Industrial Injection Phat Shaft 66 Turbo

[Cooker]

I'd expect a SPS62 to support 800 on nitrous.

I don't this is impossible but maybe a little out of reach.



Lenny at Dynomite Diesel may be a good one to ask about a 62 making 800HP with nitrous. Although he was working with an HTB2 so there are slight differences.

 

[BradyWilliams]

Andy you should have no problems with nitrous on that truck. The turbo will deliver air if you have a intake large enough to allow it to make air. Also cooker there are more than slight differences in the turbos you are referring to. Thanks

 

[Forrest Nearing]

give it to me straight... how's that sps66-14 gonna drive in my quad/short 2wd 12v auto



stage 3 EH'd 370's, built auto (going to spec the converter around the 66!!!), 3. 54's



it'll never see a trailer, but it WILL see 10,000ft for a couple weeks every year... just keep the revs up at that altitude? :-laf

 

[DBraunig]

Hey Forrest,



with any luck my SPS66 will be here by the weekend . I'll let you know how it acts on a 4x4 daily driver. I run a similar injector, always empty about a 1000ft around here. i can't wait to try it out



Dave

 

[Forrest Nearing]

interested to hear the results! couldn't find a lot of 12v info when I ordered it, but I want big numbers, and I got in on a good price, so I dove in



I live at 300ft... shouldn't be too bad, I'm just wondering how bad it'll be up in the mountains (I'm sure the rest of the year will make up for any drivability issues I get for those couple/few weeks)

 

[BradyWilliams]

The SPS66/80 is a great turbo for making hp. There have been some transmission builders doing great things for those that have a 66. The one company I can tell you about is Four Wheelers Unlimited in the Denver area. They say that they can ensure no surge. I think that is why some times people have no problems. But if you are competing you will need a SPS66. Our Silver Bullet is a step up in air also. We are doing MAX testing on our Silver Bullet right now. Thanks

 

[Forrest Nearing]

is that the diplomatic way of saying "you'll be fine at 300ft, but at 10,000? yeah, get a loose converter!!!" :-laf

 

[Hohn]

I don't this is impossible but maybe a little out of reach.

Lenny at Dynomite Diesel may be a good one to ask about a 62 making 800HP with nitrous. Although he was working with an HTB2 so there are slight differences.

Jetpilot did 847 with a B1 on the squeeze, and that's only a 62-size compressor, so that's what I based my comment on.

 

[Cooker]

Jetpilot did 847 with a B1 on the squeeze, and that's only a 62-size compressor, so that's what I based my comment on.

Hmmmm..... Interesting. Where all B1's 62mm comp wheels? There was so many different models I wasn't sure what was what.

 

[Forrest Nearing]

just to reitterate what has been stated before in this thread (I'm sure, I haven't read the whole thing)



inducer size doesn't mean much... it obviously means something, but you could have a 62mm wheel outflow a 66mm wheel... doesn't mean the surge line or pressure ratios would be right, but it could flow as much or more...



there's so much more to compressor wheel design than major and inducer diameter it makes my head spin

 

[Jetpilot]

Our Silver Bullet is a step up in air also. We are doing MAX testing on our Silver Bullet right now. Thanks

Guys I installed one of II's new Silver Bullet trubos about a week ago on my 02 truck. So far this turbo is nothing short of impressive. As many of you know the SPS66 has a surging issue on the 2nd gen automatic trucks when towing..... Well so far this turbo has not exhibited any of the surging that the SPS66 does. Spoolup (which is very subjective) is comperable to by Steroid B-1 which is a much smaller turbo. Max egt's are reduced from the the Steroid B-1 as well by over 150*-200*. I hope to dyno the truck sometime this month to try and get a good HP comparison for everyone.



Doug Smith

 

[Hohn]

just to reitterate what has been stated before in this thread (I'm sure, I haven't read the whole thing)

inducer size doesn't mean much... it obviously means something, but you could have a 62mm wheel outflow a 66mm wheel... doesn't mean the surge line or pressure ratios would be right, but it could flow as much or more...

there's so much more to compressor wheel design than major and inducer diameter it makes my head spin

True. A more aggressive blade angle will make a given diameter flow more.

But assuming identical compressor designs, the bigger inducer's gonna grab a lot more air with each revolution.

There's not going to be *that* much difference in blade design because you still have the same surge and PR requirements because it's going on the same engine. A smallish, low RPM engine needs higher PRs to get the air into the engine, which only magnifies the problem.

The B1s were known for flowing a lot of air for the smallish compressor. The newer BW wheels can be even more aggressive.

Years ago a "full B1" was a laggy, barely streetable turbo that would still get toasty at 500+hp. Now we have a SPS62 that flows more, cools better, and spools better (or so it would seem).

