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Knowing when to say when

I am sure this has been talked about here in the past.

But after having met a bunch of folks anddriven a ton of trucks I have developed a theory.



There seems to be five classes of truck owners.

(This holds true for powerjokes and durasmacks also. )



1. "Racer" The guy who is concerned with speed... ONLY. The racer has several places on his truck that are "not quite right". Duct tape tends to be seen in the engine compartment. Flex pipe makes up some of his ex. system.

The racer often does his own work, which is not allways a good thing for the truck.

A racers truck often has tires that shake violently past 60 MPH, though the racer is happy to show you 3500 RPM in overdrive. With tires shaking so bad you cant talk right, the racer begins to really beam as you pass 100.

Racers dont care about things like dowel pins doing swan dives into timing gears. He would use the hour of time needed to cure the issue for more important things... like thinning his mix for 2 more HP on the next dyno run.

A racers brakes are often of fantastic quality. Too bad the racer uses them to thier limits. Brakes usually pull or pulsate on a true racers truck.

All else but shine are sacrificed in the quest for the fastest 1/4 mile times, the highest dyno numbers.

The racers woman feels second to his truck.



2. "Puller" The guy who wants to pull something. Something HEAVY.

Pullers tend to be a pretty neat class of truck owner. The puller usually has things done for him, instead of wrenching it himself.

There tends not to be any flex pipe in his ex. system.

The puller gets his thrills by dusting big block V8's on hills. Listening to his turbo as he passes the screaming big block is better than relations with his wife...

Pullers can get crazy like racers. Some of them boast of loading 28,000 pounds on a truck with brakes designed to handle half of that. Though they have high horses, most pullers tend not to be concerned how fast it will go, or the 1/4 mile times.

Most pullers want thier trucks to last... and to last a long time.

Pullers, as a group, tend to be most in tune with the truck and the comfort and reliability of thier vehicle. All the bells and whistles can be found in pulling trucks.

The pullers woman can sometimes feel second to his truck.



3. "Worker" The worker bought his truck at the dealership. It works daily. He knows nothing about it, other than when it hits 90,000 miles, he trades it in and gets a new one. The worker does not concern himself with changing oil. He bought a diesel, because the gas jobs fell on thier face at 45,000 without an oil change... and the worker heard that diesels last a long time. With his maint. regime, you just dont touch the thing unless it will not start and run anymore. For the worker, the clanking otto does last longer. By 90k with the worker, the truck is pretty much played out.

Why should he care... he'll buy another one at 90,000.

The workers woman is not second to his truck, but more his business.



4. "Stocker" The stocker has some range. Often, the stocker can share some of the pullers traits. Stockers tend to believe OE is the way to go. Things are done at the dealership, or at home... either way, the stocker tends to maintain the truck pretty well. Stockers are most likely to keep thier rigs for a looonnnnng loooooonnnnnnnng time. They often follow the letter of the manufacturers law to the point of ignoring the benefits of synthetic oils, high flow air boxes/filters. With preference for what the dealership tells them. Few stockers worry about changing boost piping to the pump, killing a dowel pin... etc. Since the dealrship says there is no issue, then there is no issue.

Stockers often are represent the best used truck provider out there. Many Stockers trucks move on to become racers trucks, spending thier retirement years being flat-footed by speed-junkie racers.

Stockers wives like to ride in thier trucks. The stockers wife KNOWS she is second to his truck and she damn well better not get lipstick on the seat!



5. "Bling-Bling" (Bling: "shine", gaudy, too much chrome, gold teeth, huge gold chains, oversize chrome wheels, neon glowing under the truck, audio system that breaks windows, three televisions, 4,000 pounds of accessories on the truck... not one for performance or towing.

Now that you have a good idea of what bling means, I shall describe the bling bling truck owner)

The bling has no clue what is under the hood. He likes the way the truck looks and because the diesel was a 5,000 dollar option, he thought is must have been better, so he bought it. Nothing is too good for the bling's truck.

When the bling goes to home depot, he takes his hyundai. Thats because he rents the home depot truck to haul home his purchases. He would never think of using his truck as a... well... truck. That can scratch the bedliner, you see.

The blings truck has every dress up option you can think of on it.

Blings usually take the truck to the dealer for service. They dont open the hood unless it it time to polish the battery again.

The blings woman does not feel slighted by his truck. Mostly, because the blings "woman" is often named George, Gus, Mike, Tom, or Bruce and has as much interetht in the truck ath the bling himthelf.





Even though this is funny in parts, there is a lot of truth to it.

So many people seem to get caught up in the numbers game...

There is a little racer in all of us, but when you are slamming down huge money for nothing more than a number on the dyno, what good is it?

