I got smoked by an F150 in my '16

[jgillott]

Now that's a match I'd like to see.

The Hemi vs. 3.5L Ecoboost?

 

[Cummins12V98]

Patriot Blue was quicker that Deep Cherry Red over Silver(empty)!

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Looks like a tear in the eye of Ol Blue!

 

[KPear]

Overestimating my '01??? Hmmmm, I don't think so...been driving it very hard for many many years. Dragging, pulling, Baja trips, etc. just put a little TLC into it recently and it's still running like a bat out of hell.

Okay, so you're comparing a souped-up heavily modified 2001 Ram to a stock and warrantied 2016 Ram. Again, I ask, why are you surprised by that the difference in performance?

If you really wanted to ditch the warranty, you could likely make the newer Ram just as capable and fast as your older vehicle. Comparing stock-to-stock, the newer 13+ Ram's with the 6.7l are head-and-shoulders ahead of the older Ram's in terms of towing and general driving performance.

And as for getting beat by 3.5l ecboost F-150, again different trucks with different purposes. The F-150 is a lighter truck with a more powerful engine. It's intended for the weekend warrior crowd who want fast acceleration and good handling (relatively speaking). The Ram 2500/3500 is commercial-grade work truck...it wasn't designed to be a stop-light racer or set 0-60 records.

Most people who buy these trucks and use them for their intended purpose really don't care if a F-150 can accelerate faster. If you want to burn tires and roll coal with your $60k 3/4 ton, your wallet will be the only limiting factor.

 

[Devil Black Diesel]

Okay, so you're comparing a souped-up heavily modified 2001 Ram to a stock and warrantied 2016 Ram. Again, I ask, why are you surprised by that the difference in performance?

If you really wanted to ditch the warranty, you could likely make the newer Ram just as capable and fast as your older vehicle. Comparing stock-to-stock, the newer 13+ Ram's with the 6.7l are head-and-shoulders ahead of the older Ram's in terms of towing and general driving performance.

And as for getting beat by 3.5l ecboost F-150, again different trucks with different purposes. The F-150 is a lighter truck with a more powerful engine. It's intended for the weekend warrior crowd who want fast acceleration and good handling (relatively speaking). The Ram 2500/3500 is commercial-grade work truck...it wasn't designed to be a stop-light racer or set 0-60 records.

Most people who buy these trucks and use them for their intended purpose really don't care if a F-150 can accelerate faster. If you want to burn tires and roll coal with your $60k 3/4 ton, your wallet will be the only limiting factor.

Hey KPear, I think you're the type who just likes to argue?? First you state I'm angry?? you forgot to note where I stated that. Next you claim I'm overestimating my '01? Not... and now you state that I'm comparing my old truck to my new '16 and I'm surprised there's a difference in performance??? I'm scratching my head...

Here's a summary in layman's terms for you: Modern turbo diesels have been known to be fairly quick trucks (stock) when comparing to gas trucks, especially up grades....I happened to be going up a grade (not drag racing 0-60) and got smoked by an F150 v6 - this is something that in the past probably wouldn't have happened with a gasser. But now enter the recent surge in gasser performance, ala ecoboost and aluminum frame. I do not follow f150 gasser specs and was not aware of recent 1/2 ton gasser performance so I posted a thread asking if there's something I can do to wake my truck up...

Next, KPear arrives and says I'm angry, overestimating my old truck, and makes claims about me being surprised there's a difference in performance between my modded '01 and stock '16??

And people who buy these trucks don't care about power and acceleration huh? Yeah you are correct there's definitely not a huge market for performance mods out there...

Carry on KPear, you sure must be a fun one to hang out with at a party

 

[Wayne M.]

The Hemi vs. 3.5L Ecoboost?

Similarly equipped otherwise? My Durango is probably a hi 14 second tank. I'm dying to run it! The police Charger and eco boost Taurus are compatible performance wise.
Just think. give the Ram some forced induction like the Ford has----

 

[jgillott]

Similarly equipped otherwise? My Durango is probably a hi 14 second tank. I'm dying to run it! The police Charger and eco boost Taurus are compatible performance wise.
Just think. give the Ram some forced induction like the Ford has----

Unless that Ram has an incredible top end that I'm not aware of (and remember how many of these things I own) I don't think it would be close. Sport mode launch in 4-high with the turbos spooled against the brake and the traction control off is downright smile inducing. (Not that I have tried.....)

 

[Wayne M.]

Justin, have you driven a 1500 Ram with the 8 speed? 2014 or newer model? Makes a big difference.
I cannot find a comparison (video or otherwise) of the two, with the Ram having the 8 speed.

 

[jgillott]

Justin, have you driven a 1500 Ram with the 8 speed? 2014 or newer model? Makes a big difference.
I cannot find a comparison (video or otherwise) of the two, with the Ram having the 8 speed.

Yes, both the '18 and the '19 before I picked up the Ford.

 

[JR]

Yes, both the '18 and the '19 before I picked up the Ford.

Which engine package were you looking at in the Ram?

 

[jgillott]

Which engine package were you looking at in the Ram?

