMaker Affordable Portable Onboard Hydrogen Generators for your vehicle.



Scroll down to the "Quad Pack"







It is a Hydrogen Generator that is made for our size of diesel trucks and makes a certain amount of HHo for the Diesel. I am mounting it in the bed and running the hoses up to the engine.



I bought my Wifes car a twin pack unit for her Ford Escape.



Claims from this and other sites are like 20-50% better economy...





Here is a testimonial from a guy on that site



Okay gentlemen. It has been a few months since I originally posted.

Here are the results.



Average fuel economy before installation computed over 3 years of regular checks=



1. 18mpg on diesel

2. 17. 5 mpg on BioD

3. 15mpg on VegOil



Average fuel economy after installation 500miles on Diesel, 250miles on BioD, and 3000 miles on VegOil.



1. 25. 3 mpg on Diesel

2. 23. 6 mpg on BioD

3. 21 mpg on VegOil



Fuel economy as a percent gain:



1. 40. 5% on Diesel

2. 35. 8% on BioD

3. 35. 4% on VegOil



Way better than anticipated. I was guaranteed 15% economy improvement, and am absolutely thrilled at the results.



I have also noticed more horsepower on VegOil, but I don't know exactly how much. Before, when I ran on VegOil, my truck could not exceed 83mph. With the hydrogen, I am able to go over 95mph on VegOil (I'm afraid to go faster). Not bad for a fully loaded F-250 with extra drag from ladders and tool racks.



Here's the website to order one. I've already ordered two more for my other business trucks. -Jack





So I guess this will help a bit. .

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Thanks Eric - it will be interesting to see if the maintenance required will erode the practicality and novelty over time. Keep us posted - and we WILL be asking followup questions as time passes! :-laf

 

[seafish]

Really this is fascinating "plug n' play" technology... but is it a too good to be true type of thing? Thanks for taking the risk and DO keep posting as to your impressions and results.
If it works, I'll be all over it!!

 

[EricBu12]

well the programmers are plug n play and we all love them... .



will see how it does. .

 

[ENafziger]

Hmmm, very interested in your results. How many amps does the quad unit pull?

--Eric

 

[EricBu12]

I'm thinking 10-15. . the wires don't look very heavy. . not more than 10 Gauge.

Might get the unit after the first week of Aug. I will post pics of installation and initial reaction.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Some pointers on the subject for the interested, but uninformed:



RunCarByWater - Fuel Conversion Kits Reviewed



The Josef Hasslberger page: Tecno

 

[seafish]

Gary, thanks for the links--quite informative...

After glancing through the second article, the issue of corrosion of the CTD engine manifolds immediately comes to the forefront; So now I am curious if the Mileage Maker kit address this issue in any way??

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Gary, thanks for the links--quite informative...



After glancing through the second article, the issue of corrosion of the CTD engine manifolds immediately comes to the forefront; So now I am curious if the Mileage Maker kit address this issue in any way??

YUP - that caught my eye as well.



Being a user of the Frantz line of oil bypass filters, I often hear negative comments as to the "extra maintenance" they require for best results - I can't help but wonder if the similar "extra maintenance" of the Hydrogen generating units will be a significant factor for some potential customers as well.



Of course, with the Frantz, potential $$$ advantages are WAYYyyy down the line in added engine life, whereas the Hydrogen setups start savings at first startup...

 

[Hescomp]

Hydro

EricBu12 Have you had to do anything with the intake heaters or any other special mods?



Where do you introduce the Hydo at?



I've been working on my gassers so far but hesitant on my Ram.



Have you addressed Hydogen Embritlement yet?



It would be even better at 50mpg



If you have some time to discuss send me a PM.

 

[EricBu12]

i think the Corrosion factor in the link above is the guy that built the ONLY water fuel in a buggy. Since this is a hybrid, and fuel is introduced to the metal area, I don't think the Corrosion factor is going to be bad. Especially if you add like additives to the fuel to help Clean parts.

I was led to assume you intro the hydrogen at the intake of the turbo since that is the only place where there is Vacuum. I will look at the instructions when I get it... On cars, it is hooked into the intake manifold.

No mods to the Heaters other than the heater saver which turns off when the coolant is above 70 degrees. I guess I could have a manual switch for the hydrogen to turn on after the heaters have turned off in the winter time.

