K&N doesn't stop dirt!!!

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Ok, ya'll got me worried with all this talk, as I want my Cummins to last a long time. I have the square factory replacement filter. I went out to check it again. Everything looked clean, but I did get a little bit of black on my finger when I ran it around the turbine blade area. Awhile back some nimrod at K&N told me I could use white lithium grease when I called them up because I couldn't find replacement sealing grease. Well I discovered he was wrong because I found traces of that crap in the intake hose shortly after that. I did find a suitable replacement grease to seal it with finally. I'm thinking maybe this black residue I'm finding might have been from the lithium sealing grease. #ad
I'm starting to teeter towards thinking I need to yank the K&N and put the paper back in #ad

 

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TXRam,
I think you should buy a new filter minder as yours is probably broken! #ad

Lots of folks have never seen theirs move... ... ... .




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Nope, not broken. Just sucking lots of air - I get 40psi boost with my set-up. Never moved before BOMBing. And I've seen 3 trucks with just 275's pulling it down the same as mine.

Pulled the air horn out from between the filter box and fender. Results - filter minder did not move with several WOT runs (would drop to 65% prior to removal), EGTs running lower at cruise and WOT (max WOT w/ PE on #3 was 1400, highest I've seen since removal is 1300 on 0-90 WOT run), and I can hear a difference. I'll make some more WOT runs this afternoon in the heat of the day.

 

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TXRam,
Lots of guys drill holes in the bottom of the air box to free things up some more.
My filter minder moves a bit on occasion and I get about 35# boost maximum.
That Joe guy seems to know his stuff! "Warm air is better than no air. "

 

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I have the K&N replacement for the stock filter on my 98. 5. After about 10K miles of road driving, I had to take it through a field to clean up 2 miles of ribbon. (Ribbon around a Grass Track we just raced 500 motorcycles through) The dirt was about 3" deep and a very find dust. At times the cloud was so bad, I could not see behind me. This took about 3 hours of driving/idling in this extreme dust. I still can’t get all of the dust out of the inside! And this was with the windows up and recalculate AC on. The whole time I would cringe looking at the dust thinking that my K&N may be leaking. Got home (300 miles later, towing a 11,000 camper), drove to work all the next week (another 500 miles) and the following weekend pulled the filter and hose to check the turbo fins. NOTHING! Absolutely no dust on the turbo blades! K&N told me when I bought it, "if it leaks dirt, its because it was not sealed with the grease correctly. At that point I cleaned it, let it dry about 24 hours, re-oiled it, and its back in service!

 

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I was just contacted by Honeywell. They are the only company that has said they would consider developing a cone filter for the Psychotty Air.
This is FRAM... so it may not be acceptable to some folks. However, they seem interested.
I will call the company tomorrow and see what transpires.

EH

 

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Well let the debate continue! Just got back from a 4-wheeling trip with the jeep and towed it on my trailer for about 50 miles on a real dusty road. Also have 7k on the K&N filter, so yesterday I pulled the hose off the turbo and you wouldn't believe it!!CLEAN!
Mmmmmmmm K&N bad filters, don't thing so.

TXRam is right on about the black on the blades, it can get there for a lot of reasons.

Enough already, my $0. 02.

 

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Something else to consider is that if you get an oil coating inside the intercooler, it acts as an insulator and reduces its effectiveness. If anyone has gotten a dose of oil through the intake side for any reason, it might be worthwhile to take the intercooler off and degrease it. That's something pretty common on the Buick turbo cars that run K&N filters. Cleaning the intercooler on them is almost a maintenance item.

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99 3500 Reg Cab, Red, 2wd, 5spd, 4:10
(2) 87 GN's (Also turbo 6's)

 

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Got my new replacement K&N yesterday (conical, RE-0880). If anyone wants to buy it, email me. Brand new still in the wrapper, and I've got the snazzy red prefilter if you want that too, all nice & clean but not oiled yet (for buyer to oil as desired #ad
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Originally posted by Vaughn MacKenzie:
Got my new replacement K&N yesterday (conical, RE-0880). If anyone wants to buy it, email me. Brand new still in the wrapper, and I've got the snazzy red prefilter if you want that too, all nice & clean but not oiled yet (for buyer to oil as desired #ad
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Email sent.

 

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FYI while i was verifing there had not been any DC un authorized modifications and every thing was stock on my broken ISB before it was towed to dealer i checked the turbo compressor blades. They were black on the outside 1/2 of the blades... ... ... . Stock air filter & housing... . checked the duct >>> no dust>> checked the filter seal , looked ok, checked the upper & lower housing... filter was sealed and no trace of dust tracking . filter & truck 10k miles. . clean side of filter white as ivory (fresh ivory). . no singe of any perforations or tears, used magnafying glass. .

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I remember reading some time ago on the Holset website that it normal ot see some sooty type film on the turnine blades. If I remember right they said it's due to some blowby around the bearings.

 

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I have 35000 miles on my RE-0880, I cover it with a womans nylon knee-high stocking. I have taken this filter off every other week since installing it, and have never seen any trace of oil, grease or soot on the intake hose or impeller blades. With this (prefilter) the K&N filter looks brand new.

