2nd Gen Non-Engine/Transmission Load Range E and a Tire Plug

[mwilson]

Not a fan of any repairs being on a steer tire running at highway speeds. maybe it is a carry over from my trucking days, but I won't do it on any vehicle.

I wanted to add that my reluctance to run any repaired tire on a steer position is because I almost dumped an 18 wheeler one morning.

2 brand new steer tires had just been mounted on my truck the day before, I hauled wood all that day and took a load early the next morning to the mill down a very nasty 2 lane road.



Delivered and was coming back up the I-95 empty about 70mph when the left front steer blew. I was and still am a pretty good driver and it took both lanes including the breakdown lane to get that thing under control and stopped.



If that tire had blown loaded there is no way I could have kept it in the road, absolutely no way.



It was back in the tube days, they must have pinched the tube.



The guy behind me that stopped could not believe that I got it stopped without wrecking it.



After that I mounted my own damn steer tires.



From that day on, no repaired tires on front. Period.



It left a mark... ...



Mike.

 

[NIsaacs]

Just curious, did you have the front axle brakes disabled on that truck? Also, did it have power steering or if not, the center point steering?



Nick

 

[HCannon]

This is what I call a good discussion on the plug. Everyone is being real, not saying band and being against the law to use them. As you might guess, I use them with no problem. Any time you have to patch a tire you will be taking from it.

 

[mwilson]

Just curious, did you have the front axle brakes disabled on that truck? Also, did it have power steering or if not, the center point steering?



Nick

Front brakes were disabled, we never ran front brakes up here until forced to in the '80s.

Don't want to be backing down an icy hill loaded with the steers locking up in case you didn't grab the trailer brake quite fast enough.



It was a 1973 GMC 9500 with a very loud 8V-71 Detroit, it had Saginaw power steering as I recall with the cylinder under the drag link.



Center point steering was almost unheard of up here.



Drove a 1970 White that had the Air-O-Matic steering assist. About 3 cycles of the steering would snap the maxi brakes on, then you had to build the air back up so you could go again..... :-laf



Beat nothing at all, barely.



Mike.

 

[HCannon]

And may everyone have a great Thanksgiving!! I know mine is going to be, all my Kids and all the Grands are going to be here.

 

[NIsaacs]

At least ya had maxi's, some of the old stuff didn't I hated the IHC hand valves, they were spring loaded return so you had to hold them, sometimes you didn't have enough hands. The Midland would stay where you set them.



Nick

 

[HHhuntitall]

I wanted to add that my reluctance to run any repaired tire on a steer position is because I almost dumped an 18 wheeler one morning.

2 brand new steer tires had just been mounted on my truck the day before, I hauled wood all that day and took a load early the next morning to the mill down a very nasty 2 lane road.



Delivered and was coming back up the I-95 empty about 70mph when the left front steer blew. I was and still am a pretty good driver and it took both lanes including the breakdown lane to get that thing under control and stopped.



If that tire had blown loaded there is no way I could have kept it in the road, absolutely no way.



It was back in the tube days, they must have pinched the tube.



The guy behind me that stopped could not believe that I got it stopped without wrecking it.



After that I mounted my own damn steer tires.



From that day on, no repaired tires on front. Period.



It left a mark... ...



Mike.

Left a mark? On your mind, on the road, or in your undies? :-laf



I blew a front right on my 359 in '96 while on grain harvest, just W of Leoti, KS. Between those small towns, the grain harvest is their life blood. We could meet a trooper running 85mph, and he'd just flash his lights and keep on going. On one of the return trips from the elevator hauling wheat, I saw a piece of metal on the road, probably dropped off a combine or service truck. I couldn't swerve to miss it, as there was a little traffic, so I just tried to get beside it a little. I came on out of town and stepped on my Cat's tail to get back to the field. About 10 minutes later, the front fender came up, the tire exploded, and shifted my whole hood to the passenger side!!! I barely missed a pickup, who saw it happen and started to brake hard, so I passed right in front of him, across the bar ditch, and out into a field about 100yds. Took me a minute to even get out of the truck!!! The whole truck felt like I was on ice. What a ride!! Cost me almost $1500 to get it all fixed!! Those tires only had @ 1000 miles on 'em. I'd just put them on to go on harvest, but that piece of metal had caught the inside of the tire, and I guess cut the sidewall. I didn't hear it or anything after I went over it, and it was laying in the road after I went by so I thought I had missed it... ... guess NOT!!! Broke me from driving fast in a truck, too!! Thought I was gonna have to buy a new trailer, as it was borrowed!!!

This is what I call a good discussion on the plug. Everyone is being real, not saying band and being against the law to use them. As you might guess, I use them with no problem. Any time you have to patch a tire you will be taking from it.

Yep. Any invasion into the casing will take away from it. But, if done right, it can last a long time, too. I've seen professional's screw one up, including myself. The biggest problem is that so many people are sue-happy. Most people in my country won't even patch a tire if the puncture is even within an inch of the sidwall. If it blows out, the customer thinks it's automatically your fault, even though you patched the tire at the customer's request, and they wouldn't even have a tire without your service!! It can have 10 nail holes in it, and they'll just say, "Well, you patched it, it's your fault it won't hold air!!" Makes me want to just say "Screw it!" and quit doing work for the public... ... and the closer it gets to 5pm, the dumber "they" get!!! After 5, the average IQ of the population goes negative in this area, as people get off work and turn off their brains!!!

 

[Bill Stockard]

Front brakes were disabled, we never ran front brakes up here until forced to in the '80s.

Don't want to be backing down an icy hill loaded with the steers locking up in case you didn't grab the trailer brake quite fast enough.



It was a 1973 GMC 9500 with a very loud 8V-71 Detroit, it had Saginaw power steering as I recall with the cylinder under the drag link.



Center point steering was almost unheard of up here.



Drove a 1970 White that had the Air-O-Matic steering assist. About 3 cycles of the steering would snap the maxi brakes on, then you had to build the air back up so you could go again..... :-laf



Beat nothing at all, barely.



Mike.

Yep, you're right about that, it did iust barely beat nothing... . the "good ol' days".



For years we ordered our road tractors using the order code for "Omit Front Brakes" until forced to put them on. And that reminds me of wedge brakes and early anti-lock brakes... it's a wonder we survived.



Bill

 

[mwilson]

and early anti-lock brakes... it's a wonder we survived.



Bill

Yes, you mean the 1980 Federally Mandated anti-lock brakes that wouldn't allow the relay valve to apply any air if there was a malfunction??? Default was NO BRAKES. I wasn't long getting those off a 1980 General I drove before I indeed was killed or killed someone else.



I believe that the School Departments that used Motorola 2-Ways discovered that keying the Mic made the ABS brakes not work, they were not long unhooking the ABS after they figured out what was causing it.



Good Stuff back then...



Mike.