Stakeman,
This is a dead issue as far as i am concerned.
This is a dead issue as far as i am concerned.
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Stefan, I really wish you would learn not to keep stiring the pot. Your comment about a possible sponsorship then saying it's a dead issue and don't want to talk about it is definitaly not taking the high road(as nicely as I can put it). Why do you feel the need to kick a man when he's down. Shame on you
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Mopar-muscle,
1. I put my signature in the first post and was saveing server space. Remember, Bill is the one who started posting on the TDR and trying to drum up business for his company, which opened the door to people scrutinizeing his motives. Would you like me to add my signature to every post?????
2. No, and never will after the responses I received from Bill when I was looking at installing his products.
3. I know what is in it, I was poseing the question to someone else to see if they knew what they were talking about. EDIT:: or just stirring the pot.
4. What mob would you be referring to, its only the dtt guys that are bashing everybody elses products. I stand alone on most of my adventures when it comes to dtt.
Any more questions, At least I answer questions that are put to me, even if they are trying to cause trouble or getting a dig in when someone is down like is just what you are doing.
Ron
1. I put my signature in the first post and was saveing server space. Remember, Bill is the one who started posting on the TDR and trying to drum up business for his company, which opened the door to people scrutinizeing his motives. Would you like me to add my signature to every post?????
2. No, and never will after the responses I received from Bill when I was looking at installing his products.
3. I know what is in it, I was poseing the question to someone else to see if they knew what they were talking about. EDIT:: or just stirring the pot.
4. What mob would you be referring to, its only the dtt guys that are bashing everybody elses products. I stand alone on most of my adventures when it comes to dtt.
Any more questions, At least I answer questions that are put to me, even if they are trying to cause trouble or getting a dig in when someone is down like is just what you are doing.
Ron
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Let me go on record stateing that Chris a. k. a. (CAnderson) a. k. a. (cummins corvette) and I have never been friends, the fact is we have never met and at one time had very different opinions and he even was one of the guys that use to slam and bash me and my choice of after market parts.
That being said, I think everyone should be ashamed of the way they have treated Chris, especially dureing his time of need and trying to get help. I know first hand how hard and frustrateing it can be when you don't have any extra money to spend for upgrades but still want them and save money until you do, then not have things work the way the were designed. Remember, not everyone has a sponser, or has money to throw at every part that comes along. The old adage of "it all depends on who your friends are" really stands out when some people can get away with talking down vendors but others can not, that has to be the thing that burns me the most and the reason I am so vocal about DTT supporters.
If a product has problems I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT and I think most everyone else would like to know too. Why else do most of us read these threads, in my opinion for the common knowledge that can be shared by everyone, GOOD OR BAD.
I use to support and probably still will ATS. That being said, I think ATS handled the situation very poorly, all they would have had to do is make the statement that they do not approve of Chris's actions and stated they do not support him and then privately e-mailed him telling him not use their company as a pawn in his games (if thats what they really are I don't know). To publicly chastize and humiliate him was unnessicary. I know ATS probably could give a rats ess about me but in my opinion it sure doesn't show much professionalizm.
You know if someone wants to get parts it sure isn't that hard to do, a buddy, fake name, sister, brother, father, mother, go between, or many other ways to do it could be thought of. I'am not trying to give anyone ideas on how to, but rather have think about what your saying before you say it.
Ron
That being said, I think everyone should be ashamed of the way they have treated Chris, especially dureing his time of need and trying to get help. I know first hand how hard and frustrateing it can be when you don't have any extra money to spend for upgrades but still want them and save money until you do, then not have things work the way the were designed. Remember, not everyone has a sponser, or has money to throw at every part that comes along. The old adage of "it all depends on who your friends are" really stands out when some people can get away with talking down vendors but others can not, that has to be the thing that burns me the most and the reason I am so vocal about DTT supporters.