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96 2500 4x4 5spd 3. 54 grs,#10 TST plate,AFC spring kit,16 cm turbo,CUSTOM 4" exhaust, (turbo to tail),K&N RE-0880 filter,TST guages,370HP injectors,3800 rpm governor spring kit, Mcleod dual disc clutch(street),305/70r16 Goodyear Wrangler MT tires

 

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Well I must also have one of the defective RE-0880's,because mine isn't letting in any dirt. #ad
I now have 21,000mi on the truck,and this filter has been on since day #2,and the Psychotty housing has been on for 5,000mi. I periodically inspect the intake hose with a white surgical glove and I never find any trace dirt at all! I washed and re-oiled it once at 15,000mi and just inspected it during the oil change last week... CLEAN!

MikeB,I agree with the blow-by from the turbo bearing. I have also heard about that.

-Mike

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'00 2500QC 4x4, 6spd, LB, 3. 54LS, SLT, Dark Garnet/Agate, Smittybilt nerfs, DD stageII, S/S braided fuel lines, Psycotty Air, 2wd low, 3"pipe bomb, Isspro pyro/boost, BFG 285/75at, Jacobs ebrake

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I've had a K&N in my 99 VW Jetta TDI (diesel) for about 10K miles. No oil or dirt on the clean side of the filter. Lots of bugs, grass and other stuff in the bottom of the box. The car revs much easier with it.

I just installed an Amsoil filter in my 96 Dodge. I followed someones advice in the TDR forum and blotted op the excess oil. I took it for a ride and have not found any oil above the filter.

It seems a little faster off the line but I'm not hearing the turbine whine I was expecting. Time to find the silencer ring.

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I take my turbo intake hose off at every oil change and when I wash the engine in my truck. I run the RE-0880 conical filter with the pre-filter on mine. I have yet to see any oil residue or dirt on either the turbo vanes or in the hose itself. That is just my observation though. I have about 20000 miles on my filter now and I just took the filter off this weekend to pressure wash my engine and everything looked fine. Just my $. 02 worth of personal experience

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"Big Red" 1994 Ram 2500 Laramie SLT, 12 valve, 2WD, Auto. 139,000 miles. I am my own warranty station Ranch Hand steel brush guard, Scotty Air, silencer ring put back in(wifey said so), Flowmaster muffler, chrome turn down pipe out the side, Velvet ride shackles. My Truck Site

 

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Scott1,
Amsoil does not like to make conical shaped filters. Their material does not taper well.
They will custom make to your specs numerous other styles. Does your set up have to be conical? Can it be the same size on both ends? If it can, they should be able to make it that way.



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I installed a K&N filter in the air box about 100,000 miles ago. I've cleaned and oiled it 3 times. After reading all the threads lately I decided to check my turbo and intake hose. The hose was clean and my turbo only had a light film. No problem as far as I'm concerned. Who knows, the film may have come from the OEM paper elements I used the first 70,000 miles. Needless to say, I'm vary happy #ad
with my K&N filter.

 

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I installed a K&N in the stock box 30000 mi ago. Filter is checked and hose to turbo inlet is removed every 5000 mi to change oil filter. Each time I have wiped the inside of the hose and the turbo vanes with a old clean white cotton T-shirt. Have yet to get any dirt or oil on the cloth or show any signs of black dirt on the vanes. Mine is staying in! In regards to the fine dust up in the Pacific Northwest, the dust is leftover ash from Mt. St. Helens. I was living in Missoula Montana when it blew and we got 1/2" of it there (500+ mi away) Some of my friends who worked at Montana State U did some studies and found that the only chance you have in stopping most of the ash is with some form of oiled foam/gauze filter so the particles will stick to the oil. The only SURE way to stop all the ash is with a full oil bath air cleaner. I and many others found out the hard way, it ate the engine (rebuilt with less than 40000mi)out of my 76 Ford 4x4 in less than 6 mo. Good luck to everyone, Dave

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Dave Hauser, 96 3500 4x4 extended, auto 4:10 LSD, K&N, tow hooks, fog lights, custom front reciever hitch and mount for 8000 Ramsey winch, alum diamond plate box and running boards, Dodge dually mudflaps, tow 18' flatbed, 69 Vette, 89 HD FLHS

 

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I just got done pulling my turbo to install a 16 CM2 housing, I also at the same time installed 370 HP injectors making it nessary to pull the intake to get the injectors lines off. I have had the psycotty system in place now for almost 10,000 miles. The intake was spotless no dirt what so ever!!!!! #ad
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My filter on the other hand was real dirty too many dusty roads and bugs.

Thanks Scotty #ad
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97 2500 Club 4X4 3. 54, Forrest Green/Driftwood, LSD 5 speed, & Psychotty Air System, TST #11 all the way forward, 370 HP injectors, 16CM2 housing, AFC spring kit, Geno's Exhaust Blanket, TST EGT gauge & 0-60 boost gauge in A Pillar, Cat-be-gone, 4" Dynomax Bullet muffler, Crome 4" turn down, AmsOil Through out, Geno's trans filter kit, AmsOil Bypass system, Lund Winter front, Leer Cab Level Shell Driftwood , 255/85R16, Dyno'd 342 HP *NRA/USPSA member and proud of it*

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