How much is too much?

Your truck busts out sideways in third gear, you cant floor it in 4th for the same reason. You TOAST mustangs, you can lug it to 1200 rpm on a steep hill with your 5th wheel attached and gain speed like an empty stocker. So how much do you need?



I am sure there are a lot of folks out there much more experienced than myself about this. However, after a lot of looking, poking around and driving many many trucks, I have come to a conclusion.



Trucks are a lot like audio equipment. You can get a ton of performance and quality beyond factory stock to a certain point for very little cost. Anything over that threshold begins to rise in cost way out of line with the gains you get.



A couple of rides in trucks with 5-600 HP dyno tickets made me realize that, while the power is like your first dirty back road experience with a cheerleader, it costs a huge amount. (So can some cheerleaders LOL!) Twins, boxes, huge ex. , transmission issues...

Sure these trucks are a sexual experience to drive, but they become pretty damned expensive. Also, the more stuff you do, the less reliable they get.



My question to all of you is: If you were to spec out a truck that was an everyday driver, how far do you think it goes before it starts to really nudge into reliability?
 
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Great post!! Pretty darn accurate if you ask me.



My personal opinion on reliable HP is right at the 300 RWHP threshold. I dont think engine wise you are hurting it by taking it to that level. Beyond that, well, you are killing the duty cycle. But it sure is fun getting there :D :D



Im running 315 rwhp with just the injectors and thats how mine gets driven 95% of the time for 40k miles a year. I am hoping that between the dyno runs of way more power added into the equation and a few runs against the powerjokes and maxipads I can still nail out 200k miles on the truck before having or wanting to tear down the engine.



We'll see!!
 
Not sure where I fall in the list so I guess I gotta make my own class.



6. "Tower" - This guy is bald, middle aged, cheap and likes to tow his trailer all over God's creation.

Tower's truck was probably bought new, but he plans to keep it until the body falls off. He doesn't believe in trashing a good truck so he won't use the truck to drag race or sled pulling. This guy's truck is mostly stock, but a little more power won't hurt nothing. Most or all maintenance is done at home with or without the help of a few trusted friends. Tower likes to show off by passing other vehicles who are towing trailers. Tower's spouse is usually second to the truck, but doesn't mind as long as she gets to go with her man to the ends of the earth.





Tweak that and add it to your list, if you like. :D



Doc
 
I do appreciate Doc

Tinker;

YOU don't know me, and i don't know, personally. But you just described ME to a "T" How ever I am NOT Bald, a little over middle aged and don't consider my self cheap, But DO as described in the rest of your post. {LOL}.



Doc-- I do enjoy reading your wit and many times you are SO Right On. When you were gone you were missed.



Marv.
 
I guess I'm a racer! Allbeit not a very fast one anymore (compared to a lot of the people on here who are really serious about it).



I bought my pickup because it's a sleeper. The punks who think their ricer is fast get a new view on life through a smoke screen! The guy w/ the 6" lift and 35's on the PSD learns that even though his looks cooler then my "beat up green Dodge", his girl STILL wants to be riding with me cause I took him by 6 lenghts in the 1/4. The retired guy with his "crisis car" of a Corvette learns that while age and experience might usually win out over youth and ignorance, when it comes to HP vs. torque, 950 ft-lbf beats 350 FWHP every time!



I guess I'm one of those guys caught up in the numbers game. I like it when people ask how fast it is? "Under 14's" and then the reply of "that's not fast!" is retorted with "can your car do that weighing 8000 lbs?" I'm proud to say I've done all but two things on my pickup by myself, and knock on wood, even with over 450 RWHP it's probably more reliable now then it was for the 63,000 miles when it was my Grandpa's (a "Tower" as Doc would call him).



Yeah, the last 30 RWHP have come at a fairly high expense, but I don't have any other responsibilities. All my payments are made on time, I'm not in any debt other then for school (lets not discuss that), and I drive what I consider to be one of the coolest rigs I've ever ridden in. People ask me "How do you like your Dodge?" All I can say is, "Like? I don't like a thing about it! I LOVE THIS PICKUP!!" It's my dream ride... reliable, powererful, economic (17 MPG is economic at 450 RWHP), and it's what I like to do (wrench on things).



Call me what you want, and tell me I'm waisting my money... that's fine, we can line up any day of the week and see who's truck is faster! ;) :p :D :cool:



Josh
 
1sand0s - enjoyed reading through your post and the replies that followed it.



I think it's ovbious that there are many people on the TDR that devote most or all of their spare time and money to their trucks. And I'll be the first to say that there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. I believe that a man could spend his money on worse things. But I have seen on here on more than one account those people that borrow $5,000 from the bank just to have bragging rights. Now that is sad. I've never been in debt in my life and I believe that if a man has to take out loans from a bank to bragg to his buddies about how much power his truck has - then that's going to far.