As Far as the Embrittlement goes. I think that is also affected by how much Hydrogen is used. With all the coatings and the oils in our fuel, I don't think it will be a problem

 

[Hescomp]

I went to the site where you got the unit. It looks like a good unit at a real good price.

I am working on my own and once I get up to 6 Liters per minute output I'll try it on my 3500 Ram.

I think your right about the water, as far as I know the hydro is just causing a better burn and cooling things off.

I have found a product that says they can address the Hydro Embrit. Issue. It is called XADO and they say it also increases mileage. I bought some for my gasser to see how it goes. I'd rather experiment there first. I like my truck running.

Keep us posted as to how everything goes with the hydro.

 

[KevinLewis]

So this is real and can work? I know you can get hydrogen from water, but can you get enough to run a vehicle? What about the violity of hydrogen?

 

[DPellegrin]

Gentlemen-



Pull-ese, these hydrogen things have been around for many years. There is never any documented, analytical test data where there has been a controlled test that determines an energy balance on the engine. There is just testimonials from someone who strapped this thing onto their engine.



The laws of thermodynamics are clear, that is you can't get something for nothing. It takes energy to dissociate hydrogen and oxygen from water. The fact is it takes more energy to do this than it yields in heating value in the hydrogen fuel.



It's kind of like this: You can starve from just eating celery because it takes more energy to chew it than it gives you in dietary calories.



Enough said!!

 

[TMax]

OK But aren't you making electricity anyway through the alternator? You are taking free energy and making some that would cost you otherwise. Where is the chewing celery come into play if you are chewing anyway?

 

[DPellegrin]

TMax-

Let's see if I understand you correctly. You think that it takes no energy to turn the alternator? Law of physics: Volts X Amps = Watts (electrical units of energy). The alternator produces electrical energy measured in Watts. Also because it is a system it is not 100% efficient. That is more energy is used to drive it (mechanical energy) than it produces in electrical energy!



Alternators do not produce energy for free!!

Regards,

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Gentlemen-



Pull-ese, these hydrogen things have been around for many years. There is never any documented, analytical test data where there has been a controlled test that determines an energy balance on the engine. There is just testimonials from someone who strapped this thing onto their engine.



The laws of thermodynamics are clear, that is you can't get something for nothing. It takes energy to dissociate hydrogen and oxygen from water. The fact is it takes more energy to do this than it yields in heating value in the hydrogen fuel.



It's kind of like this: You can starve from just eating celery because it takes more energy to chew it than it gives you in dietary calories.



Enough said!!

HMMmmmm - so, you're saying that the guy I pointed to earlier who was running his vehicle TOTALLY from hydrogen generation power, wasn't REALLY going anywhere - he just THOUGHT he was? :-laf:-laf

 

[brods]

OK But aren't you making electricity anyway through the alternator? You are taking free energy and making some that would cost you otherwise. ... .

That one site makes it seem that way with their word games, but it is simply not true. Sets off the BS alarm bells and be very wary of anything else they say.



Ever notice how the lights dim and the engine speed changes when the grid heaters on our trucks kick on? That is because drawing power from the alternator is not free. The more amps you draw (like when the grid heaters kick on) the more engine power that is needed to turn the alternator. Back to simple physics again. You cannot get something for nothing. Worse yet, every time you convert one type of energy into another (mechanical to electrical or chemical to mechanical, etc) you loose some energy, mostly as heat.



Hydrogen has been around forever. In the old days, gasoline engines had inefficient ignition systems. There were relatively frequent misfires where the fuel did not ignite and just went out the exhaust. Hydrogen made the fuel mixture easier to ignite, so there were less misfires and mpg went up. Assuming diesel fuel vehicle gains will be similar to gasoline powered vehicles, as has been implied from time to time, is not a good assumption. Comparing apples to oranges.



Like DPellegrin stated, someone needs to produce some hard data which supports the claims for diesel engines. And not only supports the mpg increase claims, but details ALL the costs associated with running the hydrogen setup.

 

[TMax]

Ok then how about we see what happens with EricBu12's vehicle. It is not that I disbelieve what you are saying... but I do believe that the alternator in my truck or my wife's Armada DO produce excess electricity when the batteries are charged up. I am waiting to see what happens before I judge for myself that's all.

 

[Bob V]

You do not understand how an alternater works, they ONLY put out what is needed, if the didn't they would fry your batterys. If it was this simple the automakers would already be doing it.