It happen to ME

[TCDiesel]

I pump 70 Gallons of MN 5% Bio-diesel (Its mandatory in MN on all retail sales) Auxiliary Tank. We moved the Tank (Empty) form the 2003 to the 2013. it immediately plugged the Zinga Filter(s) NOT 1oz made it By, it stop it so well I thought the Pump gears were destroyed. I demanded the Tank be probe Immediately the station complied, No water was found BUT their was sediment's in the sample, This fill was done at 7:00am, what happens is the water will pool up over night and be suck up whole when the pocket move to the suction tube. 1/2 days Labor $350. 00 wasted in Fuel $700. 00 in New Pump/Nozzle Counter



MN blue pump the Tank try (My Tank) and pulled the sample form station Tank. (Awesome company)



Just for (SAG) spun on some popular filters NONE plugged like the Zinga or the other Aqua-sorb filter I tried.



If this fuel would have made into the factory Tank it would have been $1,000. 00s in repairs ($8-$10K)



All this contaminated fuel made it by the station pump filter's, They are NOT Aqua-sorb filters , Particulate filter only.



If you look closely you will see the reflection of the filter head removing any guest of sample origin.



I generally watch the fuel as its being pump into the tank ,I was distracted looking for leaks form moving the Tank when I pull the Nozzle up and looked it was to late I STOP but 67 gallons were in ,the Tank Holds 93.

 

[JFought]

wow. . .

 

[Prairie Dog]

That's nasty looking.
I know where you can get a couple of reman injectors if you end up needing them. :-laf

 

[MAshley]

So who paid the repair bill?

 

[TCDiesel]

Me at this point... . they have hinted (X station) that they will replace the Fuel . I'm very happy that system I had in place stop the contaminated fuel form being pump into the factory Tank... I hope that the 2013 fuel stiffer in the auxiliary filter detect works..... and give warning before shutdown, that's allot hope,,,,, this whole episode just strengthen My faith in Bypass or Auxiliary filtering is the only possibility of stopping this type of contamination, Direct injection filtering helps But I am sure it would have allowed X % of the contaminate fuel to enter the HPCR system, perhaps costing $1000 in repairs.

 

[Prairie Dog]

Did they at least stop selling the fuel after that?

 

[TCDiesel]

Did they at least stop selling the fuel after that?

NO... I believe I pull the entire pocket of contaminates, Just received the call form Chemist ,Detergents and water... . Hmmm this leads Me to believe some transport clean the Inside of Transport tank ( when I was Running Bio-Clean we did this all the time) and it was drop into the station tank, sloppy cleaning probably after some type of repair to the transport.



Never fill truck when transports are Dumping, Go to the driver and ask if Dumping Diesel... You guys would POOP if you saw the sediments pull form the bottom of station Tank sample. . You could see it with eyes... . ugh...

 

[Mikey-KE7LBB]

Never fill truck when transports are Dumping, Go to the driver and ask if Dumping Diesel... You guys would POOP if you saw the sediments pull form the bottom of station Tank sample. . You could see it with eyes... . ugh...

I asked a driver one time and was told that there wasn't a chance in he'll that diesel fuel could possibly have any water, nor could delivering fuel stir up sediment in the tank... BS!! At that time, I was operating a plant that processed natural gas liquids that were far lighter than diesel and still contained a surprising percentage of emulsified water!!



Filters are our friends

 

[BIGNASTY]

NO... I believe I pull the entire pocket of contaminates, Just received the call form Chemist ,Detergents and water... . Hmmm this leads Me to believe some transport clean the Inside of Transport tank ( when I was Running Bio-Clean we did this all the time) and it was drop into the station tank, sloppy cleaning probably after some type of repair to the transport.



Never fill truck when transports are Dumping, Go to the driver and ask if Dumping Diesel... You guys would POOP if you saw the sediments pull form the bottom of station Tank sample. . You could see it with eyes... . ugh...

