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Just another two cents.
I have read, several times, what is says inside the TDR cover. We are paying our money for the magazine. Nothing is said about posting on this site. We are 8000 strong, great! There are not 8000 people posting here. There are most likely a lot of TDR memebers that do not even have computers. If the TDR membership fee paid for psoting they would be entitled to a partilal refund.
TDR lets registered members post. This is a good filter. It means that someone who has enough interest in our trucks to join the group probably has informatin we want to read. Kat is right look at the other boards. There are members who have no interest in the truck at all posting.
Lastly the owners of the website can set whatever guidelines they want. They do not even have to set them. They are the owners of the property, Website. I for one an glad that a democratic process seems to be working here. While the members do not own the website, we do provide all of the content that makes it work. I'm glad to have a place to give and get good information from good people, where we are all heard in a fair maner. Soapbox ends here.
Glad to have you back Evan
I have read, several times, what is says inside the TDR cover. We are paying our money for the magazine. Nothing is said about posting on this site. We are 8000 strong, great! There are not 8000 people posting here. There are most likely a lot of TDR memebers that do not even have computers. If the TDR membership fee paid for psoting they would be entitled to a partilal refund.
TDR lets registered members post. This is a good filter. It means that someone who has enough interest in our trucks to join the group probably has informatin we want to read. Kat is right look at the other boards. There are members who have no interest in the truck at all posting.
Lastly the owners of the website can set whatever guidelines they want. They do not even have to set them. They are the owners of the property, Website. I for one an glad that a democratic process seems to be working here. While the members do not own the website, we do provide all of the content that makes it work. I'm glad to have a place to give and get good information from good people, where we are all heard in a fair maner. Soapbox ends here.
Glad to have you back Evan
Just to make sure the info is right... ... there are 8000+ registered members on the website which means 8000+ have signed up for the website. However the actual membership of the TDR is at least 12,000 members I would say. As you stated some members aren't on the "net". I'll try to get a current figure on TDR members on and off the website combined.
Seems to me that there were over 17,000 TDR subscribers a year ago. Did we lose a few?
Doc
Doc
I for one am glad that the moderators are doing just that, moderating. This board is tops in my oppinion. If you don't think so, go to the stock/ super stock board and see what one old toot that has nothing better to do than stir up troulble, can do to a board who's moderator is afraid to moderate. I think you guys have our best interest at heart. Thanks
Steve St.Laurent
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The last time the subscription information was published was in October of last year and there were 15,000 subscribers - Kat was just guestimating based on the number of people registered for the forums. I'd like to send out a huge thank you to those that appreciate the effort that the moderators put in and have voiced it! It truly does make it easier to deal with the amount of work and stress involved.
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It truly does make it easier to deal with the amount of work and stress involved. -Steve
Change of tone? No not at all. I didn't start those forums to benifit me, I did it to help Carl. I gained nuthing out of it. I only bought one thing on group purchase ever (Carl's deal). Back then I didn't know the "whole" story, just as in this case the "users" don't know the whole story. I just assumed back then that I was getting the whole story, and later found out half of it was not true... . so thats when you saw Carl make his own boards because i wouldn't "change" the ones I had up to suit his needs, he wanted to compete with the TDR and I did not wish to. Also the website that is/was built wasn't made by him, it was made by another member. And actually now that I think about it, I pretty much stayed out of the threads on the TDR regards to that matter best I can remember. If you have an example by all means please email it to me. Even on "my" forums, i never once "badmouthed" the TDR or anything. Thats why me and Carl went our seperate ways.
These guidelines were published after that deal..... so just played by the rules since then. Again this would be the case were only a select few know the whole story, so not much else I can say, or needs to be said.
So I guess you could say I "changed my mind" when the whole story was revealed to me. Hence "my" forums died. End of story.
it's over??
I've been a member of this board since before it's affiliation with the TDR, and one thing I remember is about once a year there's a good scandal. This one, like the other's, lived up to the billing. Cheers to the moderator's for fighting a clean fight and cheers to evan for being a formidable foe. Looking forward to next year...
I've been a member of this board since before it's affiliation with the TDR, and one thing I remember is about once a year there's a good scandal. This one, like the other's, lived up to the billing. Cheers to the moderator's for fighting a clean fight and cheers to evan for being a formidable foe. Looking forward to next year...
Kat, I appreciate you putting forth an answer to my pointed question.
It does however, point out one thing. You said you changed your mind after you got the whole story. While TDR policy seems to feel that discussing any breach of the guideline is airing "dirty laundry", your statement proves why it may be a positive thing to let the membership know what is going on and why.
It does however, point out one thing. You said you changed your mind after you got the whole story. While TDR policy seems to feel that discussing any breach of the guideline is airing "dirty laundry", your statement proves why it may be a positive thing to let the membership know what is going on and why.
Max340... Problem is, if the moderators post that stuff, is it really fair to the individual, (this time Evan), when their posting privileges have been removed? They can not respond.
In this case, it was obvious that there was access to the site... read the very first post. But, I believe the moderators are correct.
Just like at work... if I counsel an employee on poor performance, should I post the findings on the bulletin board at work for the rest of the employees to read? Not in my opinion. That meeting was between me and the employee.
Hang im!!
I say HANG 'im - The only good deterrent for crime is a public lynching. We can do it at the next TDR Rally
Doc
I say HANG 'im - The only good deterrent for crime is a public lynching. We can do it at the next TDR Rally
Doc
Fair???