I'll probably never see 300 flywheel horsepower much less 300 RWHP, but I bought my truck for different reasons than many people on here did. I bought mine to be dependable on the road and to last me until I had enough money to buy a new one - if I ever wanted to. I'm concerned with reliability as number one and I have no problem if some punk in a Civic can dust me - I'll be running at 400,000 and he won't. An in my opinion, I think longevity means a lot more than performance. But again, people buy these trucks for different reasons, but I'd be willing to bet that no one on here needs 500 HP in their Dodge. But it's what they love to do and I support them for it - as long as their kids aren't eating Raman noodles because of it.
 
Great thread. I must say I don't really fit into any of the aforementioned categories. I'm somewhere between a "stocker" and a "Tower". I don't plan to make any power/torque increases. I live by these words (not only when it comes to my truck, but life in general): simplicity, maintainability, reliability, and durability. The modifications I have made to my truck all support one or more of those goals. I don't baby the truck as far as using the bed or going off-road, but I'm not abusive either. I'm completely obsessed with the truck, and my wife is sure she's in second place. I neither tow nor haul anything, but I would certainly do so if something worth towing/hauling came along. I read this site multiple times a day, and spend hours reading books and research papers on Diesel engines.



I like to think of myself as just a simple "Dieselhead".
 
7. "Tightwad" - This guy is cheap, possibly technically oriented, and likes to get the maximum bang for the buck out of his truck.



The tightwad bought his truck because he liked the idea of investing his hard-earned $$$ in a truck that would last a looonng time, give the best possible economy vs payload capabilities, and provide good performance to boot.



The tightwad is intrigued by the ability to use the same truck for multiple purposes, and may BOMB the truck to enhance this multi-role character. He loves being able to get good mileage driving the truck to work during the week, and being able to pull a big honkin' trailer on weekends with ease. He gets excited at the prospect of using the same truck as a motor home with a suitable camper loaded on, or for towing an RV.



Like a stocker, he tends to take good care of his truck and not do many things to it that will reduce its value or longevity. However, much of his upkeep work is geared toward avoiding $$$ for repairs down the road, rather than the sheer joy of doing it himself. Looking at the numbers, he realizes some products like synthetic oil and additives may have superior properties but doesn't see enough advantage from their use to justify the cost. He likes the ability to use alternative fuels in a crunch, may never need to but if he HAS to the potential is there.



The tightwad drives his truck a LOT and drives his family all over the place in it at the slightest excuse, as it is the cheapest vehicle to operate per mile he has. Tightwads are horrible people to buy a vehicle from though, and dealers lock the door when they see them coming in to buy a new truck.



Most importantly, the tightwad is very good at convincing himself he is actually saving money every time he spends a $ on his truck, as a result he is happy with his truck much longer than the average driver. :D :p
 
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WELL, DOC, I may not know where I am on the line-up either. "BUT", "I know that I am not a BLING" I have different interethts":D :eek: :--)
 
Maybe I can send some "Bling Bling" pics here. . this thing is giving me a headache trying to get the pics, but here goes again:



-Chris-
 
8. "Lover" - This guy loves diesel trucks, new ones, old ones, big ones, and little ones. He is mechanically orientated so therefore does most maintenance and small repairs himself.



The lover bought his truck because cars and gasoline powered trucks don't excite him very much. Also, the lover will crane his neck to look at other diesel truck's as they go past him. He admits to admiring other "brand's" of truck's but also knows where his heart belongs.



The lover is a member of a couple of diesel webpage's and lurks in "other site's" belonging to "other brand's". He performs such acts because those sites are dedicated to his love, diesel trucks.



Like stocker's and tightwad's, the lover takes good care of his truck. He does maintenance on schedule and feels good after doing it. The lover may add certain upgrades like extra capacity pans, exhausts, intakes, or gages but he shy's away from "major" upgrades such as fueling boxes or injectors because he doesn't have enough in depth knowledge to be his own warranty station, nor can he afford to pay dealer's for costly repairs.



The lover will chat about diesel truck's for hour's on end to anyone who's interested. He is pretty knowledgeable about his personal truck and knows more about the "other brand's" than most of those who drive them.



Unlike the tightwad, the lover has given up on trying to convince himself he is saving money when he purchases gizmo's and gadgets. He knows he does not need them but they satisfy his urges and prevent him from being a "stocker".



Finally, The lover swears he loves his truck and and is going to keep it forever. However, the reality is the lover rarely keeps a truck more than 3 years. Now that I think about it maybe the lover really is a "player" after all :D .
 
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