Methinks the B1 is now a relic of "back in the day". Once upon a time, people were actually running H2Es as singles. How many hybrid H2Es are out there now? They're old tech.

These new singles are giving twins a run for the money when paired with nitrous. Maybe not for towing or sustained HP, for a short blast-- the single on spray looks pretty appealing.

jmo

 

[Forrest Nearing]

I'm affraid by the time I get it on the truck, it'll be old tech! :{ :-laf

 

[rivercat]

Hmmmm..... Interesting. Where all B1's 62mm comp wheels? There was so many different models I wasn't sure what was what.

Surely the B1 seroid has a bigger wheel ?

 

[Jetpilot]

Surely the B1 seroid has a bigger wheel ?

The Steroid B-1 compressor wheel is an odd size..... Around 63 mm.



Doug

 

[BradyWilliams]

Super Phat Shaft 66

You know we are always trying to improve our turbos. We still show that a SPS66/80 is doing a great job for people. We have made a nice increase with our Silver Bullet and it looks to be able to make the 800hp range. It is very driveable and the comp. surging shows to be very minimal. There have been many that say they would like a 71mm comp wheel. We can do this change but I will say this, you may see a little more surging with the bigger wheel. This is why we don't put that comb. in our product line. Silver Bullets make a VERY impressive amount of air. It's all about turbine speed. If you are interested give us a call. Thanks

 

[SpicyJam]

I installed my Silver Bullet on my truck this past weekend, all I have to say is WOW... ... ... ... again thanks Brady. I have zero surge, spools great for me and I will have some dyno numbers soon. That turbo is one of the best singles for street driving I have ever ran across.

Later Jim.

 

[Will Manchester]

I installed my Silver Bullet on my truck this past weekend, all I have to say is WOW... ... ... ... again thanks Brady. I have zero surge, spools great for me and I will have some dyno numbers soon. That turbo is one of the best singles for street driving I have ever ran across.

Later Jim.

Jim, would love to hear a comparison between other tubo's you have tried on your truck. If memory serves, you were running a stock HX35 not to long ago right? How is the overall drivability and spoolup, EGT's, smoke control, etc?

 

[SpicyJam]

Jim, would love to hear a comparison between other tubo's you have tried on your truck. If memory serves, you were running a stock HX35 not to long ago right? How is the overall drivability and spoolup, EGT's, smoke control, etc?

Turbo's I have played with. On my truck alone I have had of course the stock HX35, HX35/14 and a PDR 40. Turbo's I have played with on other trucks B1/HT3B compunds, and PDR40/HT3B and a SPS64/14, and a Dodgezilla.

As far as driveabilty it is working real well. I have 550 miles on it so far, smoke is very easily controlled with the right foot, since I have a stick I can drive it without smoking at all... ... ..... or I can make a huge mess. Crusing speed 70 - 75mph the EGT's vary meaning since I have no load on the turbo the cruise boost is 3 to 5psi... so EGT's vary from 550 to 900 while running down the road empty. There is no surge, I can however bark it on a hard run between shifts. Because I was use to smaller turbos on my truck I miss the quick spool up of the little 35, it would snap my head back. Now this one lights at around 1800 rpm for me, not like the 1400 of the HX, and it instantly heads to 50+ psi. With the size injectors I have I am still a little warmer than I would like to be. With box off the EGT's take a little while to hit 1300 but they can at full boost and matted to the floor push the EGT's past 1500. With the box on and mash the go pedal the needle on the pyro gauge does not go as fast to 1500 as it did before but it does get there. Smoke is a haze at WOT with just injectors, box on little more than a haze going on but not as bad with my poor HX.

I did fill up today to see what kind of milage I would get with this set up. After some hard runs on the interstate and some screwing around I still ended up with 17. 7 for milage. I would guess as in the past as soon as it gets warmer out milage will go back up. Over all it feels like I have a 40 and acts like the set of 40/3B twins, only it whistles all the time... ... ... ... ... ... hope that helps. Jim. I will add more when I get a little more use to it, I am still in awe over this one.

 

[Will Manchester]

Great review Jim!



I've been waiting to hear from someone that has actually had an HX40 on their truck and upgraded to one of these new 66mm turbos. Spoolup and drivability is so subjective - everyone has a different tolerance. I have an HX40 - very drivable, but like you say just doesn’t have the bottom end kick like the little HX35, but I can live with that. My problem is the 40 doesn’t deliver quite enough air to burn the fuel I have with my TST turned off! This sounds like what I've been waiting for: a turbo with the driving manners of a HX40 and have the power of compounds without all tuning issues, leaks, and maintenance!



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