Rob, In this country, innocence is assumed until proof of guilt is provided. Fair to Evan would have been to not suspend priviledges until someone with the authority to do so had made a decision on due proof. It was obvious that the immediate response was to edit/remove the offending post. Suspension prior to a reasonable investigation of what went on is what starts the swirl of controversy.
Fair to the membership would have been to provide a reason why something was done, since allegedly we all like to see people held accountable for their actions. Further, a reasonable explaination resolves all the questions surrounding the action, reducing the uproar. I have to ask then, once something has been done(by management), what is the problem with a fair, truthful concise report of what happened and why? I also have to ask, if the moderators have to fall back on, "we're not sure whats going on, but we've taken action," have things been done in the proper order?
The issue of the hullabaloo surrounding such incidents could be addressed by not taking action UNTIL a decision had been reached. No action, no public situation, no uproar, no petitions, no wild-eyed accusations on lengthy threads.
This is not an employer/employee relationship, so there are differences, but I'll go with your example. You pay an employee for certain things to be done, and rules which are to be adhered. That relationship is private, and should not be discussed with others. However, do you suspend the employee and THEN call him in to talk? Do you make a pre-judgement THEN rescind it? DO you do anything to which the other employees can react prior to you talking with the employee in question?
Then, on top of it all, would you as an "employee" accept such treatment when you are paying to be part of a group?
Kat, my question to you was based on the assumption that you had acted on better info than was given to most of the TDR membership. As such, I knew you had a better chance of making an informed decision on the GP issue. If the membership were given the same benefit, perhaps many of the "scandals" could be avoided.
Ok, EMD, time to roll yer eyes again. 
Rob, In this country, innocence is assumed until proof of guilt is provided. Fair to Evan would have been to not suspend priviledges until someone with the authority to do so had made a decision on due proof. It was obvious that the immediate response was to edit/remove the offending post. Suspension prior to a reasonable investigation of what went on is what starts the swirl of controversy.
Fair to the membership would have been to provide a reason why something was done, since allegedly we all like to see people held accountable for their actions. Further, a reasonable explaination resolves all the questions surrounding the action, reducing the uproar. I have to ask then, once something has been done(by management), what is the problem with a fair, truthful concise report of what happened and why? I also have to ask, if the moderators have to fall back on, "we're not sure whats going on, but we've taken action," have things been done in the proper order?
The issue of the hullabaloo surrounding such incidents could be addressed by not taking action UNTIL a decision had been reached. No action, no public situation, no uproar, no petitions, no wild-eyed accusations on lengthy threads.
This is not an employer/employee relationship, so there are differences, but I'll go with your example. You pay an employee for certain things to be done, and rules which are to be adhered. That relationship is private, and should not be discussed with others. However, do you suspend the employee and THEN call him in to talk? Do you make a pre-judgement THEN rescind it? DO you do anything to which the other employees can react prior to you talking with the employee in question?
Then, on top of it all, would you as an "employee" accept such treatment when you are paying to be part of a group?
Kat, my question to you was based on the assumption that you had acted on better info than was given to most of the TDR membership. As such, I knew you had a better chance of making an informed decision on the GP issue. If the membership were given the same benefit, perhaps many of the "scandals" could be avoided.
Ok, EMD, time to roll yer eyes again.
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Max340... a short response for you...
1. innocence is assumed until proof of guilt is provided... Evan was posting ads for his shop. Guilt was proven.
2. since allegedly we all like to see people held accountable for their actions. ... From reading and re-reading the posts here, I am not so sure about this one.
3. However, do you suspend the employee and THEN call him in to talk? ... yes, if further damage can be done while investigating. Happens in my job all of the time. I'm sure in others, as well. Cashier at a bank is caught/suspected of an error. Does the bank allow them to continue making that error while investigating? How many errors can a company sustain?
Also, you will note that Evan himself started this thread... not the moderators. They could have all kept it amongst themselves til Patton handled it when he returned from vacation. Evan was looking for support, before he knew of the outcome.
Okay, you're right, I didn't keep my response all that short.
PS: this is my last post on this thread... if you want to discuss it further, please email me.
1. innocence is assumed until proof of guilt is provided... Evan was posting ads for his shop. Guilt was proven.
2. since allegedly we all like to see people held accountable for their actions. ... From reading and re-reading the posts here, I am not so sure about this one.
3. However, do you suspend the employee and THEN call him in to talk? ... yes, if further damage can be done while investigating. Happens in my job all of the time. I'm sure in others, as well. Cashier at a bank is caught/suspected of an error. Does the bank allow them to continue making that error while investigating? How many errors can a company sustain?
Also, you will note that Evan himself started this thread... not the moderators. They could have all kept it amongst themselves til Patton handled it when he returned from vacation. Evan was looking for support, before he knew of the outcome.
Okay, you're right, I didn't keep my response all that short.
PS: this is my last post on this thread... if you want to discuss it further, please email me.
This has to be one of the "Most Viewed Posts" here at the TDR.
With over 3,752+ views, and 76+ replies, this was a Hot Topic.
I'm Glad Evan was Suspended.
I'm Glad Evan was also let back into the BB.
That's my two opinions, and I'm stickin' with 'em
Now, If I could figure out to make 350Hp with only $900
MerrickNJr
With over 3,752+ views, and 76+ replies, this was a Hot Topic.
I'm Glad Evan was Suspended.
I'm Glad Evan was also let back into the BB.
That's my two opinions, and I'm stickin' with 'em
Now, If I could figure out to make 350Hp with only $900
MerrickNJr
Merrick, send me the $900. and I'll put together a package and mail it to you the first chance I get
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