Could have been from a repair but if that was the case how would there still be product of ANY KIND in the tank, maybe if it was a repair to only 1 compartment and they washed the entire tank. My guess would be that they had a product change from the last load hauled to another that wasn't compatible with the previous load and left wash in the tank. When I hauled fuel to different commercial sites I had to be VERY careful with product contams some of which went to airports or Military sites you can always pull over with a truck but when your 30k in the air pulling to the shoulder isn't much of an option. I would guess and that's all anyone is going to do at this point cause no one want to be the one the F up in this, I would blame the DRIVER for the problem. 1 he should have MADE sure that no liquid of ANY KIND was in the tank, its not hard to climb up on top to take a look in the hole and there are compartment lights that show product retain meaning that there is at least 5 gal of SOME KIND of liquid in each compartment that has the retain light on. Not all drivers are the same and most don't care, if the product fits in the tank AWAY IT GOES. One way they could find out was to take the BOL gross and net product load and compare it to the Veeder Root at the station and see if a FEW EXTRA GALLONS were dropped in the tank that wasn't loaded in the truck at the rack. This is what ALLWAY PO me when I was a driver and driver trainer they pay a REALLY good wage for us to do our job and do it correctly but some just wont do it. I feel that you can tell a mans character by how he does his job when he thinks no one is looking. As a driver trainer it was part of my job to preform Field Observations on drivers, they all do it right when your there and they know it. I use to get dressed up like a bum asking for money at the station and go lay down and watch them drop if they did it ok FINE, if not FIRE THE S. O. B. I have no use for a guy that does this or takes a risk of leaving a crater in the gas station because he's a FRIGGING BUM.



Sorry for the extra bit here but it P me Off when you pay big money for good product and some BUTT head F's you out of it.



BIG

 

[mwilson]

Could have been from a repair but if that was the case how would there still be product of ANY KIND in the tank, maybe if it was a repair to only 1 compartment and they washed the entire tank. My guess would be that they had a product change from the last load hauled to another that wasn't compatible with the previous load and left wash in the tank. When I hauled fuel to different commercial sites I had to be VERY careful with product contams some of which went to airports or Military sites you can always pull over with a truck but when your 30k in the air pulling to the shoulder isn't much of an option. I would guess and that's all anyone is going to do at this point cause no one want to be the one the F up in this, I would blame the DRIVER for the problem. 1 he should have MADE sure that no liquid of ANY KIND was in the tank, its not hard to climb up on top to take a look in the hole and there are compartment lights that show product retain meaning that there is at least 5 gal of SOME KIND of liquid in each compartment that has the retain light on. Not all drivers are the same and most don't care, if the product fits in the tank AWAY IT GOES. One way they could find out was to take the BOL gross and net product load and compare it to the Veeder Root at the station and see if a FEW EXTRA GALLONS were dropped in the tank that wasn't loaded in the truck at the rack. This is what ALLWAY PO me when I was a driver and driver trainer they pay a REALLY good wage for us to do our job and do it correctly but some just wont do it. I feel that you can tell a mans character by how he does his job when he thinks no one is looking. As a driver trainer it was part of my job to preform Field Observations on drivers, they all do it right when your there and they know it. I use to get dressed up like a bum asking for money at the station and go lay down and watch them drop if they did it ok FINE, if not FIRE THE S. O. B. I have no use for a guy that does this or takes a risk of leaving a crater in the gas station because he's a FRIGGING BUM.



Sorry for the extra bit here but it P me Off when you pay big money for good product and some BUTT head F's you out of it.



BIG

That's one big reason that I won't drive with chemicals anymore, drop and hook is a really bad idea when the idiot that had the tanker before you didn't do his job.

I want my truck and trailer, then I know everything is flushed and closed like it is supposed to be.



I hated asphalt tankers, if the drone before you left the hatch open for any length of time while it was raining the risk of getting hurt for the next guy was almost a certainty.

A couple of gallons of water in the bottom turns to steam when covered with hot asphalt while loading. You are loading in the dark, you can't see. The guy running the boom is behind a plexi-glas shield so that he won't get hurt waiting for your signal to stop the flow when the tanker is full. Your trying to see down in there though the fog and heat of the asphalt so you have to stand right beside the hatch. The only warning you get is the tanker will start to vibrate, at that point you better jump because it is all coming back out the hatch. Several cases of burns, broken legs, as a result of a steam eruption. When you see the big streaks of tar and goo on the side of an asphalt tanker there is a very good chance that it was a result of hot asphalt over water.