If a product has problems I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT and I think most everyone else would like to know too. Why else do most of us read these threads, in my opinion for the common knowledge that can be shared by everyone, GOOD OR BAD.
I use to support and probably still will ATS. That being said, I think ATS handled the situation very poorly, all they would have had to do is make the statement that they do not approve of Chris's actions and stated they do not support him and then privately e-mailed him telling him not use their company as a pawn in his games (if thats what they really are I don't know). To publicly chastize and humiliate him was unnessicary. I know ATS probably could give a rats ess about me but in my opinion it sure doesn't show much professionalizm.
You know if someone wants to get parts it sure isn't that hard to do, a buddy, fake name, sister, brother, father, mother, go between, or many other ways to do it could be thought of. I'am not trying to give anyone ideas on how to, but rather have think about what your saying before you say it.
Ron
just curious ron , you seem to take a shot at bill every chance you get .
what i was refering to on your sig was the one line that is directed at bill
you put your whole sig in one post , then on subsquent post you put just that one line .
just having a little fun .
as far as chris is concerned , he shot himself in the foot and i don't blame ATS one bit for deciding not to sell him their product .
look at the trash he dumped about DTT , he was advised against the mods , got them anyway and now is spewing all this garbage , if i were a business owner i can tell you the last thing i need is a loose cannon like that .
he has more than enough time to get his concerns address , he seems to have decided against it .
he was in vegas when bill was there , did he let bill drive his truck to see if he truly had the problem he claimed ?
i'll be on the phone with bill shortly , i will pose that question to him .
i'll also ask bill what ,as far as he can figure , is the cause of YOUR sour grapes .
stakeman , i honestly doubt he cares what the point is .
Bob Wagner
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TGIF
ron is just brimming with angst
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ron is just brimming with angst
:{After thinking about it for awhile, I think Ron has a point. ATS could have handled this situation differently. They should have stopped CC sooner if they were thinking of doing what they did. Maybe they weren't following the posts at the time, maybe they warned him (I know I tried to in a earlier post). Maybe I should retract my earlier comment calling ATS "A classy bunch of guys". None of us knows all the facts so I will let my comment stand. We all need to remember that ALL the people making comments here that are affiliated with any of the companies have a agenda (either hidden or right out in the open). They are here to promote their company. Sure, they like to help people along the way when they can, but underneath that they are in business to make money... . thats how business is. Anyone that tells you someting different could be partially right but underneath their statement ________________ the hidden agenda will always be there.
CC, hang in there. Better times are ahead
CC, hang in there. Better times are ahead
Ron,
Although most were tough on him, go back and read some of his post to Joe D, or Piers where he acts like he knows more, the old saying "treat others like you would want them to treat you" is what he should think about. There are others ways to get your point across then simply shouting "PROVE ME WRONG!!!"
$0. 02 in the pot,
Andrew
Bob Wagner
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just my 2 cents
I've had my 91% set up for 13 months. Its been flawless
If you want the most bang for your buck, between DDT & ATS
I vote for DTT. With those mods it will live a veeeeeeeeeery long life
I've had my 91% set up for 13 months. Its been flawless
If you want the most bang for your buck, between DDT & ATS
I vote for DTT. With those mods it will live a veeeeeeeeeery long life
Pit Bull,
I recently returned home from Denver after getting the complete ATS Trans Rebuild ,Triple Lock Torque Converter,Valve Body, extra clutches, Cryoed Shafts and such, along with the Converter lockup control box. I truely love the way my truck now preforms. I'm no longer sorry that I purchased an auto over the 6 speed. If I want to this thing will squeel the tires on dry asphalt. I did it once. on wet asplalt it can get you into trouble quick if your acting up as was the case yesterday, while showing my nieghbor how well my trans now works over his stock 99 3500 2 wheel drive with only 45,000 miles on it.
My preforamance up grades are DD# 1 Injectors and the Edge EZ box. Quite mild compaired to other members rigs. The crew at ATS were a pleasure to do business with and I am very satisfied with the drieabilty and preformance of this transmission. I also believe that this trans will last a long time.
