If You Use Fuel Additives - Emulsifyer or Demulsifyer & Why?

[Matt400]

*I* would sure want to drive on by any station putting out that percentage of water in their fuel!

But what if you didn't know and was one of the few that rolled in when they had their trouble? If it was mixed well at the time and you only had a minor performance problem you might want to break up the water further and run the tank out, but that's 600 miles.



The only reason I posted Cummins views on running 18% water was so we could all see what they say. It's not a special potion- 18% water, 80% #2, and the rest in additive to emulsify it for consumption.



I don't see how that is any different then a consumer who got a bad load of fuel (water) "but still running" and goes for the emulsifier at the parts store.

 

[Matt400]

I'm sorry you have to fuel at such poor sources, or people near you do. Most of us luckily fill at normal stations with normal fuel.

Thanks, maybe some day I too can join the normal people.



In all fairness we should blame the tanker driver that off loaded and didn't secure the fill point, or the contractor that designed the drainage not thinking the driver would do such a thing or the fella up the street that didn't keep his storm drains clear I dunno **it happens.

 

[Brandon]

silly Matt first off you cant be from cali to be normal

 

[Matt400]

Hush, here the electronic world I can be a wanna be

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

"So 6. 5 gallons water to 30 gallons fuel would be runnable as long as its emulsified allowing the driver to stay away from a big repair bill. "



ANY diesel owner who would deliberately and knowingly run that percentage of water in his fuel deserves the problems he is CERTAIN to receive!



After all, IF we could run that percentage of water with only a small percentage of treatment, WHY are we paying so much for diesel fuel?

 

[Matt400]

IF we could run that percentage of water with only a small percentage of treatment, WHY are we paying so much for diesel fuel?

Cuz you want the good stuff with no water.



In the article it states- There are multiple vendors currently selling water-emulsified diesel to local route fleets for on and off highway use.

I don't know why they want it and didn't even know there was a market for it but then again it must be some "special" blend. Probably clean water :-laf

 

[Brandon]

I'll tell ya what... . this whole thread sounds like a swans song

dont you think G

 

[WyattEarp]

i have used powerservice,stanydine and both seem to work well... call me crazy but recently started using MMO. . fuel pump is alot quieter and have absolutely no problems at all, 5 tanks so far. . to me a product like that would have died out long ago if it were not some good, besides with the current epa regulations on diesel fuel... any lubrication in the fuel system is a plus. . but a tank of red runs like a dream :-laf

I forgot to mention im on the original injector pump and lift pump still going at nearly 97000 miles, and trust me those pumps have seen alot of extra lubrication properties, and have never had the water in fuel light to come on and yes its working properly...

 

[LightmanE300]

I just have one question, what the heck is a swan's song? :-laf

 

[BrandonF]

swans song is a thread thats outta control... ... ..... lol

 

[tschwab]

i have used powerservice,stanydine and both seem to work well... call me crazy but recently started using MMO. . fuel pump is alot quieter and have absolutely no problems at all, 5 tanks so far. . to me a product like that would have died out long ago if it were not some good, besides with the current epa regulations on diesel fuel... any lubrication in the fuel system is a plus. . but a tank of red runs like a dream :-laf

I forgot to mention im on the original injector pump and lift pump still going at nearly 97000 miles, and trust me those pumps have seen alot of extra lubrication properties, and have never had the water in fuel light to come on and yes its working properly...

What is MMO?

 

[jcarey]

MMO = Marvel Mystery Oil . There's currently an active thread talking about it:



https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120467



Jim

 

[mjlexus]

antigel

I was wondering if any body uses FIRE UP as their anti gel?

 

[LightmanE300]

Can I just reiterate that this poll is totally inaccurate and a joke because Powerservice is an emulsifyer/solubizer, NOT a demulsifier. I'm sure since it's the most popular additive that this inaccuracy has swayed the overall vote considerably. Oh well, I just realized this is a pretty old thread =]

 

[mhenon]

Proformix...diesel fuel/water blend

Here's the "Water/Diesel fuel" mix that's getting everyone confused:



"It may sound crazy, but ordinary H2O is one of the cornerstones of the solution.