When it was anounced that we would be sharing a hydrgen peroxide trailer I said "Enough"... ... that stuff is nasty in high strength. Unstable enough that the lines have to cleared with Nitrogen...



No thanks...



Mike.

 

[BIGNASTY]

That's one big reason that I won't drive with chemicals anymore, drop and hook is a really bad idea when the idiot that had the tanker before you didn't do his job.
I want my truck and trailer, then I know everything is flushed and closed like it is supposed to be.

I hated asphalt tankers, if the drone before you left the hatch open for any length of time while it was raining the risk of getting hurt for the next guy was almost a certainty.
A couple of gallons of water in the bottom turns to steam when covered with hot asphalt while loading. You are loading in the dark, you can't see. The guy running the boom is behind a plexi-glas shield so that he won't get hurt waiting for your signal to stop the flow when the tanker is full. Your trying to see down in there though the fog and heat of the asphalt so you have to stand right beside the hatch. The only warning you get is the tanker will start to vibrate, at that point you better jump because it is all coming back out the hatch. Several cases of burns, broken legs, as a result of a steam eruption. When you see the big streaks of tar and goo on the side of an asphalt tanker there is a very good chance that it was a result of hot asphalt over water.

When it was anounced that we would be sharing a hydrgen peroxide trailer I said "Enough"... ... that stuff is nasty in high strength. Unstable enough that the lines have to cleared with Nitrogen...

No thanks...

Mike.

One of the reasons that my night partner and I jumped on the Commercial Accounts Drops. We had Designated trailers for AV Gas, jet and others they had pin locks that only we and A mechanic had the key for.

I drew the line at hauling Inhalant Hazards, some of the things that they need in the refinery to process some things arnt so good for the lungs

 

[Wygate]

That fuel looks just like the stuff that did my 09 in. 11 bay interstate truck stop, I have had that same sample now for more than 3 year's,
Still has not stratified!!! Rust and a few drops of water in the bottom, rest as milky as the day it was pulled from my truck.

Hey big, have I told you that you are my hero yet today?

 

[BIGNASTY]

That fuel looks just like the stuff that did my 09 in. 11 bay interstate truck stop, I have had that same sample now for more than 3 year's,
Still has not stratified!!! Rust and a few drops of water in the bottom, rest as milky as the day it was pulled from my truck.

Hey big, have I told you that you are my hero yet today?

For What???

 

[jgillott]

I had this trouble Jan of 2011 at a BP station on Front Street in Binghamton NY. Thankfully, my filters did what they were supposed to. I have some pictures somewhere that I'll have to find. The size of the particles that came out of that tank were amazing.

 

[Wygate]

Hey big it was for work ethics, very few and far between!

 

[BIGNASTY]

Hey big it was for work ethics, very few and far between!

Wygate they gave me a chance of a LIFETIME to make as much money as I did AS A TRUCK DRIVER!!!! how could I do anything else but DO WHAT THEY WANTED and HOW THEY WANTED IT DONE??? I just don't get some folks there were guys that cut corners every chance they got, and for what??? we weren't paid by the load and they didn't really care how long it took to get the fuel in the RIGHT TANK at the RIGHT STATION within reason of course. AND STILL some would try to FIGHT the system.



That's why all the Major Oil companies got rid of their drivers (BP just sold to Tesoro and still have some west coast drivers but I venture to say it wont be long and they will be gone also) Major oil wants to produce the product have the load facilities to put it on Carrier trucks and when it leaves the GATE ITS NOT OUR PROBLEM ANY LONGER!!! Let someone else deal with the wages, benefits, union goon's, truck payments, insurance, repair and when the Carrier drivers screw up the load THEY PAY THE BUCKS TO FIX THE PROBLEM.



Just good business to me!!!



I CAN SEE THIS AND I RIDE A FRIGGING MULE FOR CHRIST SAKE!!! :-laf