Hope you find this helpfull, TJ
I recently returned home from Denver after getting the complete ATS Trans Rebuild ,Triple Lock Torque Converter,Valve Body, extra clutches, Cryoed Shafts and such, along with the Converter lockup control box. I truely love the way my truck now preforms. I'm no longer sorry that I purchased an auto over the 6 speed. If I want to this thing will squeel the tires on dry asphalt. I did it once. on wet asplalt it can get you into trouble quick if your acting up as was the case yesterday, while showing my nieghbor how well my trans now works over his stock 99 3500 2 wheel drive with only 45,000 miles on it.
My preforamance up grades are DD# 1 Injectors and the Edge EZ box. Quite mild compaired to other members rigs. The crew at ATS were a pleasure to do business with and I am very satisfied with the drieabilty and preformance of this transmission. I also believe that this trans will last a long time.
Hope you find this helpfull, TJ
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Pitt bull,both my father and I have the DTT setups in our trucks. I put Dad's in a year ago,he has the 91%,80 psi VB,and update kit,it is flawless,he has dd2's,and a ez,that transmission rocks,it tows like a dream,and never even hinted at slipping since. Mine is set up a bit more aggessive as i have over 400hp. I tow a trailer every week ,and plow snow,at 11K GVWR with mine this winter. I also drag race it on occasion. it now has 12K on the mods(10 months),and it shows no signs of weakening . My transmission gets worked hard,if there were a weak link it would have showed up by now. From my experiences with my trannys,and with Bill and crew at DTT,you could not go wrong with DTT. IMO there customer service is the absolute best. feel free to Pm me if you want any more details on what we have and how it works.
Pit Bull
Like I said earlier, you must decide for your self how YOU will use your truck and then decide which system will better suit your needs.
In my opinion, (underline) if you are going to race maybe use the ATS approach. If you want to tow and have long life (still in my opinion) use the DTT approach. My reasoning? I believe the torque at shift has to be disipated. Towing a TT or 5er, etc. you cannot expect (nor do you want) your rear tires to spin with the excess torque so something has to give. You decide which method YOU want to use for your intended purpose.
MY driving has VERY little WOT so I do not expect my Trans will unlock too much so what the heck.
Do not listen to me or anybody else. You decide for yourself what your needs are and picik the theory that suits you.
If someone can prove to me that a locked shift for MY purpose is better and there is no need for increased pressure, then I might re-evaluate MY decision.
Just my personal experience and opinion. Just trying to add real world facts
I believe it has been said that the DTT trans is not 100% efficient. When it locks up, it is as efficient as any other locked transmission. The difference is when it locks up. So you have to look through the smoke and mirrors to find the real facts.
I hope someone can clear this all up for me.
Thanks
Tom
Like I said earlier, you must decide for your self how YOU will use your truck and then decide which system will better suit your needs.
In my opinion, (underline) if you are going to race maybe use the ATS approach. If you want to tow and have long life (still in my opinion) use the DTT approach. My reasoning? I believe the torque at shift has to be disipated. Towing a TT or 5er, etc. you cannot expect (nor do you want) your rear tires to spin with the excess torque so something has to give. You decide which method YOU want to use for your intended purpose.
MY driving has VERY little WOT so I do not expect my Trans will unlock too much so what the heck.
Do not listen to me or anybody else. You decide for yourself what your needs are and picik the theory that suits you.
If someone can prove to me that a locked shift for MY purpose is better and there is no need for increased pressure, then I might re-evaluate MY decision.
Just my personal experience and opinion. Just trying to add real world facts
I believe it has been said that the DTT trans is not 100% efficient. When it locks up, it is as efficient as any other locked transmission. The difference is when it locks up. So you have to look through the smoke and mirrors to find the real facts.
I hope someone can clear this all up for me.