Proformix™ fuel is a “water-in-fuel” diesel blend that utilizes Lubrizol’s PuriNOx™ technology to lower NOx emissions by up to 30% and particulate matter as much as 50% in direct-injection, diesel-powered engines. It’s delivered to the end-user as a homogeneous, white emulsion of diesel fuel, water and chemical additives that can be used immediately, without modifications to existing engines or to most storage equipment. "



That came from the Chevron web-page. Just don't confuse this approved fuel with accidently getting a slug of water or condensation in your fuel tank.

Apples and Oranges.

Lightman. . I think Stanadynes position is this: All diesel fuel has some water in it as you pointed out. That water is small enough to pass through any filter as you pointed out. So. . lets put an additive in the fuel that lumps those little droplets together and pass it through a filter that "can" wick it out of solution to be drained off the bottom of a fuel filter bowl.

Problem with the Cummins (in the Dodge anyway) is we don't have that type of filter without going to some after-market set-up. Our little 30 micron fuel filter really isn't fit to be anything but a prefilter that, in my opinion, should have been placed before the lift pump to catch the "big" stuff. The WIF light and heater are a nice touch but 30 microns isn't much for a final filter.

Oh. . as for which additive to use. . I'm going to stick with Stanadyne. If you fuel up with good fresh fuel (like at a truck stop) the emulsify/demulsify question is mute. You don't need either. If I was to get a bad load of fuel. . I would want it to settle out in the tank and do it's damage there. . not in the injectors ot pump.

As I use bio-diesel when I can get (I don't use an additive with bio-diesel) my tank is probably fairly clean. Bio-diesel is a natural emulsifier which attracts water(there's a little residual alcohol in the biodiesel) so in a sense. . I'm using both emulsifyer and demulsifyer (when running D#2).

Mike

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

"Our little 30 micron fuel filter really isn't fit to be anything but a prefilter that, in my opinion, should have been placed before the lift pump to catch the "big" stuff. The WIF light and heater are a nice touch but 30 microns isn't much for a final filter. "



You might NOT think the existing filter should be in FRONT of the LP - if you ever saw the wear-trash the LP and similar pumps put out in normal operation... Would probably kill the VP-44 in the first 500 miles!

 

[rbattelle]

Stock filter is 10 micron, not 30.



-Ryan

 

[mhenon]

I think the way it's supposed to be set-up is; pre-filter. . LP. . final filter. In a way we have that system with the in tank fuel module that filters the "really big stuff. I would like to flip my LP/filter around. . so the LP came after the filter. Then add a 2 micron filter after that.

As to the stock filter. . I was pretty sure they are 30 micron. Won't be the first time I was wrong though.

Just looked over my post. . correct "mute" to "moot" point (spell check didn't help me there. . ha ha).

Mike

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

I use one of the Frantz sub-micronic TP filters AHEAD the stock fuel filter and AFTER the LP - when I change the TP element, you would be AMAZED at the abundance of fine metalic crud visible on top of the old filter element - of course, I also have a Carter pusher pump inline too, so twice the pump wear crud...



SURE glad to have that extra Frantz fuel filter in there!

 

[rbattelle]

I think the way it's supposed to be set-up is; pre-filter. . LP. . final filter. In a way we have that system with the in tank fuel module that filters the "really big stuff. I would like to flip my LP/filter around. . so the LP came after the filter. Then add a 2 micron filter after that.

As to the stock filter. . I was pretty sure they are 30 micron. Won't be the first time I was wrong though.

Just looked over my post. . correct "mute" to "moot" point (spell check didn't help me there. . ha ha).

Mike

I contacted Fleetguard and asked them specifically. Here's their response:



Thank you for contacting Fleetguard.



The FS19579 is a 10 Micron at 98. 67% efficient.



If we can be of further assistance to you, please feel free to contact your Fleetguard Customer Assistance Center or send a message to FleetMaster.



Please visit our homepage often at http://www.fleetguard.com



Sincerely,



Fleetguard FleetMaster



-Ryan