5.7 Hemi 8-speed

 

[Newsa]

The new 3.5 ecoboost has 375 hp and 470 torque, that is more torque than my 97 had off the lot. The power comes on very quickly too. Throw in a 10 speed transmission...these trucks are fast.

Why do you need a 10 speed transmission with that much torque and go in a light duty truck?

 

[JR]

Why do you need a 10 speed transmission with that much torque and go in a light duty truck?

CAFE

 

[Devil Black Diesel]

Yes, both the '18 and the '19 before I picked up the Ford.

Is there any other gasser out there that matches the performance and efficiency of the ford ecoboost? What kind of mileage are you getting? I just might have to take a look at adding the ecoboost to the light duty collection...

 

[jgillott]

Is there any other gasser out there that matches the performance and efficiency of the ford ecoboost? What kind of mileage are you getting? I just might have to take a look at adding the ecoboost to the light duty collection...

Lowest in mixed driving hand calculated has been 18.2. Highest 21.3.

I did one tank of solid towing with my travel trailer (5500#) and it was 10.5.

You can check out my thread on the truck in this thread if you would like.

https://www.turbodieselregister.com/threads/added-another-truck-to-my-fleet.264001/

 

[Devil Black Diesel]

Lowest in mixed driving hand calculated has been 18.2. Highest 21.3.

I did one tank of solid towing with my travel trailer (5500#) and it was 10.5.

You can check out my thread on the truck in this thread if you would like.

https://www.turbodieselregister.com/threads/added-another-truck-to-my-fleet.264001/

Well, it sounds like a great truck. If these things prove to be reliable I'll be looking to pick one up. Getting smoked by one happened for a reason Keep some updates coming on this thread after you have put tons of hard miles on it. Thanks for your feedback.

 

[KPear]

Hey KPear, I think you're the type who just likes to argue?? First you state I'm angry?? you forgot to note where I stated that. Next you claim I'm overestimating my '01? Not... and now you state that I'm comparing my old truck to my new '16 and I'm surprised there's a difference in performance??? I'm scratching my head...

It was not readily apparent in your first post that your 01 was modified. So when you compare your 01's ability to "smoke a F-150" to the stock 2016 Ram's inability to do so, you're not exactly making an apples-to-apples comparison. That shouldn't be hard for anyone, including yourself, to appreciate.

Here's a summary in layman's terms for you: Modern turbo diesels have been known to be fairly quick trucks (stock) when comparing to gas trucks, especially up grades....I happened to be going up a grade (not drag racing 0-60) and got smoked by an F150 v6 - this is something that in the past probably wouldn't have happened with a gasser. But now enter the recent surge in gasser performance, ala ecoboost and aluminum frame. I do not follow f150 gasser specs and was not aware of recent 1/2 ton gasser performance so I posted a thread asking if there's something I can do to wake my truck up...

I've never heard that sentiment from anyone else. Modern turbodiesel trucks are known for being very torquey trucks compared to modern gasoline trucks. But torque doesn't win drag races or get you up the hill faster, horsepower does. A lighter truck, with a v8 or turbo v6 gasoline, will, generally-speaking, have a higher hp/weight ratio relative to a 3/4 ton diesel.

The advantage of diesels is that their low-end torque (which translates into low-end horsepower) is more optimal for working duties (towing, hauling). A gasoline truck may get up the hill faster, but it will be working harder and expending far more fuel to do so relative to the diesel.

And yes, there are tuning options to make the modern diesel's faster; those options will cost money, likely void your warranty and may land you with expensive repair bills.

 

[Wiredawg]

Just thought I would throw in some info I heard about the F150 eco boost. My wife's cousin owns an auto repair shop... I mentioned how impressive the numbers have hp/tq numbers are on those trucks. He shared he had a few in his shop with blown engines. they were 4x4s and were driven by teens. His impression was they can't take the strain that the V8s can. I guess these trucks make big numbers at high rpms versus gas v8s and diesels. But, anyone can destroy anything if they abuse it hard enough. Just adding to the conversation. Ron

 

[Newsa]

Just thought I would throw in some info I heard about the F150 eco boost. My wife's cousin owns an auto repair shop... I mentioned how impressive the numbers have hp/tq numbers are on those trucks. He shared he had a few in his shop with blown engines. they were 4x4s and were driven by teens. His impression was they can't take the strain that the V8s can. I guess these trucks make big numbers at high rpms versus gas v8s and diesels. But, anyone can destroy anything if they abuse it hard enough. Just adding to the conversation. Ron

See. It's because they didn't use amsoil!

 

[Chipstien]

Just remember that super fast F-150 with Ecoboost cost the same as a caparibly equiped Ram Cummins. Earlier this year I traded in a new F-150 Platinum with 7600 miles on a '18 fully loaded Ram 3500 Longhorn with Aisin. Msrp on the Ford was 62k with I had to pay because people are stupid and will pay those rediculous prices. Msrp on my Ram was 78k but I special ordered it with every option and still got it for 60.5k. only thing I will say is the Ford had adptive cruise, BSM, panarama sunroof, (vs standard sunroof in my Ram), and Massaging seats. Only thing I would like is the BSM.

Now ask what is the better deal.

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[CMB]

Hook this up to that F-150. 13k dry