Thanks
Tom
Pitbull,
The problem with this ? is that the only one that is really qualified to answer would be someone that has actually owned both transmissions without having unusual problems (ex. CC) to make you unbiased. Someday someones transmission might go out and they might decide to go a different route for the sake of change. That will be the person that can give a unbiased opinion and frankly that is who's opinion I and many others would really love to hear.
However I will give you something to chew on that may or may not help. Remember that I am strictly going by how each company advertises their products. By now everyone knows that ATS advertises a stronger lock-up with less fluid coupling and less line pressure while DTT stands behind fluid coupling to do the brunt of the work and higher line pressures to hold the clutches tight. Keep in mind that bothh company obviously do extensive mods internally like update the clutch packs, seals, etc. etc. etc. Now ask yourself this, which trans would run cooler... ... ..... I think it is safe to say ATS. How much though I don't know... ... I'm sure someone will say. Now lets look at fluid coupling... ... . besides the break-down of oil I think it is safe to say that a there is less wear on a transmissions parts while using fluid coupling rather than the lock-up. But since the ATS advertises a stronger lock-up, make your own assumptions. As for DTT having higher line pressures I say this... ... . maybe the Triple-lock TC doesn't need the high line pressures but what about the other clutch packs. Is this how they make their transmission's able to shift locked to locked, by allowing the other clutch packs to slip. Sorry but common sense tells me that something has to give when shifting locked to locked or things will break. And last look at price. Seems DTT is considerably cheaper by what I have seen others post.
Now I have no data to back any of this up and I have never called ATS so I am strictly going by each companies ads as most consumers would. But if I were spending 3 to 4 thousand on a transmission as of right now I would go with DTT without a doubt. Now this isn't to say that ATS won't prove to be the better trans in the future. But as of right now I would say DTT is by far the more proven transmission AT THIS TIME.
Just thought I would throw this out for others to chew on and get some feedback too. What do ya think? Oo. Oo. Oo. Oo. Oo.
The problem with this ? is that the only one that is really qualified to answer would be someone that has actually owned both transmissions without having unusual problems (ex. CC) to make you unbiased. Someday someones transmission might go out and they might decide to go a different route for the sake of change. That will be the person that can give a unbiased opinion and frankly that is who's opinion I and many others would really love to hear.
However I will give you something to chew on that may or may not help. Remember that I am strictly going by how each company advertises their products. By now everyone knows that ATS advertises a stronger lock-up with less fluid coupling and less line pressure while DTT stands behind fluid coupling to do the brunt of the work and higher line pressures to hold the clutches tight. Keep in mind that bothh company obviously do extensive mods internally like update the clutch packs, seals, etc. etc. etc. Now ask yourself this, which trans would run cooler... ... ..... I think it is safe to say ATS. How much though I don't know... ... I'm sure someone will say. Now lets look at fluid coupling... ... . besides the break-down of oil I think it is safe to say that a there is less wear on a transmissions parts while using fluid coupling rather than the lock-up. But since the ATS advertises a stronger lock-up, make your own assumptions. As for DTT having higher line pressures I say this... ... . maybe the Triple-lock TC doesn't need the high line pressures but what about the other clutch packs. Is this how they make their transmission's able to shift locked to locked, by allowing the other clutch packs to slip. Sorry but common sense tells me that something has to give when shifting locked to locked or things will break. And last look at price. Seems DTT is considerably cheaper by what I have seen others post.
Now I have no data to back any of this up and I have never called ATS so I am strictly going by each companies ads as most consumers would. But if I were spending 3 to 4 thousand on a transmission as of right now I would go with DTT without a doubt. Now this isn't to say that ATS won't prove to be the better trans in the future. But as of right now I would say DTT is by far the more proven transmission AT THIS TIME.
Just thought I would throw this out for others to chew on and get some feedback too. What do ya think? Oo. Oo. Oo. Oo. Oo.
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